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Ricochet

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The only crime I see is the bait & switch scheme.

Honestly, I don't even believe most of the cops find prostitution morally reprehensible on a personable level. These are the guys that'll jerk off to porn just like your average schmo when they get home. Given a choice of going after armed drug dealers, gangsters, thieves, and murderers (who could very well put the cops' lives in danger) vs. going after daintly, scantily-clad women and the average middle-age johns who won't put up much of a fight, what do you expect them to choose? They put up a front of upholding law and justice because they know the "moral majority" will eat it up when actually they're more of a coward than they lead you to believe.

This is small potato anyway. We know that prostitution will never go out of style. Polititions, sport stars, movie actors, musicians, doctors, lawyers, and other highly paid individuals keep the industry going. Just as another poster mentioned, the same politician on one hand spouting anti-prostitition, pro-marriage blabber will on the other hand see high price escorts on the side. Who else have the resource and the time?

 

imported_hscorpio

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Originally posted by: digiram
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That's a good point. Perhaps, if it were legal there could be some gov't regulation on it that would ensure that the practice is safe.

Once again, however, this is something that I, personally, do not condone.

Prostitution is legal in most of Nevada. They have well regulated brothels where the women must take weekly std tests and monthly hiv tests. It is safe. Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single brothel prostitute has ever tested positive for HIV.

List of Legal Brothels in Nevada (wikipedia)
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
The prostitution was being run out of her suburban home. I would definetly not want that sort of thing existing in my neighborhood, especially if I had a family.

We all know prostitution exists, but at least keep underground where the filthy people who support it belong as well.

They wouldn't do it in suburban neighborhoods if it was legal, nimrod. They do it there because they can't open a storefront in a properly zoned area. Jesus, you fcking moral crusaders don't even understand you're your own worst enemies.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: manowar821

I know, I understand that it's hard. But if they can't get some by being intriguing to women, why should they get to just pay for it? That defeats the purpose of dating and such.

Just jack off, it's easier, free, and safe.

#1 Jacking off is not nearly the same as sex.
#2 There is no reason you have to abide by social constructs and rules such as dating before sex. Your thought process is so bizarre. Do you let people tell you when to piss, even?

I'm done with this thread.

Good, you're kind of jerk.

At least he's not a moron like you.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
How about we post our pics for this reason only, just to see who is willing to put their face out there while proudly defending prostitution.

Any takers?

Hi, I'm nakedfrog, and I approve of prostitution

Im not surprised here.


Anymore?

Wow, you sure are a great debater. Great comeback. :roll:

"Naaa naaa, you're ugly."

You are definitely the premier loser in this thread krustykrome.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: manowar821

I know, I understand that it's hard. But if they can't get some by being intriguing to women, why should they get to just pay for it? That defeats the purpose of dating and such.

Just jack off, it's easier, free, and safe.

#1 Jacking off is not nearly the same as sex.
#2 There is no reason you have to abide by social constructs and rules such as dating before sex. Your thought process is so bizarre. Do you let people tell you when to piss, even?

I'm done with this thread.

Good, you're kind of jerk.

At least he's not a moron like you.
Read the thread before you call him names;)
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: manowar821
WOW! You've got my attention, but not because I'm interested in your side... You've got my attention now, because you're an F-ING MORON.

READ BACKWARDS A BIT, and you'd realize I don't fit your christian stereotype.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but now I have to.

I'm an atheist. I hate organized religion. I hate fascism. I'm part of AFA. I'm a HARDCORE supporter of gay rights, despite being straight. I'm anti-nationalism, anti-imperialism, anti-sheeple and anti-racism.

I'm also anti-prostitution. BOO FREEKING HOO, so I don't support government green-lighted solicitation of sex. Did I insult anyone here because they disagree with me? No sir. But I'm going to go ahead and insult you, because you're an idiot.

Now kindly, asshole. GTFO.

You say you hate fascism, but you obviously adore it. You want nothing more than to tell other people how to live, fascist. Benito and Adolf would be proud.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: manowar821
WOW! You've got my attention, but not because I'm interested in your side... You've got my attention now, because you're an F-ING MORON.

READ BACKWARDS A BIT, and you'd realize I don't fit your christian stereotype.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but now I have to.

I'm an atheist. I hate organized religion. I hate fascism. I'm part of AFA. I'm a HARDCORE supporter of gay rights, despite being straight. I'm anti-nationalism, anti-imperialism, anti-sheeple and anti-racism.

I'm also anti-prostitution. BOO FREEKING HOO, so I don't support government green-lighted solicitation of sex. Did I insult anyone here because they disagree with me? No sir. But I'm going to go ahead and insult you, because you're an idiot.

Now kindly, asshole. GTFO.

You say you hate fascism, but you obviously adore it. You want nothing more than to tell other people how to live, fascist. Benito and Adolf would be proud.

Hehe... halfway there!
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: manowar821

I know, I understand that it's hard. But if they can't get some by being intriguing to women, why should they get to just pay for it? That defeats the purpose of dating and such.

Just jack off, it's easier, free, and safe.

#1 Jacking off is not nearly the same as sex.
#2 There is no reason you have to abide by social constructs and rules such as dating before sex. Your thought process is so bizarre. Do you let people tell you when to piss, even?

I'm done with this thread.

Good, you're kind of jerk.

At least he's not a moron like you.
Read the thread before you call him names;)

Yeah, I got to his partial recanting of his views. He's still an asshole.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Yeah, I got to his partial recanting of his views. He's still an asshole.
He was already taken to task for his inconsistent views and irrational statements though, and for the first time I can remember on ATOT came out understanding more than he did at the beginning;)
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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What IS harmful is where the money gained from such services is funnelled to, supporting other criminal activities. Or prostitution itself is a motivator for importing sex slaves (sometimes children too) from other countries. In that case, people are indirectly supporting criminal activities.

 

Ricochet

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Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
What IS harmful is where the money gained from such services is funnelled to, supporting other criminal activities. Or prostitution itself is a motivator for importing sex slaves (sometimes children too) from other countries. In that case, people are indirectly supporting criminal activities.

That happens more when prostitution is illegal and kept underground. Once it is regulated you can bet most of these criminal elements would greatly reduce. One big advantage the public would get is a big tax revenue that has so far been untapped.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

She's working in the service industry, why should it be illegal?

Who is the victim?

the prostitute.

Says who?

Exactly. If she is a consenting adult, then in my opinion there's no crime and nothing morally wrong.

It is wrong to legislate morality for its own sake. Unless there is a clear victim, there should be no crime.


Actually, I agree with both sides of this 'who is the victim' argument. In some cases, you have the high-price call girls who are well-paid, taken care of, and provide a service that they are very good at (They can accompany you to high class affairs, are good in social situations, and perform very well afterwards...). I wouldn't consider them victims. Then, there are the Jodie Foster 'Taxi Driver' prostitutes, who are under-age runaways pulled in by the wrong crowd, convinced they have no other option in life, etc...frequently abused and exploited by pimps and Johns. It's hard for me to argue that in the latter case, this really is the prostitute's 'choice.'

Sorry, but that lame argument can be made against a plethora of jobs where workers are exploited by their employers, not just prostitution.

What we're arguing isn't the morality of rich prostitutes versus poor ones; we're arguing the morality of being able to sell sex as a service.

in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
Actually, it really is that simple.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zinfamous
in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
Actually, it really is that simple.
Agreed. What is the complication?
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zinfamous
in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
Actually, it really is that simple.
Agreed. What is the complication?


Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)

I just don't see why this is 'special' to prostitution.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Flyback
Originally posted by: manowar821
Stupid sluts.

Sluts because you aren't getting any of it?

Would you rather them on welfare?

haha, here we go.

You're actually going to defend her position? Here's what I say to suburban and ghetto prostitutes. GET A REAL JOB.

It's pathetic and disgusting, and if they can't figure out any way to make money besides using their body, then they should probably say hello to Mr. Natural Selection.

This is coming from a "dirty liberal" too. Prostitution is pathetic, so is stripping.

Oh, and lastly, I'm getting plenty, from my respectable hard working fiancee.

so no one else wanted her?

Anyway, anyone catch her mom was also in on this. Interesting.

Personally I have nothing against prostitution, I have never needed to use such a service, but I don't see where the problem lies if it's done via in/outcall rather than street corners.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
She's working in the service industry, why should it be illegal?

Who is the victim?

Why should it be legal?

Because you have it backwards.

Why should sandwiches be legal? Why should television be legal?

Because paying to get a sandwich is not intrinsically immoral, paying to get p*ssy is.

Why would you want to legalize disgusting behavior?

whose morals? whose to say what's disgusting behavior? What about vegetarian's would think eating a meat-based sandwich should be outlawed?

You realize being with a prostitute is no different than a girl/boyfriend other than you are paying for the act rather than the company. A lot of people who do this thing aren't doing acrobatics and non-vanilla stuff.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
She's working in the service industry, why should it be illegal?

Who is the victim?

Why should it be legal?

Because you have it backwards.

Why should sandwiches be legal? Why should television be legal?

Because paying to get a sandwich is not intrinsically immoral, paying to get p*ssy is.

Why would you want to legalize disgusting behavior?

Immoral by your standards?
And your stupid ass Bible thumping idiot flunkies that must beleive in some idiotic idea of some holy ghost and heaven?

I dont freakign think so...

Seperation of Church and State... not everyone is a moronic Bible thumping R tard..

Go to Europe.. and they were far more religious than most of our country and its legal and regulated..

Its not up to you people to tell others whats right and wrong to do with thier bodies..
or whom the can or cannot do it with..

If Lonely or Unsatisfied Joe wants to pay for a blow job who the hell are you to say he cant?

WOW! You've got my attention, but not because I'm interested in your side... You've got my attention now, because you're an F-ING MORON.

READ BACKWARDS A BIT, and you'd realize I don't fit your christian stereotype.

I wasn't going to bring this up, but now I have to.

I'm an atheist. I hate organized religion. I hate fascism. I'm part of AFA. I'm a HARDCORE supporter of gay rights, despite being straight. I'm anti-nationalism, anti-imperialism, anti-sheeple and anti-racism.

I'm also anti-prostitution. BOO FREEKING HOO, so I don't support government green-lighted solicitation of sex. Did I insult anyone here because they disagree with me? No sir. But I'm going to go ahead and insult you, because you're an idiot.

Now kindly, asshole. GTFO.

And who made you lord god king bufu? who are you to judge what a man and a woman do behind closed doors?
Hmmm?

You may call me an Asshole.. But hey... Im the one that beleieve in live and let live.. until it affects me... and you radical religious or no religious buttholes that think just becasue YOU dont think something is ok.. everyone else has to be punsihed for it...

Now protitution and drugs..
Soon Violence and Video games..

Alright man, you're like 13 years old but I'll throw you one last piece of my mind before I forget this conversation between us happened.

I'm not for controlling people's lives. I would never take away the right to play violent video games or whatever and I'm all for personal freedoms. I'm sure you don't support VIOLENCE, that was a typo on your part, correct? But I'm not going to support LEGALIZATION of prostitution.

I'm not exactly happy that it's outlawed completely, in fact I'm actually a bit more curious as to why it IS completely outlawed due to the REAL discussion I had with the other guys here. That was before you flew off the handle, and I responded in kind.

That being said, I'm done here.

I actually came away from this discussion with a piece of understanding of why the others here are not quick to ban prostitution.

But you? You're not even trying to argue here, you're just throwing out insults. I'm sure you're trying to come off as "revolutionary" and "open minded" but you're not. You just sound childish.

The one argument that had ANY sort of relevance from you was "who are you to judge what a man and woman do behind closed doors?", but that has already been said to me, and far more eloquently. Because of that eloquence, I actually got what they were saying, and rethought my side. Good attempt at shabbily rehashing an old argument, though.

Like I said before, come back with you're own, REAL arguments.

It's outlawed like how buying beer is outlawed on sunday morning in many places.

It's about religion and personal morals entering the arena of things that should be decided on based outside those items.

There are tons of sex laws that can't be actively enforced but exist even against married couples. In certain states anything but missionary in your OWN bed is illegal.
 

SSSnail

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)
If it's regulated, the latter of your situation won't be that much of an issue simply because it will now fall into a niche market. Much akin to the prospect of legalizing marijuana and still have people selling crack. Pretty simple actually.

 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zinfamous
in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
Actually, it really is that simple.
Agreed. What is the complication?


Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)

And guess what, decriminalizing/legalizing it will remove 99.5% of the "seedy" business of pimps, underage girls, runaways, STD carriers, etc. Once you introduce legitimization and regulation, things will change drastically.

That like saying making medicine a recognized practice would have been horrible for the public's health, because of all the snake-oil "doctors" that existed in the early days.

And how many people do you know that have been shot and killed because they had a 6-pack of beer in the trunk?

Even a "closeted internet intellectual" can run circles around your arguments.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: zinfamous
in what other jobs do employers exploit their workers to such degrees? enlighten me.

From what I've read, this discussion is not simply about the morality of selling sex, and the issue is certainly not that simple.
Actually, it really is that simple.
Agreed. What is the complication?


Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)

And guess what, decriminalizing/legalizing it will remove 99.5% of the "seedy" business of pimps, underage girls, runaways, STD carriers, etc. Once you introduce legitimization and regulation, things will change drastically.

That like saying making medicine a recognized practice would have been horrible for the public's health, because of all the snake-oil "doctors" that existed in the early days.

And how many people do you know that have been shot and killed because they had a 6-pack of beer in the trunk?

Even a "closeted internet intellectual" can run circles around your arguments.


so, it sounds like you actually agree with my argument? As the statement bolded is exactly what I'm saying...

Do you actually read others' posts, or are you just antagonistic for no reason? :p

I honestly am confused by your last two comparisons though, and how they apply here
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: SSSnail
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Let me clarify. I agree with the majority of you that the sex trade isn't the moral cess pool that others want us to think that it is. I also agree that in many cases, prostitution is a victimless crime. However, not all cases are this simple. Like I mentioned earlier, you have professional, high-price call girls that made a choice to sell sex b/c they're really freaking good at it, and can make tons of cash. It's a high-demand industry. Fine. But there are also the cases of underage, runaway street-girls being forced into prostitution by an overbearing pimp who manipulates them into thinking this is the only choice they have. Even underage girls who are coerced by a family friend, relative, neighbor, whatever...into doing something they may not completely understand.

So yeah, it's not as simple as you closeted internet intellectuals want to think it is.

Regulate it like the chronic, that's all I'm talking about. ;)
If it's regulated, the latter of your situation won't be that much of an issue simply because it will now fall into a niche market. Much akin to the prospect of legalizing marijuana and still have people selling crack. Pretty simple actually.


Ok, so like Gunslinger, you agree with me. awesome.