Cops taze deaf guy for not following their orders

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Meh, people overreact to all this tazing.
It may not be a pleasant thing, but it's very short, generally has no long term side effects, and it's quick.
About the deaf guy, it sucks to be him .... the cops could have, and perhaps should have, used their brains a bit more.

But ... I'd rather read about people getting tazed then people really getting hurt ...

its not the fact that a person got tazed. Tazers are a safer alternative to clubs or shooting someone.

the fact the guy was in HIS house, NAKED and deaf. the cops resort to tazing instead of doing any police work.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Aharami
this just reaffirms my opinion that cops are getting too lazy.

maybe more cautious?

 

[frostedflakes]

Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

exactly, it's easy to put yourself in hypothetical situtations and know exactly what you do. It's obvious what he should have done. I'm sure being def made it much worse, but he reacted off fear. When you're that scared you don't think.

I worked at a Liquor Store and was robbed at gun point, up until that day I had envisioned if I ever got robbed I would grab our gun first and throw a sick UFC style submission on the dude until the cops showed up. Funny enough when it actually happened I did nothing while I watched my life flash before my eyes. Fear completely changed my whole plan.

I don't like cops much, so if I was this def dude I probably would have figured I was going to get shot.

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

Agreed! Who knows what he had under that towel! I mean, I bring a completely flat, invisible gun into the shower with me every time.

Maybe if I were a cop, if the guy was just sitting there looking scared and not moving toward me, I'd avoid tazing him for a second to try to figure out what the situation was first. But you know, that's me. I'm a rebel.

 

[buck]

:laugh:

Originally posted by: alien42
"doh tay me bro"

thats deaf speak

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

 

[Sqube]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

 

[zanejohnson]

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Meh, people overreact to all this tazing.
It may not be a pleasant thing, but it's very short, generally has no long term side effects, and it's quick.
About the deaf guy, it sucks to be him .... the cops could have, and perhaps should have, used their brains a bit more.

But ... I'd rather read about people getting tazed then people really getting hurt ...

have YOU ever been tased?

its NOT a pleasant experience. i'd rather get pepper sprayed.

 

[frostedflakes]

I just think that 90% of the people here would react the same way if put in this situation. If I was told to go to an house to investigate shots fired and found a guy yelling and flailing around, I'd think he was on drugs. I'd also be fearful for my safety and the safety of those in the area, and would want to subdue the man as quickly as possible.

Of course not to say there aren't plenty of crooked cops out there, but this case just seems like an unfortunate misunderstanding.

Sqube: According to the article they couldn't make out if anything was in his hands, sounds like because he was waving them around a lot.

 

[michaelsslave]

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

he could easily of hidden a gun(pistol) in between hes cheeks and the cops would of never known unless they looked at hes ass

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

Without seeing the layout of the room, where his hands were (both of them), and other facts, I wouldn't be able to give you an accurate answer but just because I can't give an accurate answer doesn't mean that it's as clear cut as you would like to make it.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
http://www.kwch.com/global/story.asp?s=7446220

by Michael Schwanke

(Wichita, KS)

Donnell Williams had just gotten out of the bath tub, wearing only a towel around his waist, when he turned the corner to see guns pointing right at him.

"I ain't never been so scared," says Williams.

Police forced entry into Williams home while responding to a shooting, but it turned out to be a false call. They had no idea at the time the call wasn't real and that Williams is hearing impaired. Without his hearing aid he is basically deaf.

"I kept going to my ear yelling that I was scared. I can't hear! I can't hear!"

Officers were worried about their own safety because at the time it appeared Williams was refusing to obey their commands to show his hands. That's when they shot him with a Taser.

Deputy Chief Robert Lee of the Wichita Police Department says, "This one occurred on the worst of calls, that being a shooting. The first few minutes getting control of the scene are very, very important."

Once the facts were all sorted out, officers repeatedly apologized to Williams. Police wish it never happened, but with the information they had at the time, their choices were limited.

"Do I wish there would have been some way they were notified in advance this gentleman was hearing impaired? I certainly do. No one is happy with the way it worked out," says Lee.

Williams was not hurt in the incident. Police say the shooting call came from a cell phone but they still don't know who made it or why.

The case is being reviewed by the department.

Poor bastard can't even hear someone breaking into his house, much less police orders. Of course they apologized so it's a ok.

Reminds me of an episode of TJ Hooker where he is chasing a guy and the guy sees the Shat and reaches into his pocket. Shat shoots and kills him, and when he walks up on him the guy was pulling out his "I am deaf" card.

seems stuff like this happens around Deaf schools a lot. i remember reading about a kid at Gallaudet University (deaf college) was walking back to the dorm when a officer yelled at him to stop. the kid continued walking and the cop shot him.

was a big shit storm over it.

a lot or once?

 

[zanejohnson]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I just think that 90% of the people here would react the same way if put in this situation. If I was told to go to an house to investigate shots fired and found a guy yelling and flailing around, I'd think he was on drugs. I'd also be fearful for my safety and the safety of those in the area, and would want to subdue the man as quickly as possible.

Of course not to say there aren't plenty of crooked cops out there, but this case just seems like an unfortunate misunderstanding.

Sqube: According to the article they couldn't make out if anything was in his hands, sounds like because he was waving them around a lot.

what drug makes you do that? i want some.....

maybe if he was drunk.

 

[zanejohnson]

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

he could easily of hidden a gun(pistol) in between hes cheeks and the cops would of never known unless they looked at hes ass

it would take some fricking TALENT to be able to hold a gun between your asscheeks.

 

[AMCRambler]

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Looking at it from the cops perspective, they don't know if this guy's got a gun in the bathroom or what. So he's standing just outside the door, obviously unarmed but all of a sudden starts acting squirrely and yelling like a deaf guy would. If I'm that cop and I don't know he's deaf I'm gonna think he's on something and it would make me even more suspicious of him. He makes a sudden move in any direction I'd probably tase him.
If he had a gun in the bathroom all he's gotta do is dive in there and grab it and suddenly the situation just got a lot more dangerous for me. I'd rather possibly subject an innocent person to 5 seconds of extreme discomfort than allow a perp the time to grab a gun to shoot at me or another officer.
Now what if they didn't have tasers? I'd bet that dude would have been shot and possibly killed were that the case. I think the situation would have been a lot worse with out the option of a taser.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: BurnItDwn
Meh, people overreact to all this tazing.
It may not be a pleasant thing, but it's very short, generally has no long term side effects, and it's quick.
About the deaf guy, it sucks to be him .... the cops could have, and perhaps should have, used their brains a bit more.

But ... I'd rather read about people getting tazed then people really getting hurt ...

have YOU ever been tased?

its NOT a pleasant experience. i'd rather get pepper sprayed.

I was thinking the same thing, I remember on Jackass when Johnny Knoxville got Tased, was one of the only times I remember him complaining and not laughing about it. Dude did some stupid shit on that show but typically would chuckle after. When he got tased he was like "fuck this I'm NOT doing that again" and looked a little upset.

I mean they dropped pool balls off a 3 story roof onto his sack (nutts) and he wasn't even that fased. I fear the Taser

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Man, screw this. The next cop I see, I am making his life hell. Lord knows I have the free time to do it. Every single day there's a new thread in here about cops doing something horrible and stupid.

go read the chicago tribunes page. heh


there are like 8 links of articles. Also one has a link to a blogg by a bunch of cops where they are planning to start ticketing tribune vehicles whenever they can.

Why don't you provide a link so that in a day or two when the links on their site are gone they'll still be here? I don't see anything about the blog

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Man, screw this. The next cop I see, I am making his life hell. Lord knows I have the free time to do it. Every single day there's a new thread in here about cops doing something horrible and stupid.

go read the chicago tribunes page. heh


there are like 8 links of articles. Also one has a link to a blogg by a bunch of cops where they are planning to start ticketing tribune vehicles whenever they can.

Why don't you provide a link so that in a day or two when the links on their site are gone they'll still be here? I don't see anything about the blog

the blog was in teh comments section. sorry about that.

there are way to many links. all of them kinda intersting.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: rezinn
If some cops are pointing weapons at you, do you:
a) scream at them and wave your arms
b) kneel or lay down and show them your hands

Cops still shouldn't have tazed him but usually both parties could prevent it. You don't want to be forced to rely on the police to know the exact situation, it's clear they don't.

lets see. you are deaf so you cant hear them brake into the house or yelling. so you walk out after a nice shower.

you see someoen standing there what are you going to do? lay down and show them your hands or scream and jump?

Id screen, jump, and prob shit myself. Those cops should have not tazed the guy. They could most likely CLEARLY see he was without weapon.

 

[michaelsslave]

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

he could easily of hidden a gun(pistol) in between hes cheeks and the cops would of never known unless they looked at hes ass

it would take some fricking TALENT to be able to hold a gun between your asscheeks.

not really, have you actually ever tried to flex your cheeks and see how strong they are.................i have

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

he could easily of hidden a gun(pistol) in between hes cheeks and the cops would of never known unless they looked at hes ass

it would take some fricking TALENT to be able to hold a gun between your asscheeks.

not really, hve you actually ever tried to fex your cheeks and see how strong they are.................i have

ok WAY to much information!

 

[Juno]

cops...:thumbsdown:

 

[michaelsslave]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: zanejohnson

Originally posted by: michaelsslave

Originally posted by: Sqube

Originally posted by: glutenberg

Originally posted by: Vonkhan

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Can you put yourselves in their shoes and honestly say you wouldn't do the same thing though? In the heat of the moment you have to think fast, you don't have the luxury of sitting in front of a computer with all the information laid out before you and plenty of time to figure out the best way to go about handling the situation. Based on the circumstances and what they knew (or didn't know might be more accurate) at the time I don't think their reaction was unreasonable.

yeh dude, I see a black dude dude in a bath towel pointing to his ear and my first thought is ...

HE'S COMING RIGHT AT US, TAZE HIM !!!

:roll:

Is it just me or has everyone overlooked the fact that they were responding to a shooting call? You guys act like they stormed the guy's house for no reason and just decided to tase him.

Explain to me where a naked man hides a gun. Seriously. I'm not even exaggerating. I know they were reporting to a shooting, but when a man is naked in front of you with no gun in sight, explain to me where the fuck he hides it.

When you can explain that to me, I won't have a problem with this tasing.

he could easily of hidden a gun(pistol) in between hes cheeks and the cops would of never known unless they looked at hes ass

it would take some fricking TALENT to be able to hold a gun between your asscheeks.

not really, hve you actually ever tried to fex your cheeks and see how strong they are.................i have

ok WAY to much information!

hey you wanted a totally plausible scenario