Cops presses pregnant woman into Ground over ID

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gradoman

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And yet the only one playing the race card was the black woman. Black woman sure looked like the instigator to me the way she talked and responded.

The cop did not even come close to "slamming down" the woman like the article claims. But that is typical.

So because you don't like her tone, it's okay to wring her arm around, drop her forcefully to the ground on her front (she was pregnant) and arrest her. Despite the fact that she does not have to provide an ID. Despite the fact that the COP said there was no crime.

Instead of giving her the couple of minutes to make her call and trying to de-escalate the situation, the cop made it into a big f'ing deal. The guy could have said, look I'm just going to take both of your names to document this incident or whatever and let you both go because there's no evidence of a crime. Maybe you end up spending a bit more time waiting for both parties to cool off, but at least then you don't have to make it on the news for your douchebaggery.

Alas, cop sympathizers will sympathize.
 

Mai72

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And yet the only one playing the race card was the black woman. Black woman sure looked like the instigator to me the way she talked and responded.

The cop did not even come close to "slamming down" the woman like the article claims. But that is typical.

Bullsh*t! The cop clearly treated the blonde woman differently than the black lady. Why didn't he ask for the blonde lady's name? Why didn't he ask for her identification?

The problem with most cops is they have this chip on their shoulders. They absolutely hate people that know the laws, because they can't force them to do what they want them to do. This black lady didn't have to tell the cop her name. She hadn't committed a crime. What's the offense? Being black? That's the offense.

I hope she sues and becomes a millionaire.
 

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So because you don't like her tone, it's okay to wring her arm around, drop her forcefully to the ground on her front (she was pregnant) and arrest her. Despite the fact that she does not have to provide an ID. Despite the fact that the COP said there was no crime.

Instead of giving her the couple of minutes to make her call and trying to de-escalate the situation, the cop made it into a big f'ing deal. The guy could have said, look I'm just going to take both of your names to document this incident or whatever and let you both go because there's no evidence of a crime. Maybe you end up spending a bit more time waiting for both parties to cool off, but at least then you don't have to make it on the news for your douchebaggery.

Alas, cop sympathizers will sympathize.

Once again since several of you can't seem to grasp the simple concept that I did not say the cops did right, or wrong. But like always resort to personal attacks. What I said was true, the only person to play the race card, was the black woman. The news made it out to be a much bigger deal that it was, there was no "slamming down". But that is what the media does, shines cops in the worst possible light. To me it was pretty obvious who the instigator was, the black woman. You can tell by the way both women talk, and she was in the wrong. She didn't like being told to move. She got very heated and argumentative. That being said, the cops could have, and should have handled it better. It never should have ended up in an arrest.

You claim the cop should have just taken down their names, well the black woman was argumentative and didn't want to give her name, so how do you think he could have done that? Should have just ran her tag, got her name and made a report no matter if she wanted one or not. You think a cop should just wait while she makes a phone call? I don't, that's idiotic. He did say there was no crime and that seems clear to me as well. Should have just been a warning, talking to, whatever and been on the way.

Now, let what I said actually since in. Take off your blinders and put away your agenda. And the law is not the same in every state, in some you must produce a form of ID when requested. If the cop wanted to be a real ass, he could have let her drive off, then pulled her over. Then by CA law she would have had to given him her ID. But as it was, there was no crime. No vandalism, no assault, no anything, so she didn't have to give the ID. It would have made things so much easier, but she didn't want that.

Bullsh*t! The cop clearly treated the blonde woman differently than the black lady. Why didn't he ask for the blonde lady's name? Why didn't he ask for her identification?

The problem with most cops is they have this chip on their shoulders. They absolutely hate people that know the laws, because they can't force them to do what they want them to do. This black lady didn't have to tell the cop her name. She hadn't committed a crime. What's the offense? Being black? That's the offense.

I hope she sues and becomes a millionaire.

You're so disillusion it's pretty sad. Not even worth explaining. I'll leave you cop haters to enjoy this thread. I'm done. Like I said, must be slow because the usual suspects aren't out creating threads about cop abuse. And they sure aren't creating threads about cops being killed by thugs every day. No, that would go against all cops are bad.
 
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CitizenKain

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You're so disillusion it's pretty sad. Not even worth explaining. I'll leave you cop haters to enjoy this thread. I'm done. Like I said, must be slow because the usual suspects aren't out creating threads about cop abuse. And they sure aren't creating threads about cops being killed by thugs every day. No, that would go against all cops are bad.

Well, are you too stupid or lazy to make that thread?

Also lol at you thinking cops are killed everyday, that is unbelievably stupid. Especially by "thugs". Unless you consider heart attacks thugs. Or getting in a car accident. Or 9/11. Everything is THUGS!
 

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Actually the police may have been in their right to arrest and search her. There was a California supreme court case on a similar issue with someone riding a bicycle the wrong way. They failed to show ID was arrested and had their belongings searched. The courts upheld the arrest saying the police needed to be able to identify the person to give them a ticket.
 

DCal430

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Those saying he violated her 4th amendment right are wrong. The California and U.S supreme courts hve already upheld searches like this.
 

Meghan54

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Actually the police may have been in their right to arrest and search her. There was a California supreme court case on a similar issue with someone riding a bicycle the wrong way. They failed to show ID was arrested and had their belongings searched. The courts upheld the arrest saying the police needed to be able to identify the person to give them a ticket.


That's totally different than just asking for ID when there is NO CRIME. The bicycle rider had committed a traffic offense, so had to provide ID.

The California Peace Officers Legal Sourcebook maintains that failure to identify oneself does not constitute a violation of California Penal Code §148(a)(1), resisting, delaying, or obstructing a peace officer. Unlike Nevada and other states, California does not have a statute mandating that a detainee identify himself, and that obligation cannot be read into Penal Code section 148.
 

DCal430

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That's totally different than just asking for ID when there is NO CRIME. The bicycle rider had committed a traffic offense, so had to provide ID.

The California Peace Officers Legal Sourcebook maintains that failure to identify oneself does not constitute a violation of California Penal Code §148(a)(1), resisting, delaying, or obstructing a peace officer. Unlike Nevada and other states, California does not have a statute mandating that a detainee identify himself, and that obligation cannot be read into Penal Code section 148.

The person was involved in a vehicular accident. They required to submit to a police report. Your quote refers to randomly asking people for ID.

She was driving a vehicle involved in an automobile accident. She has no reason to refuse to give her drivers license to the officer investing the accident.
 
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She was driving a vehicle involved in an automobile accident. She has no reason to refuse to give her drivers license to the officer investing the accident.

I didn't see anything about her being in an accident.
 

mizzou

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the comments in threads like this is the absolute gutter of ATOT.

People celebrating, minimizing, and justifying deaths and good deeds of our peacekeepers. You all would have been the same ones spitting on the soldiers returning from service in Vietnam.

Everyone fucks up sometimes and sometimes things that look like what you think it is aint it. Nobody on this earth is perfect, so move on and deal with it if you are so hell bent on sitting still and bitching about how the sky is falling.

Did you run out of gay weddings and soldier funerals to protest? Is that where you get time to justify the broad hatred of peole who wear a uniform?
 

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the comments in threads like this is the absolute gutter of ATOT.

People celebrating, minimizing, and justifying deaths and good deeds of our peacekeepers. You all would have been the same ones spitting on the soldiers returning from service in Vietnam.

Everyone fucks up sometimes and sometimes things that look like what you think it is aint it. Nobody on this earth is perfect, so move on and deal with it if you are so hell bent on sitting still and bitching about how the sky is falling.

Did you run out of gay weddings and soldier funerals to protest? Is that where you get time to justify the broad hatred of peole who wear a uniform?

Point those posts out to me in this thread, I can't find any.
 

mizzou

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Point those posts out to me in this thread, I can't find any.

anytime someone says , " and thats why police are getting shot at any opportunity" is trhing to justify their hatred.

I dont expect ignorant people to all of a sudden realize their hypocracy or fallacy...but I dont mind pointing it out because sometimes someone might not understand how wrong their feelings are (a'la slavery in USA or nazi policy in germany). Thankfully we for the most part moved on from hating soldiers and their fuck ups...because weve done a good job educating ourselves about humanity, mistakes, and cause/effect.....or perhaps we just got better at ignoring things we dont see.

There will be no progress without real imvestment. The comments in this thread are not an investment towards change or improvement, just another hate train to keep choo chooing around on because the hating soldiers, jews, blacks, and gay trains have all been derailed.
 

Subyman

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Saw this last night. Crazy. Putting her to the ground and arresting her because she didn't want to give her name. He didn't even try to talk to her, just wanted those cuffs on her, civility be damned. He had no cause to think she was going to be violent and there was absolutely no reason to restrain her. What a cock up all around.

IMO, the white lady looked like one of those uppity bitches. Black lady looked normal to me.
 

Pipeline 1010

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the comments in threads like this is the absolute gutter of ATOT.

I agree. Anyone justifying putting your hands on someone and arresting them for NOT breaking the law is gutter trash.

People celebrating, minimizing, and justifying deaths and good deeds of our peacekeepers. You all would have been the same ones spitting on the soldiers returning from service in Vietnam.

That's a gigantic leap of logic to get where you got to in this comment. Perhaps you could take it back?

Everyone fucks up sometimes and sometimes things that look like what you think it is aint it. Nobody on this earth is perfect, so move on and deal with it if you are so hell bent on sitting still and bitching about how the sky is falling.

Would this quote apply if you were directing it toward the cop who lost his shit because a peasant didn't obey his unlawful command? Cuz I think it applies perfectly to him and I think someone should have told him this exact quote before he decided to get hands on.

Did you run out of gay weddings and soldier funerals to protest? Is that where you get time to justify the broad hatred of peole who wear a uniform?

Mind blown. The only reason to dislike people who have worked very hard to ensure they aren't beholden to the law that they enforce...the ONLY reason you can think of is because there aren't any gay weddings to protest? WTF is wrong with you? Oh, I get it. Cop Logic®.

Is it truly so difficult to understand our mistrust, feelings of betrayal, and mounting frustration toward a group of people (who most of us grew up idolizing by the way), when this group of people has undertaken tremendous efforts to ensure that they don't have to follow the law?
 
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Pipeline 1010

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Saw this last night. Crazy. Putting her to the ground and arresting her because she didn't want to give her name. He didn't even try to talk to her, just wanted those cuffs on her, civility be damned. He had no cause to think she was going to be violent and there was absolutely no reason to restrain her. What a cock up all around.

Just think of the consequences of this officer's actions. The woman got BANNED from the school her daughter goes to. The woman gets an arrest on her record...this arrest goes on her record and can be viewed by any potential employer. This officer's actions had pretty far reaching negative consequences and he didn't give 2 shits about them. He was fine and happy to cause these potentially permanent harms to this lady. No problem whatsoever.

And yet we have assholes in this thread minimizing what happened to her and telling us that we're celebrating cops deaths and spitting on Vietnam vets and protesting gay weddings because we think that what happened to this lady is unjust.
 

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anytime someone says , " and thats why police are getting shot at any opportunity" is trhing to justify their hatred.

I dont expect ignorant people to all of a sudden realize their hypocracy or fallacy...but I dont mind pointing it out because sometimes someone might not understand how wrong their feelings are (a'la slavery in USA or nazi policy in germany). Thankfully we for the most part moved on from hating soldiers and their fuck ups...because weve done a good job educating ourselves about humanity, mistakes, and cause/effect.....or perhaps we just got better at ignoring things we dont see.

There will be no progress without real imvestment. The comments in this thread are not an investment towards change or improvement, just another hate train to keep choo chooing around on because the hating soldiers, jews, blacks, and gay trains have all been derailed.


so innocent US kids going to fight for democracy is a foreign land but we citizens here have no right to say what we want.
He broke the law. There was no crime, no violation and there was no need to arrest her. Period.

I want visible retribution [financial, job security] so that these pigs dont think they are rambo in suburbia.
 

Meghan54

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The person was involved in a vehicular accident. They required to submit to a police report. Your quote refers to randomly asking people for ID.

She was driving a vehicle involved in an automobile accident. She has no reason to refuse to give her drivers license to the officer investing the accident.


Quit flailing around for an excuse for the police's actions.

Ummm.....try again. There was NO ACCIDENT. NOT ONCE did the cop ask for a driver's license. Not once.

But with your flailing around trying to justify an untenable position, I'm willing to bet you haven't even watched the video, right? You've gone from having the position that if a cop asks your ID, you have to give it, which was proven incorrect, so you double down on stupid and state it was an accident and the cop was asking for her DL.....which is wrong again.

Sheesh.
 
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bradley

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If this woman miscarried, the story would have taken an even more dramatic turn.

But yeah, police in response to a call don't have reasonable suspicion or probable cause; they were there to vet the situation to their best ability and failed miserably and escalated a very routine situation. In fact, the other officer admitted that no crime had been committed.

Also the altercation happened less than a week ago and to my knowledge there has been no settlement.
 

Subyman

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Judge agrees and throws out the charges, so that should tell you something.