Cops posts on facebook to run over protestors

[GarfieldtheCat]

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_29400416/st-paul-cop-allegedly-urged-drivers-hit-black

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_29404163/st-paul-cop-suspected-run-them-over-post

Yet another classy cop. He posted on facebook to just run over BLM protestors if they get in your way.

In true cop fashion, he tells people to run them over and keep going, stop a few blocks away, and then call the police and say you were afraid of your life.

Of course this cop has a history of issues, 15 complaints against him, of which 7 were ruled justified. But he is still on the job, encouraging people to commit murder.

I think he knows good and well about racism and how people get away with hurting black people. At the end of his post he said that you could be sued in civil court, but it would be a jury trial and you most likely get off.

Nice huh? Looks like he did end up resigning after this came out. I'm sure another PD will hire him quickly.

 

[momeNt]

The best advice I can give if you are caught in a protest is to stop the car, make it visible you are leaving your keys, your wallet, and phone in the vehicle, and get the hell out of there. If your car is gone then you know you averted physical harm being removed from your car, and if your car is there, then you were just being cautious.

 

[Captante]

Anyone regardless of race that gets in front of my car and threatens me or my family had best get ready for an up close and personal look at the dirty-side.

Having said that, a cop encouraging violence on social media is inexcusable.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Running someone down threatening me...yeah, I get it. It's all about whether you had reason to feel you were in grave danger.

Running someone down because they blocked traffic? Well...I have no love for people who block traffic. The 99%ers blocked traffic in Seattle and actually blocked an ambulance that had its lights and sirens on (while protesting the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Because trying eradicate Polio and get clean water & vaccines to people in Africa is so awful) - that type of shit needs to be dealt with. You block an ambulance/responding police/fire crews you get charged with the damage your delay caused/charged as an accessory...but running them down just to restore traffic? No.

 

[Rakehellion]

They did it at the Zombie Walk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1W6s5179uM

Anyway, blocking streets is a fucking stupid form of protest. Whatever happened to sit-ins?

 

[Nashemon]

They did it at the Zombie Walk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1W6s5179uM

Anyway, blocking streets is a fucking stupid form of protest. Whatever happened to sit-ins?

I think it comes down to the amount of attention you get. Sit-ins only hurt the business being protested and you might get a story on the evening news (and a video of yourself getting pepper sprayed on YouTube). Blocking traffic hurts the entire community and you get up-to-the-minute "breaking" coverage on CNN.

 

[PokerGuy]

Ok, so the cop wasn't smart to advocate this on social media, but if these idiots block the road and you feel threatened or that you are in danger, plowing through them is the best thing to do.

 

[Spungo]

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_29400416/st-paul-cop-allegedly-urged-drivers-hit-black

Yet another classy cop. He posted on facebook to just run over BLM protestors if they get in your way.

1. That's definitely unprofessional of him.
2. His feelings accurately reflect those of the general public.

I can't remember who said this, but I remember someone telling a story about a traffic jam in LA because a person was threatening to jump off an overpass. After a few hours, people were yelling "JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP!"
We get sick of this bullshit. If you're going to kill yourself, just fucking do it. If you're going to riot, get the fuck off the street. Would these idiots stand in front of a charging bull and get angry when it doesn't stop for them?

The cop should be given a warning and a short suspension without pay. If he already has multiple warnings, it might be time to let him go.

 

[Darwin333]

Anyone regardless of race that gets in front of my car and threatens me or my family had best get ready for an up close and personal look at the dirty-side.

Having said that, a cop encouraging violence on social media is inexcusable.

The cop said nothing about the protesters threatening anyone. If they are simply blocking the road in a non-threatening way then there is absolutely no reason to run anyone down.

 

[WackyDan]

The cop said nothing about the protesters threatening anyone. If they are simply blocking the road in a non-threatening way then there is absolutely no reason to run anyone down.

Then it is up to police to do their job and arrest every one of them for impeding the flow of traffic if that is a chargeable offense there. I know it is here in NC.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_29400416/st-paul-cop-allegedly-urged-drivers-hit-black

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_29404163/st-paul-cop-suspected-run-them-over-post

Yet another classy cop. He posted on facebook to just run over BLM protestors if they get in your way.

In true cop fashion, he tells people to run them over and keep going, stop a few blocks away, and then call the police and say you were afraid of your life.

Of course this cop has a history of issues, 15 complaints against him, of which 7 were ruled justified. But he is still on the job, encouraging people to commit murder.

I think he knows good and well about racism and how people get away with hurting black people. At the end of his post he said that you could be sued in civil court, but it would be a jury trial and you most likely get off.

Nice huh? Looks like he did end up resigning after this came out. I'm sure another PD will hire him quickly.

I am all for running over Bureau of Land Management protestors. Which BLM are you talking about?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

if the allegations are substantiated, then this asshole has no place on any police force in any capacity.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Then it is up to police to do their job and arrest every one of them for impeding the flow of traffic if that is a chargeable offense there. I know it is here in NC.

Is that where uppity and Black was once a hanging offense?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

1. That's definitely unprofessional of him.
2. His feelings accurately reflect those of the general public.

His feelings not only accurately reflect those of the general public, they're good advice. Setting aside his obvious anger and racism issues, what the hell else is a person supposed to do? Those who remain in the path of an angry mob and trust to the mobs mercy and goodwill towards humanity don't generally fare all that well. You have to get the fuck out of Dodge and if anyone else is in the way, tough shit. Saying you're afraid for your life isn't a lie, if you're trapped in a mob and not afraid for your life you're just too stupid to live.

The cops mistake was to specifically mention a BLM mob. If he phrased it as general advice for any person caught in any mob and genuinely afraid for their life it would have been much better received.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Anyone regardless of race that gets in front of my car and threatens me or my family had best get ready for an up close and personal look at the dirty-side.

Having said that, a cop encouraging violence on social media is inexcusable.

This is not about an actual threat, but a claim of FEELING a threat to justify a premeditated crime.

 

[Nashemon]

Interesting article on why illegal protests are tolerated by police.

http://wamu.org/news/14/12/05/why_are_protesters_being_allowed_to_block_traffic

 

[tracerbullet]

His feelings not only accurately reflect those of the general public, they're good advice. Setting aside his obvious anger and racism issues, what the hell else is a person supposed to do?

Heck of an assumption about the general public. The logical thing for a rational person to do is to just not drive down said street, and if they get there accidentally to simply turn around.

Having seen these protests (from a distance) first hand, these aren't scary angry mobs out killing people. Just a bunch of folks standing around.

 

[child of wonder]

Heck of an assumption about the general public. The logical thing for a rational person to do is to just not drive down said street, and if they get there accidentally to simply turn around.

Having seen these protests (from a distance) first hand, these aren't scary angry mobs out killing people. Just a bunch of folks standing around.

What does one do when driving down I-94 at 65 mph and coming across a protest blocking the road? Turn around and drive the wrong way down the freeway?

The BLM protests in the Twin Cities over Jamar Clark are ridiculous. The cops need to release video and an external investigation needs to get to the bottom of it so it can be put to rest. If the cops acted improperly, fire and prosecute them. If they didn't, the protests need to stop.

Sadly, I doubt the latter will ever occur.

 

[EduCat]

LOL some of yall are so fucked in the head.

 

[Darwin333]

Then it is up to police to do their job and arrest every one of them for impeding the flow of traffic if that is a chargeable offense there. I know it is here in NC.

Well that's rather obvious and I'm pretty sure that's a law everywhere. The point remains, you can't kill people for inconveniencing you. If they start trying to break your window or threaten you then I agree, stomp on the gas peddle. If they are simply standing in your way on a public street then you have no legal right to use deadly force in any state that I'm aware of.

 

[Darwin333]

His feelings not only accurately reflect those of the general public, they're good advice. Setting aside his obvious anger and racism issues, what the hell else is a person supposed to do? Those who remain in the path of an angry mob and trust to the mobs mercy and goodwill towards humanity don't generally fare all that well. You have to get the fuck out of Dodge and if anyone else is in the way, tough shit. Saying you're afraid for your life isn't a lie, if you're trapped in a mob and not afraid for your life you're just too stupid to live.

The cops mistake was to specifically mention a BLM mob. If he phrased it as general advice for any person caught in any mob and genuinely afraid for their life it would have been much better received.

He implicitly said "keep traffic flowing" and not once said "if you feel your life is in danger". He basically said that if someone knocks on your door tell them to go to the backdoor and then shoot them, call the cops and tell them you feared for your life since he was trying to break in. He didn't once qualify his "advice" with anything like "if you are in an angry mob, if you fear for your life, if you are being threatened, if the mob appears to be out of control, etc..." His "advice" works the exact same if the protesters are peaceful yet still blocking traffic in a show of peaceful civil disobedience. They deserve to be arrested but not killed because some asshole told people how to get away with it.

If it was righteous and legal he wouldn't need to give people advice on how to avoid justice because they would already be in the right.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Running someone down threatening me...yeah, I get it. It's all about whether you had reason to feel you were in grave danger.

Running someone down because they blocked traffic? Well...I have no love for people who block traffic. The 99%ers blocked traffic in Seattle and actually blocked an ambulance that had its lights and sirens on (while protesting the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Because trying eradicate Polio and get clean water & vaccines to people in Africa is so awful) - that type of shit needs to be dealt with. You block an ambulance/responding police/fire crews you get charged with the damage your delay caused/charged as an accessory...but running them down just to restore traffic? No.

Agreed, the crowd should be charged with an equivalency of 2nd degree murder for taking away someones right to survive (essentially). I'm sorry, I'm not that extreme on the road about "I GOT TO GET TO WORK IN 30 SECONDS NOT 50 SECONDS!", but blocking traffic is worthy of death. There should be zero defense in a court if someone mows some people down for sitting on a crowded highway. Inexcusable.

 

[Zaap]

No one should be running anyone else down, obviously.

However: purposefully blocking streets and traffic should be grounds for immediate arrest. Cops should clear the street A.S.A.P by simply arresting everyone blocking it. That's not a legitimate form of protest.

Blocking *any* emergency vehicle should carry with it stiff prison time as if in every instance you caused someone to die not making it to a hospital on time, or die in a fire or other emergency.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What is the issue with public protest?
The US has a long history of such events by a number of different social groups.

 

[PokerGuy]

What is the issue with public protest?
The US has a long history of such events by a number of different social groups.

No issue at all with public protest. I do have an issue with mobs blocking traffic whenever they feel like it, inconveniencing and endangering people in the process. They should all be arrested and tossed in jail.

If you want to protest in front of the state house or whatever public area, have at it, but blocking traffic (blocking the road for people who have nothing to do with your protest) is not OK.