"Out of the ordinary" isn't a legal standard. Unless the officer has a reasonably articulable suspicion that a crime has been committed or is imminent, he has no right to detain someone.
Unless this officer is able to explain what crime he thought Mr. Darrow was about to committ and provide a reasonable explanation for his belief, the stop was illegal. I am well aware that many officers think "the guy looked funny" or "he pulled into an empty parking lot" is "reasonable suspicion", but those types of cases routinely get overturned on appeal. Like this one, for example.
BS he has tainted the system. Every case forward he would be askied if he is lying like he did in this case. This guy has no creditbility.
You do need help. There's nothing funny about an innocent student being tasered 3 times. :|Originally posted by: MisterJackson
This made me giggle like a little school girl then snort. My coworkers think I need help.Originally posted by: mugs
HERE'S YOUR FUCKING PATRIOT ACT!
Wait... what?
jlee
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Flatscan
You do need help. There's nothing funny about an innocent student being tasered 3 times. :|Originally posted by: MisterJackson
This made me giggle like a little school girl then snort. My coworkers think I need help.Originally posted by: mugs
HERE'S YOUR FUCKING PATRIOT ACT!
Wait... what?
While on a conveyor belt?
:evil:
The Boston Dangler
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"I have lots of cameras in my car. And they upload to secure sources."
WTF? So, he's transmitting the audio and video to a receiver at his house? Not with a Maxima at idle, and definately not low profile. Does anyone know if this is do-able?
WTF? So, he's transmitting the audio and video to a receiver at his house? Not with a Maxima at idle, and definately not low profile. Does anyone know if this is do-able?
Ricemarine
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He was probably BSing so that he wouldn't get his car impounded and his video equipment mysteriously disappear.
waggy
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exactly! EVERY case he has BEFORE and AFTER is going to be questioned. He has lost ALL creditbility.
Who is to say he has not done this before and charged someone? the question is still going to linger on every court case.
Threatening to make up charges and tickets on someone is onforgiviable. he should never be in a position of power again.
sadly some should not have power over others.
while i think 90% of the cops are honorable and truthfull this is one that is neither.
what pisses me off is his video just dispared. shit like this happens far to much.
waggy
No Lifer
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ohh intersting.
i was doing some looking into the story. yeah im was bored. but anyway for those saying the kid has history what about the officer?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...5000D2A55?OpenDocument
"A check of court records shows Kuehnlein himself pleaded guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, in 1988 and 1990. He successfully petitioned a judge in St. Louis County in 1998 to expunge his criminal record, which was making it hard for him to get work as a cop.
The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charge"
so he has a history of assult. so now it really makes me wonder how many times he has done shit like this?
i was doing some looking into the story. yeah im was bored. but anyway for those saying the kid has history what about the officer?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...5000D2A55?OpenDocument
"A check of court records shows Kuehnlein himself pleaded guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, in 1988 and 1990. He successfully petitioned a judge in St. Louis County in 1998 to expunge his criminal record, which was making it hard for him to get work as a cop.
The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charge"
so he has a history of assult. so now it really makes me wonder how many times he has done shit like this?
Hopefully this info will make a few people rethink their idiotic "Cops are authority figures never ever question them" logic, however. Cops are normal, flawed people.
waggy
No Lifer
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Originally posted by: CadetLee
So it's okay for you to use the cop's prior history in your opinion of him (the cop)...
...but it's not okay for me to use Brett's history in my opinion of him (Brett)?
i'm just giving both sides of the story.
the cop has a bad history also. just giving it for those that seem to not care what the cop does or make excuses.
Originally posted by: CadetLee
So it's okay for you to use the cop's prior history in your opinion of him (the cop)...
...but it's not okay for me to use Brett's history in my opinion of him (Brett)?
Absolutely.
The officer's criminal history is extremely relevant, since he broke the law by fabricating traffic tickets and threating a false arrest. His prior bad acts indicate a pattern of illegal and abusive behavior.
Brett's personal history is irrelevant, since he committed no crime and merely asserted his Constitutional rights. His past actions prove what, that there are many abusive officers who illegally retaliate when someone exercises his civil rights? That he has a general distrust of the police due to repeated incidents of unprofessional and illegal behavior?
Two direct quotes from this thread. In this case it appears "authority" was a cop who's been in and out of trouble with the law himself and when questioned as to why he was pulling an innocent person over (whether or not the kid's been a dick before, he didn't do anything wrong as far as THIS cop knew) had a temper tantrum and threatened the innocent person with made-up charges.
People don't respect authority because of cops like these. Please, please, tell me this cop is a one in a million abberation. You'd be lying, but it's nice to hear. The fact is he's not, and the cops that DO behave badly are getting more and more attention specifically because of punk kids like this.
Maybe the solution is to not give people who barely passed high school and have a pulse the power of being a cop. Perhaps it's time for some somewhat higher standards. You can't tell people "respect authority" simply because it's authority, there's supposed to be an upholding of ideals behind said authority.
You people can whine and complain about how there's a time and place to question authority all you want. I agree this kid would've made it easier on himself if he'd simply handed over the license, but the facts speak for themself. This worthless cop is out of a job, and this kid got EXACTLY what he wanted by taping a random encounter with a cop where he did absolutely nothing wrong. Apparently the proper time and place was exactly when and where this kid questioned it.
It's videos and stories like these that makes me lose my respect to cops.
- "You should give respect to Cops for doing their dangerous job"
Complete bull. Why does one profession "deserve" automatic respect and obedience from the population and not others? I can think of many other occupations that are more hazardous and carries more life-threatening risks. Many of them are just as vital to a society as law enforcement.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/
http://moneycentral.msn.com/co...nvest/extra/P63405.asp
Where's "law enforcement" there? A police officer's already given more occupational protection than regular population with stiffer penalty and weapons. Cops should be held more accountable because they wield much more power and authority than regular Joe. This is why a "higher" standard is expected out them. Too bad "power corrupts" holds true for too many occasions.
- Cop Apologist
You're part of the problem. There is no excuse for cops misbehaving REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING. Cops have infinitely more power over all of us, thus they have no excuse to misbehave because "they're human". If they make a mistake, they should be punished (harshly). Regular citizen being annoying/disrespectful without committing crimes is NEVER an excuse to veer off of the standard.
- We need more guys like the video maker
A healthy society needs checks against those in government and power. Videos like in OP keeps the cops on their toes. If the cop is doing his job and is behaving correctly, then he has nothing to fear. It's too sad that we have to resort to such means to keep law enforcement honest. If our court system (too often, the traffic court) wasn't so flawed and stacked against the accused, then we might have a rosier reality.
You know, it's completely possible for people to criticize the police force without "hating" them. Authority is held to a higher standard for their power. In fact, our founding idea was to always be wary of authority. You'd also have to be naive to believe that police misbehavior is "rare". There are far more than "few bad apples" out there.
- "You should give respect to Cops for doing their dangerous job"
Complete bull. Why does one profession "deserve" automatic respect and obedience from the population and not others? I can think of many other occupations that are more hazardous and carries more life-threatening risks. Many of them are just as vital to a society as law enforcement.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/
http://moneycentral.msn.com/co...nvest/extra/P63405.asp
Where's "law enforcement" there? A police officer's already given more occupational protection than regular population with stiffer penalty and weapons. Cops should be held more accountable because they wield much more power and authority than regular Joe. This is why a "higher" standard is expected out them. Too bad "power corrupts" holds true for too many occasions.
- Cop Apologist
You're part of the problem. There is no excuse for cops misbehaving REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING. Cops have infinitely more power over all of us, thus they have no excuse to misbehave because "they're human". If they make a mistake, they should be punished (harshly). Regular citizen being annoying/disrespectful without committing crimes is NEVER an excuse to veer off of the standard.
- We need more guys like the video maker
A healthy society needs checks against those in government and power. Videos like in OP keeps the cops on their toes. If the cop is doing his job and is behaving correctly, then he has nothing to fear. It's too sad that we have to resort to such means to keep law enforcement honest. If our court system (too often, the traffic court) wasn't so flawed and stacked against the accused, then we might have a rosier reality.
You know, it's completely possible for people to criticize the police force without "hating" them. Authority is held to a higher standard for their power. In fact, our founding idea was to always be wary of authority. You'd also have to be naive to believe that police misbehavior is "rare". There are far more than "few bad apples" out there.
The cop does not deserve to lose his job... he deserves to be jailed. With greater responsibility comes greater consequences. He abused the authority ordained by the public (for their own benefit).
Furthermore, it has been claimed that cops are "just average folks" and so on but that is not the case. Indeeed, the job attracts control freaks which is all the more reason for them to be rigorously policed by higher authority. If the system fails and therefore such responsibility falls upon citizen heroes then so be it.
Furthermore, it has been claimed that cops are "just average folks" and so on but that is not the case. Indeeed, the job attracts control freaks which is all the more reason for them to be rigorously policed by higher authority. If the system fails and therefore such responsibility falls upon citizen heroes then so be it.
ViviTheMage
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waggy
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GEORGE, Missouri (AP) -- A police sergeant whose berating of a driver was captured on videotape has been fired.
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity
It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camer
Ohh he has been fired. GREAT! he should never be in sucha position ever again.
Aldermen in the town of St. George, a St. Louis suburb, voted 5-0 in a closed meeting Monday to fire Sgt. James Kuehnlein. Notice of the firing was posted Wednesday at City Hall.
Kuehnlein's attorney, Travis L. Noble, said the officer received a letter Thursday detailing the reasons for his firing. Noble said he would review the letter with Kuehnlein before deciding on a course of action.
Brett Darrow, 20, had a video recorder inside his car when Kuehnlein approached him in a commuter lot in the early hours of September 7. Watch the tape and police officer's tirade »
In a video that was widely viewed on the Internet, Kuehnlein is heard taunting and threatening Darrow, sometimes shouting and using profanity
It's what I wanted the whole time," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "The conduct was not forgivable."
Police Chief Scott Uhrig said he recommended that Kuehnlein be fired based both on his language in the tape and because he violated department policy when he failed to tape the encounter himself with his police car's camer
Ohh he has been fired. GREAT! he should never be in sucha position ever again.
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