Cops have killed 400 people in 2015, one every 7 hours and 30 minutes

[touchstone]

Actually what's sad is I would love to get at the heart of what this issue is. It is you who just wants to run around screaming about how many people are being killed by cops without putting those numbers in any kind of context.

You are only arguing my point for me. You are saying that we need to indite these officers AND FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS JUSTIFIED, right? Or is it that you want to find out a specific outcome that favors one party?



Pretty pathetic that you can neff your way through two pages of questions, with me answering every single one... and then just continue asking stupid questions and answering nothing. I'm done with you, you have not been a good debate opponent but I cant say that your position is easy to argue considering you have zero evidence for and tons against it.


In conclusion: The cop shills in this thread suggested I think every shooting is not justified, not true at all. I gave an example, and reasons why officers should be indicted regardless of the evidence. In order for the public to have any trust in law enforcement they need to actually hold a standard above that of not only criminals, but society as a whole. Right now cops struggle to beat criminals in morality and often the two are one and the same. Whitey Bulger was right all along.

 

[brycejones]

You are only arguing my point for me. You are saying that we need to indite these officers AND FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS JUSTIFIED, right? Or is it that you want to find out a specific outcome that favors one party?



Pretty pathetic that you can neff your way through two pages of questions, with me answering every single one... and then just continue asking stupid questions and answering nothing. I'm done with you, you have not been a good debate opponent but I cant say that your position is easy to argue considering you have zero evidence for and tons against it.

Sir touchstone bravely ran away.

 

[touchstone]

I'm still here, it's not hard to neff like you

 

[touchstone]

Sir touchstone bravely ran away.

Where are your answers to my questions? I'm waiting.


talk about bravery, this guy can't even neff his way through a single answer to one question I ask. Instead he just posts 5 word drivel like this

 

[brycejones]

Where are your answers to my questions? I'm waiting.


talk about bravery, this guy can't even neff his way through a single answer to one question I ask. Instead he just posts 5 word drivel like this

I'm sorry I thought you were done?

 

[touchstone]

I'm sorry I thought you were done?

I'm sorry I thought wanted me to come back? Did I scare you?

 

[Darwin333]

So, apparently we are to assume that every time someone gets shot and/or killed by a cop it's a bad thing? Those two scumbags in TX are a perfect example of good riddance.

Perhaps if the stats were presented (preferably by a source not comprised of idiots) to show shootings not considered appropriate, we could have an actual discussion about it. Otherwise, this is just a red cape for those too stupid to think things through.

Why don't you try calling your local PD and getting their stats because all of the statistics we get are self reported, with no oversight, by individual police departments.

It would be exactly like the IRS auditing me but I get to do the actual auditing and the IRS just takes my word on it. Of course I didn't do anything wrong, if anything you owe me more money!

 

[brycejones]

I'm sorry I thought wanted me to come back? Did I scare you?

So you're done with your tantrum from earlier?

 

[touchstone]

So you're done with your tantrum from earlier?

Are you done asking stupid questions?

 

[touchstone]

Let me guess?

Brycejones:
WORD WORD WORD WORD WORD QUESTION MARK


oh bryce, you are SO clever and funny

 

[brycejones]

Why don't you try calling your local PD and getting their stats because all of the statistics we get are self reported, with no oversight, by individual police departments.

This isn't an unfair criticism it would be good to have requirements and standards in place to be able to compare apples to apples. However there are going to be challenges since even crime stats today can vary widely from state to state because of how various crimes are categorized by the states making a comparison between jurisdictions in other states more difficult.

 

[brycejones]

Let me guess?

Brycejones:
WORD WORD WORD WORD WORD QUESTION MARK


oh bryce, you are SO clever and funny

Not done yet I see.

 

[Darwin333]

OK, so copcrisis.com gets its stats from killedbypolice.net.

Here is what killedbypolice.net listed as the latest cop "killings". At 1 AM two guys were struck and killed by a police car. Their car broke down in the southbound lanes of the freeway and they were struck as they entered the left lane of the northbound lanes on foot. I'm sure the OP feels the cop probably sped up, pumping his fist while yelling 4 points!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/05/06/nj-turnpike-pedestrians-killed-police-car/

A hyperbole filled post with a title already proved to be bullshit. What it takes for the OP to get a stiffie I guess.

In his defense, where exactly is he supposed to get accurate numbers?

It's amazing to me that we can get reliable statistics on pretty much every cause of death there is, usually from the government, except getting shot by a government employee. I wonder why that is?

 

[Ackmed]

As posted, these stats are hilariously bad.

Can't put one past you can they? Roflmfao. For whatever reason, original insightful comments like yours are highly entertaining for me.

The original poster claimed that killings were murders, so he was correcting him. But good try. People actually use "Roflmfao"? Seriously? Wow.

 

[brycejones]

You are saying that we need to indite these officers AND FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS JUSTIFIED, right? .

Nope, before indictments there are these things called investigations that happen. You know where evidence is collected and evaluated? Indictments should only happen when the evidence supports that outcome. Especially when you have already argued in this thread that officers should be suspended without pay during any investigation.

I would support a reporting requirement for all officer involved deaths at a federal level.

 

[touchstone]

Nope, before indictments there are these things called investigations that happen. You know where evidence is collected and evaluated? Indictments should only happen when the evidence supports that outcome. Especially when you have already argued in this thread that officers should be suspended without pay during any investigation.

I would support a reporting requirement for all officer involved deaths at a federal level.

dude you are retarded cops hand out indictments to regular citizens like F'ing candy on holloween. There are no 'investigations' when it comes to the average shooting, they charge the person that day. The only reason you are worried about being indicted and investigated like the cops do to average citizens for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER is you know you're guilty.


pathetic, but continue.

edit: any time you make a point, I will pop back in to show everybody what BS it is and how full of it you are, again. so you might as well just go back to your pen and eat some slop, or whatever it is you do besides neff

 

[Darwin333]

Nice how you assume that they were ALL murder.

You are incapable of having a real discussion. Would you prefer that we have one cop killed every 7 hours and 30 minutes? The very nature of their job brings them in contact with the worst of the worst. Don't expect police to protect us without also protecting themselves.

Except police work, other than normal run of the mill accidents, is an incredibly safe line of work. 15 police officers died of firearm related deaths in 2014 per the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 42 total LEO deaths in 2014, again per their numbers.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/

 

[Darwin333]

I think this is maybe the one definite thing that the DOJ/Supreme Court will find soon. Law Enforcement MUST be held responsible for giving accurate statistics of major crimes. It's lunacy that we have no uniform data collection of law enforcement use of force.

I suppose it's lunacy now, but obviously nobody cared about it up until a few years ago. Should be a real simple fix.

I 100% agree. One thing the .gov is really really good at is paperwork, the fact that we don't have a standard and mandatory reporting system for LEO use of force is more than baffling at this point. A little tin foilish maybe but it's very hard not to question exactly why there is no mandatory standard reporting of use of force, especially lethal force.

 

[brycejones]

dude you are retarded cops hand out indictments to regular citizens like F'ing candy on holloween. There are no 'investigations' when it comes to the average shooting, they charge the person that day. The only reason you are worried about being indicted and investigated like the cops do to average citizens for ANY REASON WHATSOEVER is you know you're guilty.


pathetic, but continue.

edit: any time you make a point, I will pop back in to show everybody what BS it is and how full of it you are, again. so you might as well just go back to your pen and eat some slop, or whatever it is you do besides neff

You do know that cops don't indict anyone right? They recommend charges and refer cases to prosecutors but they don't have the power to indict anyone. So they can't " hand out indictments to regular citizens like F'ing candy on holloween".

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

Pro-tip: if you feel the need to essentially call out how much you've "owned" someone chances are you haven't.

 

[touchstone]

You do know that cops don't indict anyone right? They recommend charges and refer cases to prosecutors but they don't have the power to indict anyone. So they can't " hand out indictments to regular citizens like F'ing candy on holloween".

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

Pro-tip: if you feel the need to essentially call out how much you've "owned" someone chances are you haven't.

The cops don't personally indict them, but the prosecutors go with their 'reccomendations' (NOT optional) 97%+ of the time. These are well known facts that anybody on this forum who is versed on this topic also knows, so please show me a few cases of prosecutors with any frequency rejecting the reccommendations of the cops. I'm waiting.


Pro-tip: Leave the convo because there was never any question of who was winning this argument. You have no argument, or at least, it consists of you wildly flailing and misrepresenting the facts to your slight advantage.

 

[brycejones]

The cops don't personally indict them, but the prosecutors go with their 'reccomendations' (NOT optional) 97%+ of the time. These are well known facts that anybody on this forum who is versed on this topic also knows

I guess that explains why your earlier statement was incorrect then.

Still waiting for you to respond to this one:

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

 

[touchstone]

I guess that explains why your earlier statement was incorrect then.

Oh bryce, but where are your examples? You were so sure that you had me, what happened



Bryce Jones Debate Strategy: Misrepresent facts, then when called out neff until the page changes and people are distracted.

 

[touchstone]

Still waiting for you to respond to this one:

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

Yes you indict them, and then you investigate for 30 min and see they are innocent, then you give them back pay for 24 hours they were out and put them back to work. That's how every other job on earth works.



Cue next neff question I shoot down in seconds.

 

[brycejones]

Bryce Jones Debate Strategy: Misrepresent facts, then when called out neff until the page changes and people are distracted.

What did I misrepresent?

Oh and:

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

 

[touchstone]

What did I misrepresent?

For starters, you said that cops can't indict, when they de-facto can indict pretty much anybody. Secondly, you tried to act like indicting this texas cop is somehow a horrible thing that affects him so badly, it doesn't. Investigation would be concluded in minutes and he would be given back pay.
Oh and:

So in your world we should indict whoever shot the two assholes in Texas and have a trial to make sure it was justified? No matter what the circumstances are place the officer on leave without pay, indict them regardless of the evidence, wait 1-2 years for the case to wind its way through the legal system and then give them back pay if they are found not guilty? Is that really your position?

Yes you tard that is my position. Next stupid question?



edit: You are just a glutton for punishment huh? No shame. Masochist?