Cops Dress in Camouflage to Nab Speeders

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Lifer
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Nothing +strange+ there, considering the state's strong hunting tradition, right? But the weapons are radar guns, the quarry is speeders and the season never closes.


Police at the Rockview Barracks near State College began using so-called "camo cops" patrols after a 44-vechicle crash on Interstate 80 that killed six people in January.


"As a result, there were many, many letters and questions and fingerpointing ? What are you doing? What are you not doing enough of?" said Lt. Jeffrey Watson, station commander.


Watson and Sgt. David Holmes wanted to reduce speeding and accidents and came up with the idea. Holmes has used the tactic for more than a dozen years.


"People have discovered that I have means of getting to the target," Holmes said. He recalled first using camouflage in Cameron County, back in 1989, and word soon spread.


"By the end of the second day, the people were stopping at the stop sign and looking (into the woods) to wave," he said.


Rockview primarily targets speeding tractor-trailers. Truckers quickly catch on to traditional methods, such as placing a patrol car in a median or tucked behind an overpass, and then use CBs to alert others to police presence, Watson said.


The tactic is effective, Watson said, if not appreciated by those drivers ticketed.


"Oh, the truckers, they don't think it's fair. But I don't think we've lost one yet," Watson said.


The tactic is catching on with state police in other counties.


In one five-hour blitz in Indiana County last week, troopers issued 25 citations to motorists zooming along at least 15 miles faster than the posted 55 mph limit ? including one leadfoot cited for going 90 mph.


"It's going to continue throughout the summer months," said Shawn Houck, a spokesman with PennDOT, which partnered with the barracks.


That police are going under cover to catch speeders shouldn't come as a surprise, Watson said. After all, they go undercover for other investigations, and variations on camouflage have been used before, such as when troopers pose as construction workers.


In 1999, police in Jacksonville, Fla., dressed as homeless people, construction workers and stranded motorists to catch traffic violators. One undercover officer even carried a sign reading, "I work for the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office. You never know. Drive safely." Police in Las Vegas later adopted the idea.


Jeff Kitsko, 27, of Latrobe, a Web designer who maintains a site about Pennsylvania roads, doesn't like it.


"From the safety aspect of it, if I see somebody in the woods aiming something, I'm going to want to call the cops," he said. "Especially someone dressed in camo."





Eric Skrum, the communications director for the National Motorists Association, a Wisconsin-based drivers organization that supports higher speed limits and opposes speed traps and revenue-generating traffic enforcement measures, said studies show police are effective when they're visible.

"This is a revenue maker. This is not about safety in the least," Skrum said. State police say that's not the case.

Scrum nonetheless believes the camo cops will have only a short-term effect.

"They'll slow down for a day or so, then ? out of sight, out of mind," Skrum said.

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Lifer
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Police at the Rockview Barracks near State College began using so-called "camo cops" patrols after a 44-vechicle crash on Interstate 80 that killed six people in January.

What are the odds of 44 consecutive cars being driven by women at that place and time?

including one leadfoot cited for going 90 mph.

That's more like it. :D
 

dmurray14

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Heh, when I first read the thread title I could have sworn it said "Cops Dress in Camoflage to Nab Spiders"

Made me think of someone on this board....
 

edro

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Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.

Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.

Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D

Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass drivers that think going 15mph over the speed limit is a good idea.
 

misle

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Originally posted by: edro13
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D

Here, they do that, but the guy has a radio and about 3-5 cops in traffic or on a overpass ready to merge and pull over whoever he says is speeding.
 

andylawcc

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Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.

Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D

can't agree with you anymore; speeding ticket should only be limited to locals street. On freeway its all fair game.
 

Ameesh

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gooddamint i hate traffic cops sooo much, i wish we were allowed to run them over.
 

thomsbrain

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the main problem with all this is if they just parked their money-grubbing asses on the curb where we could see them:

PRESTO!!!!!

we stop breaking the law. yup, that's right. put a uniformed cop at an intersection and people will stop running the stop sign. i don't know about you, but i think it's better to PREVENT the crime in the first place than to sit and wait for the crime to be commited and then nab the criminal.

oh right, i was confusing ethics with the law. my bad.
 

JulesMaximus

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In one five-hour blitz in Indiana County last week, troopers issued 25 citations to motorists zooming along at least 15 miles faster than the posted 55 mph limit ? including one leadfoot cited for going 90 mph.

You mean there are states with 55mph speed limits on the freeways? I think most of them here are 65 and 75 in the rural areas. Hell, I'm usually doing 80-90mph in the Maxima.
 

yllus

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
the main problem with all this is if they just parked their money-grubbing asses on the curb where we could see them
I was going to agree with you until I realized that as soon as the cop car was out of view, I'd probably accelerate back up to whatever speed I was doing earlier. Most people would do the same.

Though if some homeless guy waves at me to pull over, I'm simply not gonna. Maybe I'll even go for an evasion. How the hell was I supposed to know that was a cop?! Plausible deniability! :p
 

murphy55d

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I live ~30 mins from these areas mentioned in the article(State College, Indiana County, etc), and I drive to and from Pittsburgh quite often. Yes, the freeways here are mostly 55mph. There are a few which are 65, but AFAIK there are no 75 mph roads anywhere near here. The turnpike is 55 and 65 in some spots. I have yet to see one of these "camo cops", but I'll have to keep a look-out now when I'm driving. In fact i'm heading to Pittsburgh today, so we'll see how that goes. :D

(ive only been pulled over once in my life, FWIW, and ended up with no points)
 

jyates

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
gooddamint i hate traffic cops sooo much, i wish we were allowed to run them over.

Hey...you can!

only problem is there is a price tag attached if you are caught! :)
 

edro

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass drivers that think going 15mph over the speed limit is a good idea.
You sir, need to get out of your horse and buggy and try driving in a real city.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: edro13
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass drivers that think going 15mph over the speed limit is a good idea.
You sir, need to get out of your horse and buggy and try driving in a real city.

Do people get pulled over in this 'real city'?
 

Nanotech

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including one leadfoot cited for going 90 mph.

Makes me wonder what they would have called me had they caught me going 120 mph for a short distance on I-74 last Sunday.
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: Nanotech
including one leadfoot cited for going 90 mph.

Makes me wonder what they would have called me had they caught me going 120 mph for a short distance on I-74 last Sunday.

They'd probably call you prison bitch. :p
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.

Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D

:werd: I believe all of this is only for Revenue and a re-election bid for the Sheriff. Nothing more. Besides....there are laws they are probably breaking by doing what they are. Cop cars have to be "Visible" for at least 250 feet before they can clock you.
 

IHYLN

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: edro13
Those morons. All speed traps do is make perfectly smooth traffic turn into a huge breakfest where you get morons slamming on their breaks AFTER they see the cop radaring them.
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass cops standing on the side of the road, radar in hand, at 7am Rush Hour... You don't have the balls to get in your car and merge with extremely dense 80+mph traffic, so go the fvck home. :D
Nothing pisses me off more than stupid ass drivers that think going 15mph over the speed limit is a good idea.

You sir must be Amish.