Cops are installing traffic cameras on streets to send speeders tickets in the mail

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We already have cameras on lights, vans parked on the expressway in constructions zones, now on regular streets...

Cameras may catch side street speeders

By Gary Washburn
Tribune staff reporter
Published July 26, 2005

Motorists who already are at risk of being nabbed by cameras for running red lights at dangerous Chicago intersections now may face the "long arm of the lens" if they speed down city side streets.

With what appeared to be strong support from his City Council colleagues, Ald. Thomas Allen (38th), chairman of the council's Transportation Committee, said Monday that he will draft an ordinance that would allow speeders caught by cameras in mobile radar-equipped vans to be ticketed.

Allen spoke after presiding at a committee meeting where aldermen complained of lack of police enforcement and a chronic speeding problem on neighborhood streets that they said puts children and other pedestrians in jeopardy.

"The police don't want to issue tickets because they don't want to sit in court and spend time ... to testify," said Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd).

"I would rather have real police," Allen said. But "we have no cops right now. `Robocop' is better than no cop at all."

RedFlex Traffic Systems Inc., the contractor providing Chicago's red light cameras, so far has sold photo radar systems to eight cities nationwide, said Mark Etsbach, a regional sales manager who spoke at Monday's meeting.

In Paradise Valley, Ariz., a camera system issues 19 speeding tickets to every one written by police, Etsbach said.

Illinois officials soon plan to use cameras to capture images of the faces and license plates of motorists who speed in construction zones on Chicago area expressways and toll roads. Violators will face fines starting at $375.

RedFlex outfits radar- and photo-equipped vans that record speed and time of the violation and snap a photo of the plate of the offending auto. The company's red light system in Chicago has fixed cameras at 20 intersections, a total that is to grow to 30 by year's end.

Tickets are issued by mail to violators, who can pay by mail or contest the ticket at an administrative hearing.

Because the motorist cannot question a police officer at a hearing, tickets are similar to parking citations and are not counted as moving violations.

John Holevoet, director of development for the National Motorists Association, a drivers' rights group, questioned the accuracy of speed detection equipment in the camera systems now on the market as well as the motives of cities that use them to catch violators.

"A lot of motivation for a lot of municipalities, including Chicago, is money," Holevoet asserted. "The municipality that I know of that uses the van technology is Washington, D.C., and this is a city run by a mayor who openly admits that money is one of the key components of the program."

But aldermen on Monday insisted that revenue is not the motivation behind their interest in a neighborhood speed crackdown.

Critics "will say we are out to make money," Allen said. "That is baloney. ... I am out to enforce what's on the books and to change behavior."

RedFlex vans cost about $100,000.

Ald. Virginia Rugai (19th), who has complained frequently about speeding in her Southwest Side ward, said she would consider using part of the $1.2 million in annual neighborhood improvement funds she controls to buy a van if Allen's proposal ultimately wins approval.

In other action, the council's Aviation Committee advanced a plan to build a consolidated rental car facility that would house all eight rental operators at Midway Airport. Customers would be assessed a $3.75 daily charge to help defray the $60 million to $70 million cost of the building, to be developed next to the airport's parking garage.

The move would free up 375 spaces in the garage now used for storage by some of the Midway rental operators, would cut rental car traffic around the airport and reduce rental car shuttle bus traffic to the terminal, officials said. Construction would begin next year with completion in 2007.
 

EyeMNathan

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They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."
 

Quasmo

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Oh good save they children... OH WAIT how many children have thier cars registered under their name? HARDLY ANY! Thus the parent gets the ticket, and not the child. Am I not right?
 

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People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is there complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."

i could start my complaints with your spelling and grammar. also, as far as i know, this may be the first thing of its kind in the united states.
 

Originally posted by: Quasmo
Oh good save they children... OH WAIT how many children have thier cars registered under their name? HARDLY ANY! Thus the parent gets the ticket, and not the child. Am I not right?
Why does a kid have to have a car registered to him or her to benefit from the increased safety that red light cameras will provide?
 

EyeMNathan

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is there complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."

i could start my complaints with your spelling and grammar. also, as far as i know, this may be the first thing of its kind in the united states.


You forgot to capitalize "i" at the beginning of your first sentence.
You forgot to capitalize "a" in "also" at the beginning of your second sentence.
You forgot to capitalize "u" in "united" and the first "s" in "states."

Don't start being a grammar fascist with me; you'll lose.
 

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Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is there complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."

i could start my complaints with your spelling and grammar. also, as far as i know, this may be the first thing of its kind in the united states.


You forgot to capitalize "i" at the beginning of your first sentence.
You forgot to capitalize "a" in "also" at the beginning of your second sentence.
You forgot to capitalize "u" in "united" and the first "s" in "states."

Don't start being a grammar fascist with me; you'll lose.


pwned
 

MikeMike

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i think side streets w/ speeders are more dangerous than major roads. side streets normally are not as well maintained, have many many more houses/people on them and thye have kids its probably more important to peruse the side streets than major byways that are crowded w/ motorists.
 

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Soooo glad I live in NH. A legislator recently tried to bring up a bill to allow the use of red light cameras and photo radar (which are not allowed by state law), and it was shot down hardcore by all but a few members of the state legislature.

:D
 

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Soooo glad I live in NH. A legislator recently tried to bring up a bill to allow the use of red light cameras and photo radar (which are not allowed by state law), and it was shot down hardcore by all but a few members of the state legislature.

:D
I must live in NH, VT or OR at some point in my life. :)
 

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Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."


We are moving towards a society where an oppressive government can make any law it wants and they'll be able to monitor your behavior at all times. Trust me, you do *something* wrong. And they'll get you for it.

This is not about safety, this is about revenue.
 

"The police don't want to issue tickets because they don't want to sit in court and spend time ... to testify," said Ald. Burton Natarus (42nd).
awww, the poor little policemen don't want to do their jobs. wah wah wah.

If these were installed in my area, I would personally go around and shoot everyone down with my shotgun.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."


We are moving towards a society where an oppressive government can make any law it wants and they'll be able to monitor your behavior at all times. Trust me, you do *something* wrong. And they'll get you for it.

This is not about safety, this is about revenue.

So you're saying speeding on residential sidestreets isn't a safety issue?

What is the alternative to ticketing the living hell out of people?
 

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Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."


We are moving towards a society where an oppressive government can make any law it wants and they'll be able to monitor your behavior at all times. Trust me, you do *something* wrong. And they'll get you for it.

This is not about safety, this is about revenue.

So you're saying speeding on residential sidestreets isn't a safety issue?

What is the alternative to ticketing the living hell out of people?

Speed bumps. Islands. Those work quite well in all the residential areas in my state. When is the last time you saw a ricer speed over a 6" bump with their lowered Civic?
 

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These have been in my area for quite some time. It certainly makes more drivers more conscience about their speed without the presence of a human cop. However, the redlight camera is more questionable. It often snaps drivers while crossing the yellow light turning red. It became a saftely hazard because people were apparently getting rear-ended by immediate stops on yellow lights in fear of getting a measly ticket. So supposedly those being shut down in some parts. IMO its all about the money, hardly anyone in the right mind would ever crosses a solid red light, sure maybe cross it while its yellow turning to red at the instant, just a scam for the local/state governments to collect extra cash.

Agreed, we are moving into the "Big Brother" society, where we will lose our privacy for whatever sake.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."


We are moving towards a society where an oppressive government can make any law it wants and they'll be able to monitor your behavior at all times. Trust me, you do *something* wrong. And they'll get you for it.

This is not about safety, this is about revenue.

So you're saying speeding on residential sidestreets isn't a safety issue?

What is the alternative to ticketing the living hell out of people?

Speed bumps. Islands. Those work quite well in all the residential areas in my state. When is the last time you saw a ricer speed over a 6" bump with their lowered Civic?

I was actually thinking maybe the states should start revoking licences.
But they wont, because it is a revenue issue. Tickets dont make people drive smarter, they just make money for the state.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: EyeMNathan
They've been doing this for years now. If you don't want to get busted, don't break the law.

People like to complain about this sort of thing, but what is the complaint? "They didn't have to have a cop there to catch me so its no fair, I should be able to get away with stuff if they cant catch me in person."


We are moving towards a society where an oppressive government can make any law it wants and they'll be able to monitor your behavior at all times. Trust me, you do *something* wrong. And they'll get you for it.

This is not about safety, this is about revenue.

So you're saying speeding on residential sidestreets isn't a safety issue?

What is the alternative to ticketing the living hell out of people?

Speed bumps. Islands. Those work quite well in all the residential areas in my state. When is the last time you saw a ricer speed over a 6" bump with their lowered Civic?

I was actually thinking maybe the states should start revoking licences.
But they wont, because it is a revenue issue. Tickets dont make people drive smarter, they just make money for the state.

You get your license suspended/revoked after X number of tickets, or X MPH over the speed limit, in most states. There is nothing wrong with the current system. In my state, you have your license revoked for 30 days if you get more than 4 moving violations in 18 months (I believe...I'll look it up later). More tickets after that will suspend your license for longer periods or revoke your license.