Cop shoots at snake, kills boy, 5

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TravisT

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I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad.

Please allow me to tell you the real story. Some of the story is a bit skewed to make the situation appear better than what it really was.

First off, my dad took Austin and his younger brother down to his pond 2 or 3 times a week. It was something that Austin and my dad did together all the time. They enjoyed it and he died doing something he loved.

This particular day, my grandpa (Austin's great-grandfather) was also with them. They drove my dad's "Mule" (an all-terrain vehicle) to Austin's house which is actually just a neighbor to my parents but they set further back from the street than my parents. So, he picked up Dalton and Austin.

They were down at the pond for maybe 5 minutes feeding the fish and fishing at the same time as they normally do. My dad heard a gunshot and it hit the water about 4 ft in front of them. My dad yelled, "Hey, someone is shooting out here!" hoping that whoever had shot would hear him. Six seconds later, another shot was fired. My dad was actually turned looking across the pond because he thought the shots were coming from that way when actually the police officer was shooting from behind them about 100 yards away.

He turned and looked down, Austin, who was previously standing next to him was laying face-down on the dock bleeding horribly. At the time, Dalton, 2 years old, was scared of the noise and was actually about to get off the dock, my grandpa was actually going towards him. The only person that saw Austin fall was his younger brother who has repeatedly said "Bubba fall" for the last couple of days.

My dad, who is an attorney, thought that they were actually shooting at him because he does have several enemies being a trial attorney. He quickly picked Austin up, ran and put him in the back bed of the 4-wheeler. My grandpa must have went into immediate shock because my dad was trying to get him and Dalton up to the vehicle to and he was down there wandering around. After 15 seconds or so of yelling they finally came.

My dad rushed Austin to his parents house, which is about 150 yards from the pond. My sister was outside mowing and my dad told her than Austin had been shot. When looking at him they immediately knew he had no chance of survival. As my sister and brother-in-law were screaming and were in the process of calling 911, two police officers came out from behind some brush that was behind their house. They wondered where they came from, but they did not really think about it at the time. They still believed it was someone who was trying to kill my dad.

The police officer who did the shooting was actually there. They said that he didn't say a word. In fact, my sister was screaming "Please, you have to find who did this!"... he just nodded his head and said "we will". Those were about the only words that came out of his mouth.

The other police officer, a female cop, was actually going pretty bolistic. She was crying and saying "please, someone call my mother, i've been shot before and she prayed me through!".

Austin, 5 years old, died before he reached the hospital I believe.


Now, for what you want to hear: If my dad had instead of taking him to the pond had put him in the back of his car without a seatbelt and ran off the road somewhere and killed Austin there, he would maybe be sitting in jail right now, and would certainly be facing negligent homocide charges. What the police officer did is a lot worse.

Our family is grieving terribly, and what we have all said is that we don't want to see two lives lost over this deal. We know the officer has to feel terrible. He has not called and they probably have told him not to knowing that my dad is an attorney. But what we want everyone to know is that this situation should have never happened. Police officers need to be sent a message that if they pull their gun, it should be a life or death situation. This was not the case.

They recieved a call to go take care of snake that, despite what they put in reports, turns out to be a non-poisonous snake. The snake had gotten into a bird-house that was roughly 6 feet off the ground, certainly within reaching distance. It had eaten birds or eggs that were inside and its stomach was actually preventing it from going anywhere. This snake was not endangering anyones life at that point. The home owner had several gardening tools laying around directly where the bird house was when we walked over to see where the incident occurred. Instead of using the clippers or rake/hoe that was sitting next to the house, only about 10 ft away... this cop chose to pull his gun and fire two shots. It was completely unnecessary.

We fully admit that the police officer did this by accident. But we believe that if this guy didn't have a blue uniform, he wouldn't be protected as much as he is being. If this one of us or an average hunter out there, this would be a totally different situation. This officer was extremely careless.

Also, some reports describe the property this happened on as a country area. This was in the middle of town. Like my dad has said in a few reports, even if you don't count the houses that were behind the police officer when he shot, you could count more than 30 houses within a quarter of a mile. Yes, there was a pond here, yes, my dad has a little bit of acerage. But there was a good possibility that someone would have been in the area.

As well, he shot in the general direction of my brother-in-law who was working in a shop on a car. His bullet probably had to pass by this shop by only about 15 yards to reach the pond. And my sister was mowing next to the shop. Therefore, he had to have known people were in the area. He shot anyway and killed my 5 year old nephew. This man deserves jail time, maybe not prison time, but jail time. As well, he should NEVER be a police officer ever again. This is how our family feels.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad.

Please allow me to tell you the real story. Some of the story is a bit skewed to make the situation appear better than what it really was.

First off, my dad took Austin and his younger brother down to his pond 2 or 3 times a week. It was something that Austin and my dad did together all the time. They enjoyed it and he died doing something he loved.

This particular day, my grandpa (Austin's great-grandfather) was also with them. They drove my dad's "Mule" (an all-terrain vehicle) to Austin's house which is actually just a neighbor to my parents but they set further back from the street than my parents. So, he picked up Dalton and Austin.

They were down at the pond for maybe 5 minutes feeding the fish and fishing at the same time as they normally do. My dad heard a gunshot and it hit the water about 4 ft in front of them. My dad yelled, "Hey, someone is shooting out here!" hoping that whoever had shot would hear him. Six seconds later, another shot was fired. My dad was actually turned looking across the pond because he thought the shots were coming from that way when actually the police officer was shooting from behind them about 100 yards away.

He turned and looked down, Austin, who was previously standing next to him was laying face-down on the dock bleeding horribly. At the time, Dalton, 2 years old, was scared of the noise and was actually about to get off the dock, my grandpa was actually going towards him. The only person that saw Austin fall was his younger brother who has repeatedly said "Bubba fall" for the last couple of days.

My dad, who is an attorney, thought that they were actually shooting at him because he does have several enemies being a trial attorney. He quickly picked Austin up, ran and put him in the back bed of the 4-wheeler. My grandpa must have went into immediate shock because my dad was trying to get him and Dalton up to the vehicle to and he was down there wandering around. After 15 seconds or so of yelling they finally came.

My dad rushed Austin to his parents house, which is about 150 yards from the pond. My sister was outside mowing and my dad told her than Austin had been shot. When looking at him they immediately knew he had no chance of survival. As my sister and brother-in-law were screaming and were in the process of calling 911, two police officers came out from behind some brush that was behind their house. They wondered where they came from, but they did not really think about it at the time. They still believed it was someone who was trying to kill my dad.

The police officer who did the shooting was actually there. They said that he didn't say a word. In fact, my sister was screaming "Please, you have to find who did this!"... he just nodded his head and said "we will". Those were about the only words that came out of his mouth.

The other police officer, a female cop, was actually going pretty bolistic. She was crying and saying "please, someone call my mother, i've been shot before and she prayed me through!".

Austin, 5 years old, died before he reached the hospital I believe.


Now, for what you want to hear: If my dad had instead of taking him to the pond had put him in the back of his car without a seatbelt and ran off the road somewhere and killed Austin there, he would maybe be sitting in jail right now, and would certainly be facing negligent homocide charges. What the police officer did is a lot worse.

Our family is grieving terribly, and what we have all said is that we don't want to see two lives lost over this deal. We know the officer has to feel terrible. He has not called and they probably have told him not to knowing that my dad is an attorney. But what we want everyone to know is that this situation should have never happened. Police officers need to be sent a message that if they pull their gun, it should be a life or death situation. This was not the case.

They recieved a call to go take care of snake that, despite what they put in reports, turns out to be a non-poisonous snake. The snake had gotten into a bird-house that was roughly 6 feet off the ground, certainly within reaching distance. It had eaten birds or eggs that were inside and its stomach was actually preventing it from going anywhere. This snake was not endangering anyones life at that point. The home owner had several gardening tools laying around directly where the bird house was when we walked over to see where the incident occurred. Instead of using the clippers or rake/hoe that was sitting next to the house, only about 10 ft away... this cop chose to pull his gun and fire two shots. It was completely unnecessary.

We fully admit that the police officer did this by accident. But we believe that if this guy didn't have a blue uniform, he wouldn't be protected as much as he is being. If this one of us or an average hunter out there, this would be a totally different situation. This officer was extremely careless.

Also, some reports describe the property this happened on as a country area. This was in the middle of town. Like my dad has said in a few reports, even if you don't count the houses that were behind the police officer when he shot, you could count more than 30 houses within a quarter of a mile. Yes, there was a pond here, yes, my dad has a little bit of acerage. But there was a good possibility that someone would have been in the area.

As well, he shot in the general direction of my brother-in-law who was working in a shop on a car. His bullet probably had to pass by this shop by only about 15 yards to reach the pond. And my sister was mowing next to the shop. Therefore, he had to have known people were in the area. He shot anyway and killed my 5 year old nephew. This man deserves jail time, maybe not prison time, but jail time. As well, he should NEVER be a police officer ever again. This is how our family feels.

My condolences.
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AUMM

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad.

Please allow me to tell you the real story. Some of the story is a bit skewed to make the situation appear better than what it really was.

First off, my dad took Austin and his younger brother down to his pond 2 or 3 times a week. It was something that Austin and my dad did together all the time. They enjoyed it and he died doing something he loved.

This particular day, my grandpa (Austin's great-grandfather) was also with them. They drove my dad's "Mule" (an all-terrain vehicle) to Austin's house which is actually just a neighbor to my parents but they set further back from the street than my parents. So, he picked up Dalton and Austin.

They were down at the pond for maybe 5 minutes feeding the fish and fishing at the same time as they normally do. My dad heard a gunshot and it hit the water about 4 ft in front of them. My dad yelled, "Hey, someone is shooting out here!" hoping that whoever had shot would hear him. Six seconds later, another shot was fired. My dad was actually turned looking across the pond because he thought the shots were coming from that way when actually the police officer was shooting from behind them about 100 yards away.

He turned and looked down, Austin, who was previously standing next to him was laying face-down on the dock bleeding horribly. At the time, Dalton, 2 years old, was scared of the noise and was actually about to get off the dock, my grandpa was actually going towards him. The only person that saw Austin fall was his younger brother who has repeatedly said "Bubba fall" for the last couple of days.

My dad, who is an attorney, thought that they were actually shooting at him because he does have several enemies being a trial attorney. He quickly picked Austin up, ran and put him in the back bed of the 4-wheeler. My grandpa must have went into immediate shock because my dad was trying to get him and Dalton up to the vehicle to and he was down there wandering around. After 15 seconds or so of yelling they finally came.

My dad rushed Austin to his parents house, which is about 150 yards from the pond. My sister was outside mowing and my dad told her than Austin had been shot. When looking at him they immediately knew he had no chance of survival. As my sister and brother-in-law were screaming and were in the process of calling 911, two police officers came out from behind some brush that was behind their house. They wondered where they came from, but they did not really think about it at the time. They still believed it was someone who was trying to kill my dad.

The police officer who did the shooting was actually there. They said that he didn't say a word. In fact, my sister was screaming "Please, you have to find who did this!"... he just nodded his head and said "we will". Those were about the only words that came out of his mouth.

The other police officer, a female cop, was actually going pretty bolistic. She was crying and saying "please, someone call my mother, i've been shot before and she prayed me through!".

Austin, 5 years old, died before he reached the hospital I believe.


Now, for what you want to hear: If my dad had instead of taking him to the pond had put him in the back of his car without a seatbelt and ran off the road somewhere and killed Austin there, he would maybe be sitting in jail right now, and would certainly be facing negligent homocide charges. What the police officer did is a lot worse.

Our family is grieving terribly, and what we have all said is that we don't want to see two lives lost over this deal. We know the officer has to feel terrible. He has not called and they probably have told him not to knowing that my dad is an attorney. But what we want everyone to know is that this situation should have never happened. Police officers need to be sent a message that if they pull their gun, it should be a life or death situation. This was not the case.

They recieved a call to go take care of snake that, despite what they put in reports, turns out to be a non-poisonous snake. The snake had gotten into a bird-house that was roughly 6 feet off the ground, certainly within reaching distance. It had eaten birds or eggs that were inside and its stomach was actually preventing it from going anywhere. This snake was not endangering anyones life at that point. The home owner had several gardening tools laying around directly where the bird house was when we walked over to see where the incident occurred. Instead of using the clippers or rake/hoe that was sitting next to the house, only about 10 ft away... this cop chose to pull his gun and fire two shots. It was completely unnecessary.

We fully admit that the police officer did this by accident. But we believe that if this guy didn't have a blue uniform, he wouldn't be protected as much as he is being. If this one of us or an average hunter out there, this would be a totally different situation. This officer was extremely careless.

Also, some reports describe the property this happened on as a country area. This was in the middle of town. Like my dad has said in a few reports, even if you don't count the houses that were behind the police officer when he shot, you could count more than 30 houses within a quarter of a mile. Yes, there was a pond here, yes, my dad has a little bit of acerage. But there was a good possibility that someone would have been in the area.

As well, he shot in the general direction of my brother-in-law who was working in a shop on a car. His bullet probably had to pass by this shop by only about 15 yards to reach the pond. And my sister was mowing next to the shop. Therefore, he had to have known people were in the area. He shot anyway and killed my 5 year old nephew. This man deserves jail time, maybe not prison time, but jail time. As well, he should NEVER be a police officer ever again. This is how our family feels.

oh man, what are the odds.... so sorry for your loss, i agree the cop should definitely face jail time
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad..

my thoughts are with you and your family during this very difficult time.
 

GuitarDaddy

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TravisT I'm so sorry, my heart breaks for you families terrible loss. If there is any justice in the world, this officer will receive jail time for his irresponsible actions
 

Beev

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Wow, so his 2 year old brother watched him die before his eyes :(
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Originally posted by: TravisT
This man deserves jail time, maybe not prison time, but jail time. As well, he should NEVER be a police officer ever again. This is how our family feels.
My thoughts are with your family during this tragedy. And I agree with you 110%; this officer needs to be treated like any other member of society. He needs to be charged, convicted, sent to jail and stripped of his job, at minimum.
 

SludgeFactory

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That's about as bad as it gets. Absolutely, unimaginably horrible.

Sorry to hear about this TravisT. My condolences.

 

JD50

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Wow Travis, horrible story...
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Just makes me want to go hug my 5 year old.
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
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lmao charged with what? Maybe wreckless endangerment at most but certainly not manslaughter. This is just a ridiculous series of events that ended very badly.

If you're firing a weapon ANYWHERE, you check to see what's behind it. Even if it's an accident, there's still a five year-old boy who will never see his sixth.

I think manslaughter at the very least, possibly with a reckless endangerment charge for almost hitting the grandfather.

I imagine it was shaded brush behind the trees in a wooded area. He was negligent that is the limit of it. Also typically cops that are negligent in the line of duty are very rarely charged but he may be facing termination.

We can imagine all we want. None of us were there so who knows what the situation was. I just know that your average schmuck would likely be facing involuntary manslaughter.

Cops get way too much immunity for their actions. If anything, because of their training they should be held to higher standards, not lower ones than civilians.
I disagree, from a morale action standpoint I would agree but police are put in thousands of dangerous situations that could potentially end badly. I think the odds of a cop making a mistake is much higher than the common man and they should get some preferential treatment for 'crimes' that happen during duty. That is crimes that are not of an ethical type (stealing, drugs etc) that truly were accidents.

Are you kidding? They put themselves in dangerous situations. It's their choice to do that for a living. I respect them for making that choice, but that respect has a limit. A mistake is one thing, gross negligence is another.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: TravisT
this cop chose to pull his gun and fire two shots. It was completely unnecessary.

It's completely absurd and negligent that a cop would do that. This isn't Hollywood. You don't shoot out car tires, shoot door locks, or shoot into the air to get somebody's attention.

And i can understand that a cop lives a more dangerous life than us, so in some cases, their treatment should be different. But in a case like this, where their life certainly wasn't threaten, if anything they should be upheld HIGHER than the average citizen. If they were chasing a bad guy and killed an innocent bystander in the chase, that i could understand. If they accidentally mistaken a kid's toygun as a real gun, and killed the kid, i could understand. But this is nutjob shooting at a snake in a bird's house. If anybody should know about firearms and how to safely use them, IT IS THE POLICE.

As much as i hate cops, i don't think this should put him behind bars for the rest of his life. It was an accident, even if so highly negligent. And it sounds like this is a very small town, so most people know one another. Reading the AP article, i had the impression the cops were trying to sleeze their way out of this by being quiet, but from your story, it sounds like they were in shock. One was trying to get her mother to pray for the child, and the other was just too shocked to know what to do or say.

A person's character, past, and behaviour plays into the sentencing, and this was somebody whose life was protecting others, so i'm sure that will be a factor in it. He shouldn't ever wear a badge again, and i'm sure he's going to live the rest of his life with the burden that he killed a 5 yr old.

Anyways, thanks for sharing a more complete story Travis. And your family has my condolences.
 
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:frown::(

I've reposted your story TravisT on another forum to hopefully clarify some points like you have here. Hope you don't mind.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad.

Oh my gosh, just saw this when a post down further mentioned this.

So sorry Travis.

There is more discussion here than even the local news.

Of course the Media is shielding the police (big surprise).

There are a lot of people that have no business walking and chewing gum at same time much less being a police officer with a gun.

There is no way to bring your nephew back but hopefully there is closure and for your family.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I am pleased to see there is discussion about this story. I've been a long-time member of Anandtech and the boy killed here, Austin, was my sisters son, my nephew. The grandfather was my dad.
I can't say anything other than I'm very sorry about your family's loss. I have a 6 year old daughter that means the world to me and not a day goes by that I don't worry about her health and safety. To lose a child in this way would rip my heart out.

As for the incident itself, you described it very much as I imagined it happening, which is why I mentioned that the officer's actions were extremely reckless. I hope there is accountability for this tragedy; something that would never have occurred had the persons involved been responsibly handling their firearms.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: daveymark
Originally posted by: Atheus
And this, my dear inter-atlantic brothers, is why not *everyone* should be allowed to carry a firearm.

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i hate to agree with him.

someone who Fires a gun INTO a tree to kill a snake with no knowledge of what is behind it is negligent. someone like this should not have access to a gun.

it takes a little common sense to know not to fire the gun. if you don't have that then you shouldn't own a gun.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: waggy
Topic Title: Cop shoots at snake, kills boy, 5

WTF? so there is a snake in a tree and the cops decides to shoot it!?

Without knowing WTF is behind it?

Hey hey hey, you have to let some other states catch up to Georgia.




Sorry for the child and family :(

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Wow, you fucking douchebag, do you have to flaunt your agenda in every god damned thread?

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lupi

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
OK, the Grandfather has the right to be angry, but the cop can't be charged with murder. Murder implies intent. The cop didn't have any intent to kill the kid. Why the hell they were firing pistols is beyond me though. Just take out the shotgun, point blank on the snake into the stump and you're done and no one gets hurt.

By filing criminal charges against the officer all you're going to accomplish is ruining the lives of a second family. Putting him in jail is not the answer. Should he be removed from duty, Absolutely, he was wreckless with his weapon. He has the rest of his life to deal with how this will affect him mentally (though it might not be that long).
At most he would get negligent homicide, which is not murder.

And if this wasn't a cop you wanna give odds that the responsible person wouldn't have been locked up and charged that day.