'cop killer bullets' were spose to be a Hollywood invention, look at what deRussians have, not another bloody gun thread

[DABANSHEE]

Gyurza / Vector SR-1

 

[Genius]

Let's get this model into Counterstrike ASAP

 

[Mill]

Quite a powerful gun and shell.

 

[Ornery]

Hey DABANSHEE, I asked you this in another topic, but I guess you missed it:

• Got a question for DABANSHEE. If he doesn't answer it here, somebody ask him in a new topic. I don't care enough one way or the other to start a whole new topic about it.
  
  The question is, how is Australia doing with their new gun laws. I could be mistaken, but I heard they all had to turn in their guns. True? How's it going crime-wise?
  
  The Great Australian Gun Law Con

Still wondering what's going on down there.

 

[toph99]

thats one nice piece of hardware

 

[Tominator]

It's a POS Makarov with a specially designed bullet. Given a lathe and proper material, any competent gunsmith could make the bullet.

The French made a bullet from sintered bronze of a certain rockwell hardness. It was in the shape of a cone with a point. It would penetrate any class 3 vest. It is illegal to make this bullet in the US.

 

[Eli]

Guns are one type of hardware I know next to nothing about..

Why would I want to have vast knowledge of a killing machine? ...

 

[StageLeft]

LOL @ Genius CS rules eternal.

 

[vi edit]

Yay! Now lets just make it out of ceramic based materials so that we can cart it into airports and stuff. Hey that'd be grand!

 

[Double Trouble]

I know the US armed forces use depleted uranium in some of their tank shells and armor piercing rounds. Can someone with a little better knowledge of guns than I explain to me whether this would be possible with a handgun, and if so, what would the effect be??

 

[eia430]

Tominator, please explain the logic to using BRONZE as a penetrator round?? In my understanding tungsten carbide because of it's hardness makes for a good penetrator core, why use bronze?

 

[eia430]

tagj the millitary uses depleted uranium because of it's density and therfore ability to carry kinetic engergy. Having a denser round gives maximum kinitic engergy with minimum outside surface area (drag reduction) yields a round with greater range with greater kinetic punch when it arrives on target. I don't think it would benefit any in handguns because of the limited range of handgun encounters will benefit little from having a denser round. Also, since depleted uranium is still substantialy radioactive, having them in your pistol would be bad for your health.

 

[Ornery]

"...explain the logic to using BRONZE as a penetrator round?? "

It's so you don't ruin the barrel of your damn gun!

Hey DABANSHEE, you awake down there yet?

 

[eia430]

Ornery, tungsten carbide penetrator cores are just that, cores. They are encased in lead and a copper jacket. Once the round hits the outside portions (lead,copper) peel away and the pointed penetrator core keeps going because of it's sheer hardness and sharp point. So no, your barrel is not ruined by using armor piercing rounds.

 

[Ornery]

eia430, Tom was talking about how simple it would be to make one. Bronze would lend itself to that simple application.

 

[Redneck]

vi_edit,
The cermaic gun is a hollywood myth. AFAIK current ceramics can't withstand the pressures involved in firing a gun. Also glocks aren't plastic. The grame might be polymer but the slide, barrel and many other parts are still metal.

 

[DABANSHEE]

Orney, Those knee-jerk 'over the top' gun laws they introduced after that 'recessive' stole an Armalite & blastered 30 people away in Tasmania, have made buggerall difference to gun crime rates in Australia (see it just doesnt happen in the US, it happens elseware to, but useally about every 5 years, rather than on some lunar month shedule).

You have to remember there's only about 80 firEARM DEATHS A YEAR IN Oz (going by some chart I saw in the Australian Sporting Shooters Association website a while ago) so its hard to work out any short term effects as even if just one armed holdup went wrong it could mean a 5% change in the annual figures.
Even long term I don't think those laws would make more than a buggerall effect on firearm related crimes, because as everyone knows criminals don't comply with laws (even though most criminals don't have guns anyway). However as far as accidents & compulsive/impulsives acts are concerned there may be a small downward trend. You'll have to get back to me in about 20 years & I'll let you know.

I Personally think those laws went way over the top, they basically banned all semi-automatic rifles & all 'repeat firing' shotties (pumpies & semi-autos). Gez, they even went & banned, bloody .22 rimfire semi-autos, even though just about every cocky (what farmers are called down under) on the land owns one. At least the govt was paying above the odds for all weapons handed in, I got $200 for a old SKS I inherited. Personally I think it was a huge waste of tax payers money - the govt buying about a million firearms then just smelting them down.

 

[DABANSHEE]

"It's a POS Makarov with a specially designed bullet. Given a lathe and proper material, any competent gunsmith could make the bullet."

Ah Tominator, its got a polymer frame (a la Glock) & a 18 round mag, so no way is it a Makarov, besides the Makarov uses a 9x17mm round instead of a 9x21mm round.