Cop charged with murder after shooting

[Subyman]

As has been mentioned before, a patrolman in NYC makes ~$90k a year after 5 years on the force, before overtime.

Yes it's NYC so there's some salary inflation, but still.

Got a link to that? I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely curious.

 

[rudeguy]

Patrol cops or high ranking guys that push papers? If you are paying your patrol cops 100k, then wth.

Patrol.

It's possible that one of them even posts on this forum.

 

[BoberFett]

uh...it wasn't meant to be a fully exhaustive list. You can peruse youtube for many dashcam videos of cops getting blasted for no reason.

I'm only replying to this comment, so I don't understand the rest of your tirade.

You can peruse Youtube for many videos of cops blasting people for no reason. What's your point?

 

[BoberFett]

Because if you fell off a roof you probably did something stupid. Or if it was someone else being stupid it was probably just that and not malicious.

I excluded the accidents and felonious killings from that statistic, a LEO being injured in a traffic accident is probably a closer analogy to being injured in construction.

Viper GTS

I still fail to see how an injury being caused through maliciousness is any worse. A risk is a risk is a risk. Whether that risk is dealing with some criminal with a gun or a piece of construction equipment falling on you, the end result is the same.

 

[Ns1]

You can peruse Youtube for many videos of cops blasting people for no reason. What's your point?

that this statement is not true:

Why is it a firefighter will risk their lives for us but a cop wont?

 

[Blanky]

You guys are missing my point entirely. I'm not talking about the risk of getting killed (and yes it's far less than construction). I'm talking about repeatedly exposing yourself to situations with nothing but downsides for yourself. At least with construction or logging you are largely responsible for your own safety. You have some control over your own fate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/officers-assaulted/assaults_topic_page_-2013

I don't know a single person who has been injured in an assault at work, do you? A 3% chance of being injured in an assault while at work for $52k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

Viper GTS

If your point is that being a cop would suck, I agree, I think it's a shitty job overall. Pretty well every one you deal with is a piece of shit. Unless you're pulling somebody over for speeding, most of your calls involve domestic violence. I imagine if I did it for a while I'd start hating everybody. I think a lot of cops end up hating everybody.

 

[MrPickins]

http://www1.salary.com/Police-Officer-Salary.html

That's basically right at median household income for the US. This forum is full of people who make double to triple that sitting at a desk all day with the biggest threat to their lives lurking in the vending machines.

Maybe if the job paid enough to attract a different group of people we'd be better able to weed out the ones who are likely to be a problem.

Viper GTS

You're comparing personal income with household income.

Median wages in the US are somewhere around $30k/year. Based on your link, police average close to twice that amount.

Hardly " vastly underpaid"...

 

[Pipeline 1010]

If your point is that being a cop would suck, I agree, I think it's a shitty job overall. Pretty well every one you deal with is a piece of shit. Unless you're pulling somebody over for speeding, most of your calls involve domestic violence. I imagine if I did it for a while I'd start hating everybody. I think a lot of cops end up hating everybody.

I'm sure if I were a halfwit mongoloid I would hate everyone on earth because of what a very small percentage of them do, too.

 

[Ns1]

n/m, i'm stupid.

 

[Darwin333]

In other words you would rather have the taxpayers fund this guys defense because you believe he will have a better chance of getting convicted due to incompetent council. I on the other hand would prefer that the guy pay for his defense using GoFundMe, save the taxpayers a few dollars, get a good lawyer with a result less likely to overturned.

Evidently they are competent enough for the sheeple so I don't see how they'd be incompetent for this guy.

But by all means, if you feel that strongly about it you should donate to his fund. I figure if you and the 9 other people that think as you do all put up $100,000 each he will have the defense that you think he should have.

 

[Subyman]

Patrol.

It's possible that one of them even posts on this forum.

That's some hella cash plus government benefits.

 

[Subyman]

I still fail to see how an injury being caused through maliciousness is any worse. A risk is a risk is a risk. Whether that risk is dealing with some criminal with a gun or a piece of construction equipment falling on you, the end result is the same.

Yup. You are 2x more likely to die being a farmer than a cop.

 

[rudeguy]

n/m, i'm stupid.

I concur.

 

[Vic]

pig was pissed off that he actually had to run and do a little work so he let his bullets catch the perp instead?

You win for simplest explanation.

 

[her209]

You guys are missing my point entirely. I'm not talking about the risk of getting killed (and yes it's far less than construction). I'm talking about repeatedly exposing yourself to situations with nothing but downsides for yourself. At least with construction or logging you are largely responsible for your own safety. You have some control over your own fate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/officers-assaulted/assaults_topic_page_-2013

I don't know a single person who has been injured in an assault at work, do you? A 3% chance of being injured in an assault while at work for $52k a year sounds pretty crappy to me.

Viper GTS

Bouncers get paid less and are at greater risk because they aren't allowed to carry weapons. Piss off the wrong drunk customer(s), they walk to their car, grab their gun, and start shooting. Or customers start fighting in the establishment, run into the melee, get punched, kicked, hit/cut with broken glass, or possibly even stabbed.

 

[mchammer187]

I think we had this argument a while back, but lets say electrician lineman have an extremely difficult job and statistically very prone to injury/death...but they pretty much know exactly what they are doing and it is a very controlled environment. I'm pretty sure, if you asked a lineman if he would rather fix a detached high power line or respond to a domestic assault where someone was stabbed with a knife, he would rather work on the power line.

The danger is apples/oranges.

Your comparison makes no sense. I know I'd rather deal with an assault rather than work on an electric line not being a cop or electrician.

I know I'd rather be a cop than a a coal miner any day of the week.

Not saying cops have it easy but there are plenty of jobs that are much worse and more dangerous and the level of respect they demand is not commiserate to the job they do when comparing it to other jobs. The police's job is to protect and serve not retribution.

 

[JSt0rm]

that this statement is not true:

A cop walking up to a car window to write a ticket is not risking their life to save us. Sorry that doesn't disprove my statement.

And the north Hollywood thing is a bank heist in broad daylight on the street. Once in a 100 years.

How about cops surrounding columbine waiting for swat while kids died inside?

"There was no effort to confine (gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold) until they were long dead," Erickson said.
The result, he said, was that Harris and Klebold were able to kill 10 classmates in the school library and then commit suicide there. They had killed three others before entering the library.
One of those was teacher Dave Sanders. Erickson said SWAT teams didn't reach him until 3 p.m., about 3 hours after he was shot.
Erickson generally praised the officers who responded to the shootings. "Our effort is not to condemn anyone but find ways to prevent this from occurring again," he said.

^^^ sure buddy. More like fearful cops would rather not die.

 

[Ns1]

I've already disproved your statement and you agreed so just accept that your blanket statement was wrong and move on.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've already disproved your statement and you agreed so just accept that your blanket statement was wrong and move on.

I just did some Google fu for real data.

Deaths

Average is 3.5 per 100k

Police 4.9 per 100k

Fire 11.1 per 100k

http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfoi_rates_2011hb.pdf

So I guess fire is a riskier job. Unless you want to show different statistics.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm still kicking myself in the head for becoming a Journeyman Tool and Diemaker decades ago.

Used to be a high paying job, it's went into the toilet these days.

 

[JSt0rm]

I'm still kicking myself in the head for becoming a Journeyman Tool and Diemaker decades ago.

Used to be a high paying job, it's went into the toilet these days.

I guess you fall under construction, trades 26.8

You have like a 7 times riskier job then cops. We need to wrap you in the American flag and create institutions that shield you from wrong doing.

 

[Subyman]

I'm still kicking myself in the head for becoming a Journeyman Tool and Diemaker decades ago.

Used to be a high paying job, it's went into the toilet these days.

Switch to another trade?

 

[JSt0rm]

fuck the trades unless you are high end. You gotta be creative (like literally) to make money these days.

 

[Subyman]

fuck the trades unless you are high end. You gotta be creative (like literally) to make money these days.

Media-praised money perhaps, but there is always money to be made traditionally such as real estate, construction, transportation, and sales. Wiz-kid gets front page on Forbes, guy that started local garbage collection service and builds it into multi-million dollar business (my high school friend) doesn't get shit.

Problem is you can't sit on your MacBook Pro and come up with app ideas, you have to get your hands dirty and take real risks.

 

[JSt0rm]

Media-praised money perhaps, but there is always money to be made traditionally such as real estate, construction, transportation, and sales. Wiz-kid gets front page on Forbes, guy that started local garbage collection service and builds it into multi-million dollar business (my high school friend) doesn't get shit.

Problem is you can't sit on your MacBook Pro and come up with app ideas, you have to get your hands dirty and take real risks.

Live your dream buddy.