Cop beats man at traffic stop

[ch33zw1z]

The video starting where it did means nothing without the full context of what happened prior to what we have... You can make a lot of assumptions based on a lot of things, but they are still just assumptions, not facts.

And if only our Police operated under the same criteria.

 

[umbrella39]

Bad cop, Robocop has been charged with 2 felonies, drug charges and resisting arrest charges against Dent have been dropped.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/04/20/fired-inkster-cop/26067097/

 

[Pipeline 1010]

I wonder how the DA will ensure this scumbag goes free. Maybe overcharge him so the judge can throw out the charges mid trial? Or ensure a criminal defense attorney ends up as jury foreman like in the Kelly Thomas trial?

 

[rudeguy]

I wonder how the DA will ensure this scumbag goes free. Maybe overcharge him so the judge can throw out the charges mid trial? Or ensure a criminal defense attorney ends up as jury foreman like in the Kelly Thomas trial?

This is Detroit, don't think that they will try to hide the corruption. Cop will plead out on some sweetheart deal and serve next to no time. For sure he will not be convicted of a felony.

 

[NesuD]

Y'all realize that when you're only able to point to one or less incidents a day out of millions of police interactions per day that you're making the point that it really is "bad apples" out of thousands of orchards?

Right?

Hello?

Anyone there?

Actually these events are never acceptable no matter how infrequently they occur. More to the point here however is the documented fact that this cop was without doubt out of control. He has a documented history of questionable behavior going back more than 2 decades. He was literally run out of the Detroit police department. Who in their right mind would hire this cop with his history is beyond me.

 

[BUTCH1]

Actually these events are never acceptable no matter how infrequently they occur. More to the point here however is the documented fact that this cop was without doubt out of control. He has a documented history of questionable behavior going back more than 2 decades. He was literally run out of the Detroit police department. Who in their right mind would hire this cop with his history is beyond me.

You have to possibly think that his former employers might only give out dates of employment and nothing else and if he was not charged with a crime before nothing will show on the background screening.

 

[nickqt]

Actually these events are never acceptable no matter how infrequently they occur. More to the point here however is the documented fact that this cop was without doubt out of control. He has a documented history of questionable behavior going back more than 2 decades. He was literally run out of the Detroit police department. Who in their right mind would hire this cop with his history is beyond me.

My point was that posting a brand new thread, once every two days, seems to indicate that this is some kind of "bad apple" problem, given the amount of police-civilian interactions that happen every day.

It's easy to point out some brand new event and say, "See!", but without actual numbers, it is going to come across to a lot of people as isolated incidents.

Personally, I believe there is a problem. Hell, take a look at my avatar.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

My point was that posting a brand new thread, once every two days, seems to indicate that this is some kind of "bad apple" problem, given the amount of police-civilian interactions that happen every day.

It's easy to point out some brand new event and say, "See!", but without actual numbers, it is going to come across to a lot of people as isolated incidents.

Personally, I believe there is a problem. Hell, take a look at my avatar.

I think the fact that it happens at all, combined with the fact that THEY GET AWAY WITH IT over and over again, is significant. Regardless of prevalence, it's a huge issue.

A key takeaway from each of these incidents, is that usually there were multiple cops involved, not once ever did a single one of these valiant protectors of civilized society intervene, many times they all lied...ALL OF THEM, and their command structure and IA gave the stamp of approval. It's not isolated if ALL OF THEM participate, support the evil shit, or simply turn a blind eye. When that happens it's systemic, not isolated.

 

[Darwin333]

My point was that posting a brand new thread, once every two days, seems to indicate that this is some kind of "bad apple" problem, given the amount of police-civilian interactions that happen every day.

It's easy to point out some brand new event and say, "See!", but without actual numbers, it is going to come across to a lot of people as isolated incidents.

Personally, I believe there is a problem. Hell, take a look at my avatar.

Our point is that it is impossible to get actual numbers because the individual police departments are responsible for self reporting said numbers.

It would be like getting rid of the IRS and relying on people and companies to self report tax fraud. Who the hell would report themselves for tax fraud? Same thing applies with the police, we are expecting them to report how bad they themselves are.

 

[Darwin333]

You have to possibly think that his former employers might only give out dates of employment and nothing else and if he was not charged with a crime before nothing will show on the background screening.

Yet a normal everyday street cop can pull up every time you have been arrested (not convicted, just accused) in mere minutes but a police department can't figure out how many times a veteran cop they intend to hire has been accused??? Just another perk of being a cop that the rest of us don't get.

 

[Victorian Gray]

"bad apples" or broken system?

Police withheld video of officers laughing, mocking, re-enacting brutal beating of Floyd Dent

“He is bleeding like a sieve, there is blood everywhere,” said Rohl. “The officers don’t seem at all disturbed by what happened at the scene. They appear happy, pleased, even celebratory over the arrest of Floyd Dent—a man who was just beaten kicked and tased.

As the officers continue wiping Dents blood off them, an officer decides to do a little acting. He lies down on a bench and imitates Dent being on the ground at the scene choked by Officer William Melendez. His acting seems to thrill rather than disgust his audience.

At the same time, Dent is suffering from a closed head injury, broken ribs, and a fractured orbital but had not been allowed to see a doctor for his injuries."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...king-re-enacting-brutal-beating-of-Floyd-Dent

(video at link)

 

[JackBurton]

This is odd, I haven't seen very many if any "police abuse" cases against Asians. Weird. I wonder why. Ah, that's meaningless. Let's get back to the smoke and mirrors, and focus on "police abuse."

 

[mizzou]

I mean, rather than using anecdotes, couldn't someone research the actual number of complaints of police brutality over year over the 50 states? You'd still need to figure out which ones are multiple complaints against 1 officer to find the # of bad cops out there, assuming every single complaint is legitimate and not made up.

That would be an excellent thread.

These one every other day threads pointing at 1 cop is anecdotal evidence and don't make much of an argument for anything.

I already did that, nobody cares about the facts.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2420992&highlight=

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The video starting where it did means nothing without the full context of what happened prior to what we have... You can make a lot of assumptions based on a lot of things, but they are still just assumptions, not facts.

I was going to say... am I the only one here that is questioning this?

A news media outlet only starts it at that point (the part where the cops have to use physical force) when the previous parts do not go with their story. As in, it doesn't jive with the message they are trying to portray.

Then the entire article is interviewing the dude that got hit on. I'm sure this isn't going to be one-sided!

 

[Subyman]

This is odd, I haven't seen very many if any "police abuse" cases against Asians. Weird. I wonder why. Ah, that's meaningless. Let's get back to the smoke and mirrors, and focus on "police abuse."

Because someone breaks the law doesn't give the police the right to break the law as well. People want equal punishment for both criminals and the police that break the law. Right now, guy steals a case of beer immediately gets jail time while a cop that blasts a perp 11 times gets reassigned. Surely you see the difference here.

 

[Dari]

This is odd, I haven't seen very many if any "police abuse" cases against Asians. Weird. I wonder why. Ah, that's meaningless. Let's get back to the smoke and mirrors, and focus on "police abuse."

What are you trying to say?

 

[Brovane]

This is odd, I haven't seen very many if any "police abuse" cases against Asians. Weird. I wonder why. Ah, that's meaningless. Let's get back to the smoke and mirrors, and focus on "police abuse."

Does this count?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_of_Daniel_Chong

 

[JackBurton]

Because someone breaks the law doesn't give the police the right to break the law as well. People want equal punishment for both criminals and the police that break the law. Right now, guy steals a case of beer immediately gets jail time while a cop that blasts a perp 11 times gets reassigned. Surely you see the difference here.

Sometimes you have to fight fire, with fire. I'm not defending a criminal with a freakin' mile long rap sheet. Sorry. I have YET to see a case where death by police could have been prevented by FIRST OF ALL, not breaking the law and secondly, complying.

Now once we have cases where police are driving by shooting people for no reason, I'll take notice. Until then, we don't have a police abuse problem, we have detriments to society that pushed the limits of their lawlessness too far, and cry when things go wrong.

Despite what you may see on CNN and morons on YouTube beating the drum of "POLICE ABUSE," a LARGE silent part of America are looking at these incidents and seeing it for what it is, the black community shifting the blame on ANYONE and EVERYONE but themselves. It's smoke and mirrors, and people aren't taking the bait.

The core problem here is the core family values in black communities, NOT the police. As long as you refuse to address the REAL issue, these incidents will continue to happen and violence will only get worse. This is like trying to put out a fire by pointing the fire extinguisher at the smoke.

 

[JackBurton]

Does this count?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_of_Daniel_Chong

Why don't go ahead give me a chart of Asian police abuse cases vs abuse against black people to illustrate your point a little better.

 

[Brovane]

Why don't go ahead give me a chart of Asian police abuse cases vs abuse against black people to illustrate your point a little better.

You were the one trying to make a point. I just asked if my linked story counted as police abuse. I doubt the chart you are asking for even exists because LE community wouldn't want that to get out.

 

[Brovane]

Sometimes you have to fight fire, with fire. I'm not defending a criminal with a freakin' mile long rap sheet. Sorry. I have YET to see a case where death by police could have been prevented by FIRST OF ALL, not breaking the law and secondly, complying.

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All sorts of firsts for you today isn't it?

Dexter Herbert

In March 1989, police in Gardena, California conduct a no-knock raid on the home of Lorine Harris. Police officer Davie Mathieson, apparently startled by the flashbang grenade deployed by his fellow officers, accidentally fires his gun, striking and killing Harris's 20-year old son, Dexter Herbert. Herbert is unarmed. Sources: Lorine Harris v. Milton Grimes, 104 Cal. App. 4th 180 (2002). "News from Southern California," Associated Press, June 1, 2004.

Alberto Sepulveda

Early in the morning on September 13, 2000, agents from the Drug Enforcement Administration, the FBI, and the Stanislaus County, California drug enforcement agency conduct raids on 14 homes in and around Modesto, California after a 19-month investigation. According to the Los Angeles Times, the DEA and FBI asked that local SWAT teams enter each home unannounced to secure the area ahead of federal agents, who would then come to serve the warrants and search for evidence. Federal agents warn the SWAT teams that the targets of the warrants, including Alberto Sepulveda's father Moises, should be considered armed and dangerous. After police forcibly enter the Sepulveda home, Alberto, his father, his mother, his sister, and his brother are ordered to lie face down on the floor with arms outstretched. Half a minute after the raid begins, the shotgun officer David Hawn has trained on Alberto's head discharges, instantly killing the eleven-year-old boy. No drugs or weapons are found in the home. The Los Angeles Times later reports that when Modesto police asked federal investigators if there were any children present in the Sepulveda home, they replied, "not aware of any." There were three. A subsequent internal investigation by the Modesto Police Department found that federal intelligence evidence against Moises Sepulveda -- who had no previous criminal record -- was "minimal." In 2002 he pled guilty to the last charge remaining against him as a result of the investigation -- using a telephone to distribute marijuana. The city of Modesto and the federal government later settled a lawsuit brought by the Sepulvedas for the death of their son for $3 million. At first, Modesto Police Chief Roy Wasden seemed to be moved by Sepulveda's death toward genuine reform. "What are we gaining by serving these drug warrants?" Wasden is quoted as asking in the Modesto Bee. "We ought to be saying, 'It's not worth the risk. We're not going to put our officers and community at risk anymore.'" Unfortunately, as part of the settlement with the Sepulvedas, while Modesto announced several reforms in the way its SWAT team would carry out drug raids, there was no mention of discontinuing the use of paramilitary units to conduct no-knock or knock-and-announce warrants on nonviolent drug offenders. Sources: Rebecca Trounson, "Deaths raise questions about SWAT teams; Police: Accidents, deaths and raids at wrong addresses put pressure on departments to disband groups. Officers defend paramilitary units as effective when used properly," Los Angeles Times, November 1, 2000, p. A1. Ty Phillips and Michael G. Mooney, "How did the gun go off? Police report fails to answer question in SWAT shooting of Alberto Sepulveda," Modesto Bee, January 11, 2001, p. A1. Michael G. Mooney, "Boy's death costs Modesto $2.55M; Sepulveda family settles lawsuit filed against city after 11-year-old shot during SWAT drug raid," Modesto Bee, June 20, 2002, p. A1. Rebecca Trounson, "Suit could put limit on use of SWAT teams; Police: Lawyer for family of Modesto boy killed in raid to ask federal court to end role of the paramilitary units in drug cases," Los Angeles Times, January 16, 2001, p. A3.

 

[Subyman]

Sometimes you have to fight fire, with fire. I'm not defending a criminal with a freakin' mile long rap sheet. Sorry. I have YET to see a case where death by police could have been prevented by FIRST OF ALL, not breaking the law and secondly, complying.

Now once we have cases where police are driving by shooting people for no reason, I'll take notice. Until then, we don't have a police abuse problem, we have detriments to society that pushed the limits of their lawlessness too far, and cry when things go wrong.

Despite what you may see on CNN and morons on YouTube beating the drum of "POLICE ABUSE," a LARGE silent part of America are looking at these incidents and seeing it for what it is, the black community shifting the blame on ANYONE and EVERYONE but themselves. It's smoke and mirrors, and people aren't taking the bait.

The core problem here is the core family values in black communities, NOT the police. As long as you refuse to address the REAL issue, these incidents will continue to happen and violence will only get worse. This is like trying to put out a fire by pointing the fire extinguisher at the smoke.

NOPE. If we want to fight fire with fire then we need to change the laws to represent that. You can't have vigilante cops making their own rules and then the system giving them a pass. That is exactly what judge dredd was about.

Either everyone is protected under the constitution and US law or the entire system is a farce (hint, it is a farce.)

 

[JackBurton]

NOPE. If we want to fight fire with fire then we need to change the laws to represent that. You can't have vigilante cops making their own rules and then the system giving them a pass. That is exactly what judge dredd was about.

Either everyone is protected under the constitution and US law or the entire system is a farce (hint, it is a farce.)

There are several laws that should be changed. In Furgeson and Baltimore, a law should have been passed to allow citizens to protect their property with deadly force. Instead they were held hostage and vandalized by the community that was OUTRAGED by abuse. So let's focus on the REAL problem, so we can avoid incidents like this in the future. Again, spraying the smoke won't put out the fire. The real problem is the actual people. Shitty people that make excuses and put the blame on everyone but themselves. The lady slapping her son for rioting, part of the problem. She had SIX kids! How are you going to escape poverty if you keep digging a hole for yourself? This is a recipe for complete failure, and NO ONE wants to address the REAL problem. The black leaders instead focus on cops, governments, the man, whatever else EXCEPT for the REAL issue. You fix the community, you fix the cop "abuse" issue. The only way you're going to fix it though, is if you acknowledge the problem first.

Now I mention the black community, but you have similar things going on in the white community. You have your douchebags that like push cops' buttons, and then complain when they get stomped. Again, FU. I'm not going to back you for being an asshole. You played with fire, you got burned, deal with it.

I've had my run in with cops that were assholes, but never had an issue. Why? Because I didn't do stupid shit. COULD something have happened without provocation? Sure! However it is HIGHLY unlikely if you FIRST don't have a rap sheet, secondly, you don't antagonize the cop, and lastly, you comply. Pretty easy formula, but apparently this is REALLY difficult to follow. Failure to follow this basic formula, gets no sympathy from me. Sorry.

 

[Darwin333]

Now I mention the black community, but you have similar things going on in the white community. You have your douchebags that like push cops' buttons, and then complain when they get stomped. Again, FU. I'm not going to back you for being an asshole. You played with fire, you got burned, deal with it.

So you're cool with the cops committing felonies and getting away with it but the peasants better be fucking polite or else?

 

[Dari]

There are several laws that should be changed. In Furgeson and Baltimore, a law should have been passed to allow citizens to protect their property with deadly force. Instead they were held hostage and vandalized by the community that was OUTRAGED by abuse. So let's focus on the REAL problem, so we can avoid incidents like this in the future. Again, spraying the smoke won't put out the fire. The real problem is the actual people. Shitty people that make excuses and put the blame on everyone but themselves. The lady slapping her son for rioting, part of the problem. She had SIX kids! How are you going to escape poverty if you keep digging a hole for yourself? This is a recipe for complete failure, and NO ONE wants to address the REAL problem. The black leaders instead focus on cops, governments, the man, whatever else EXCEPT for the REAL issue. You fix the community, you fix the cop "abuse" issue. The only way you're going to fix it though, is if you acknowledge the problem first.

Now I mention the black community, but you have similar things going on in the white community. You have your douchebags that like push cops' buttons, and then complain when they get stomped. Again, FU. I'm not going to back you for being an asshole. You played with fire, you got burned, deal with it.

I've had my run in with cops that were assholes, but never had an issue. Why? Because I didn't do stupid shit. COULD something have happened without provocation? Sure! However it is HIGHLY unlikely if you FIRST don't have a rap sheet, secondly, you don't antagonize the cop, and lastly, you comply. Pretty easy formula, but apparently this is REALLY difficult to follow. Failure to follow this basic formula, gets no sympathy from me. Sorry.

So a mother with six kids, disciplining her son, is part of the problem? Or is it the six kids? Or the mother? Or the disciplining? Which is the problem here?