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[conehead433]

Originally posted by: QueBert
LOL poker is a game of luck, some noobs are lucky, beyond what's reasonable, one female I play against has a few months poker experince and I'm still not sure she understands every hand that wins/loose to another. Her luck is magical, I watch her suck out time and time again, she pushes all in with NOTHING or a runner runner straight/flush drag. She's dumb and plays dumb but she wins a sick amount of the time. You cannot play against because of her luck, and the fact she finds King Four off suit to be a "really good hand to play"

Personally I'd rather play Doyle Brunson than her, at least when I get beat by him it's legit and not some stupid ass chick who plays with no rhyme or reason and wins

Yep, he'll call you or go all in with 2 10 or 2 5 suited. Works for him though. I always fold that crap.

I forgot to mention he won the WSOP twice with 2 10.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: conehead433

Originally posted by: QueBert
LOL poker is a game of luck, some noobs are lucky, beyond what's reasonable, one female I play against has a few months poker experince and I'm still not sure she understands every hand that wins/loose to another. Her luck is magical, I watch her suck out time and time again, she pushes all in with NOTHING or a runner runner straight/flush drag. She's dumb and plays dumb but she wins a sick amount of the time. You cannot play against because of her luck, and the fact she finds King Four off suit to be a "really good hand to play"

Personally I'd rather play Doyle Brunson than her, at least when I get beat by him it's legit and not some stupid ass chick who plays with no rhyme or reason and wins

Yep, he'll call you or go all in with 2 10 or 2 5 suited. Works for him though. I always fold that crap.

I forgot to mention he won the WSOP twice with 2 10.

He also caught cards and was playing heads up with 10-2, hence why the hand has been named after him.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

noobs don't ever win big touneys because of the # of people who enter. Vanessa (lucky chick) wins at our local game because it's 1 table and 6-8 people total. WSOP you have thousands of people and have to come in first at many different tables. When it's just a single table noobs can do good, at a huge bunch not so much, nobody is that lucky

as far as playing like Doyle BAAAH! He rocks with Big Slick, I loose my ass off with Big Slick lol.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

noobs don't ever win big touneys because of the # of people who enter. Vanessa (lucky chick) wins at our local game because it's 1 table and 6-8 people total. WSOP you have thousands of people and have to come in first at many different tables. When it's just a single table noobs can do good, at a huge bunch not so much, nobody is that lucky

as far as playing like Doyle BAAAH! He rocks with Big Slick, I loose my ass off with Big Slick lol.

because he is able to fold AK when he is out of position to a raise.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

Someone on high stakes poker said it was 1 in 5 to make it after the flop, so thats why i said it. I looked it up and according to a PDF sheet its 1.86 to 1. Its not my math I was just saying what I saw on TV which either was wrong or im hearing things in my old age.

 

[conehead433]

If you have pocket suited cards and two cards of that suit hit on the flop you have a ~36% chance of hitting a flush on the next two cards. At the river if you missed on the turn you have a ~ 18% chance. That doesn't mean you'll have the best flush unless you're holding Ax suited.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Newbie tactics don't beat professionals per se, it's that newbie tactics take away the pros advantage and make the game essentially a coin flip. That's why hold 'em tournaments suck, you'll have a jillion clueless newbies who are pushing all in on every hand and whoever hits the most times wins. It's not a game of skill, it's a game of who can hit a hand on the flop.

 

[conehead433]

First step - Learn how to figure your chances of winning based on outs - that is the number of cards that can give you a winning hand. The easy way is to count the remaining cards in the deck that will give you a winning hand or a hand you consider very playable. I already mentioned the flush draw scenario so let's move on. Let's say you have an open ended straight draw after the flop and the flop cards are all of a different suit so there is little chance of a flush hitting. So the next card higher has 4 in the deck and the next card lower has 4 in the deck, so that's 8 total cards that would give you your straight. Bear in mind hitting the lower card may give you the straight, but it may not end up being the winning hand. So the easy way to figure your chances, and this isn't exactly the odds, but close enough is to multiply your outs by 4 on the turn and by 2 on the river. So if you have 8 outs after the flop your odds are ~32% of catching a straight on the next two hands. If you miss on the turn your odds are ~16% on the river. So if you have a pocket pair and don't hit on the flop you only have two outs, so your odds are ~8% and then ~4%.

Second step - Learn how to bet.

Third step - Learn how to read other players - even online.

I may be back with more info on these other steps later, I'm busy playing poker. I've finished in the money in 3 out of 3 tourneys today on Pokerstars.com.

 

[ManyBeers]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

Someone on high stakes poker said it was 1 in 5 to make it after the flop, so thats why i said it. I looked it up and according to a PDF sheet its 1.86 to 1. Its not my math I was just saying what I saw on TV which either was wrong or im hearing things in my old age.

The 1.86 to 1 is correct close to one in three.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

Someone on high stakes poker said it was 1 in 5 to make it after the flop, so thats why i said it. I looked it up and according to a PDF sheet its 1.86 to 1. Its not my math I was just saying what I saw on TV which either was wrong or im hearing things in my old age.

The 1.86 to 1 is correct close to one in three.

I am not a math guy but maybe they said 1 in 5 cause there were more then 2 people in the hand? I dont know if that matters or not but I thought I heard 1 in 5.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

Someone on high stakes poker said it was 1 in 5 to make it after the flop, so thats why i said it. I looked it up and according to a PDF sheet its 1.86 to 1. Its not my math I was just saying what I saw on TV which either was wrong or im hearing things in my old age.

The 1.86 to 1 is correct close to one in three.

I am not a math guy but maybe they said 1 in 5 cause there were more then 2 people in the hand? I dont know if that matters or not but I thought I heard 1 in 5.

You should really rethink about how good you are at poker.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: ManyBeers

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: WaTaGuMp

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Pros HATE the flood of people that have come to the WSOP just cause they have cash or played online to get in free. I agree with them 100% also I have seen 1st hand how bad people play. I use to play blackjack ALOT and trust me people do NOT understand the game, hell Vegas wasnt built off winners.

I was playing over at Poker Stars recently and telling people little tips like you only make a flush 1 out of 5 times when drawing to it after the flop. So people started counting the hands, next thing you know its hey I didnt make a flush again. I had to explain further its 1 in 5 AFTER the flop and you have 4 cards to the flush, thats when they are like oh ok lol.

Those people dont understand pot odds, whats the worst starting hand to playis, what position is etc etc. I have gotten a few compliments from people that I have taught some things while playing over there, so I must know something about the game.

1/5? and you are teaching people odds?

Beat me to it. He needs to double check his calculations.

Someone on high stakes poker said it was 1 in 5 to make it after the flop, so thats why i said it. I looked it up and according to a PDF sheet its 1.86 to 1. Its not my math I was just saying what I saw on TV which either was wrong or im hearing things in my old age.

The 1.86 to 1 is correct close to one in three.

I am not a math guy but maybe they said 1 in 5 cause there were more then 2 people in the hand? I dont know if that matters or not but I thought I heard 1 in 5.

You should really rethink about how good you are at poker.

You are entitled to your opinion, like I said im not a math guy, but when I play I see my laydowns and most of the time I make the right call. I also buy alot of pots with bluffs, I am not a pro but I dont suck at the game no matter what you may think. I understand I can always get better just like you prob can even though you seem to think you are better then me.

 

[conehead433]

Originally posted by: conehead433
First step - Learn how to figure your chances of winning based on outs - that is the number of cards that can give you a winning hand. The easy way is to count the remaining cards in the deck that will give you a winning hand or a hand you consider very playable. I already mentioned the flush draw scenario so let's move on. Let's say you have an open ended straight draw after the flop and the flop cards are all of a different suit so there is little chance of a flush hitting. So the next card higher has 4 in the deck and the next card lower has 4 in the deck, so that's 8 total cards that would give you your straight. Bear in mind hitting the lower card may give you the straight, but it may not end up being the winning hand. So the easy way to figure your chances, and this isn't exactly the odds, but close enough is to multiply your outs by 4 on the turn and by 2 on the river. So if you have 8 outs after the flop your odds are ~32% of catching a straight on the next two hands. If you miss on the turn your odds are ~16% on the river. So if you have a pocket pair and don't hit on the flop you only have two outs, so your odds are ~8% and then ~4%.

Second step - Learn how to bet.

Third step - Learn how to read other players - even online.

I may be back with more info on these other steps later, I'm busy playing poker. I've finished in the money in 3 out of 3 tourneys today on Pokerstars.com.

OK so I just finished in the money for the fourth tome today. So read this.

 

[warmodder]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: warmodder
So if you're saying that noob tactics beat the so called professionals in typical situations--wouldn't it be prudent to say join a tourney with all these experts and just act like a beginner? You'd by your own admission make a killing.

Maybe I should go to vegas and just start calling every picture card hand I get. All those wsop wanna-be's will shit there pants.

Newbie tactics don't beat professionals per se, it's that newbie tactics take away the pros advantage and make the game essentially a coin flip. That's why hold 'em tournaments suck, you'll have a jillion clueless newbies who are pushing all in on every hand and whoever hits the most times wins. It's not a game of skill, it's a game of who can hit a hand on the flop.

This makes sense. By learning the tricks you effectively turn it into a game of skill. I actually think pro tactics are often foiled by noobish pitfalls. Chess for example takes a certain degree of anticipation so a beginner making completely unpredictable moves taking away an important advantage.

 

[hellokeith]

Originally posted by: warmodder

This makes sense. By learning the tricks you effectively turn it into a game of skill. I actually think pro tactics are often foiled by noobish pitfalls. Chess for example takes a certain degree of anticipation so a beginner making completely unpredictable moves taking away an important advantage.

Nope, there is very little chance in chess. I've wiped the floor with my nephew since he was 5. He's 10 now and still hasn't beat me, but can beat his parents. Making unpredictable moves in chess will put you on defense real quick.. not a good place to be against an experienced player.

 

[aplefka]

If I felt like I could probably statistically disprove at least half of your claims. But I really don't feel like it at all.

Instead I'll just say not to go on tilt when this happens. Last time I went to the casino I got the best cards of any single session ever and I lost all my money in under 15 minutes. No joke. We're talking AA twice, KK twice, AKs once, AK twice, KQs twice, as well as a few others that I don't remember as well anymore (surprised I don't still, I was so pissed after that night that I had them all memorized for weeks). In fact, that only hand I played that night that wasn't face cards was a J5s on the big blind.

Sometimes things just don't go your way. Not much you can do about it. Except not playing online poker for virtual cash, because that'll only ruin your game.