Cooking with less than 15 amps.

[Squisher]

I've got power tools that have 20 amp plugs. A quick google search yields -

You know I've never seen anything with that 20 amp plug either. It's good to know there is something that actually uses that t-shaped plug, because over the last 30 years or so I've probably wired in a hundred 20 amp lines and outlets and I was getting a little worried that this was just some joke by the NEC, and I'm a bit of a tool buff too.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It's the #1 toaster oven, that's why. I'll be using this thing as my sole cooking thingy for over 3 years!

I've had my current one for almost 5 years. For that price, I could have replaced mine every other year.

For a poor college student, you're stupid too.

 

[Howard]

120*15 = 1800.

I believe you're not supposed to use more than 80% of a breaker's nominal rating on a regular basis.

 

[Minerva]

I believe you're not supposed to use more than 80% of a breaker's nominal rating on a regular basis.

Shit when we were growing up we only had a pullout fuse main (60A) and five screw in fuses. When it got real cold and we used heaters the fuse would blow but it was no problem! The fix cost one cent. Yeah put a penny under the fuse and that kept that heater pumping all night long. Asbestos wire insulation FTW.

 

[NL5]

I believe you're not supposed to use more than 80% of a breaker's nominal rating on a regular basis.

Not. Biting. This. Time.

 

[ShawnD1]

Shit when we were growing up we only had a pullout fuse main (60A) and five screw in fuses. When it got real cold and we used heaters the fuse would blow but it was no problem! The fix cost one cent. Yeah put a penny under the fuse and that kept that heater pumping all night long. Asbestos wire insulation FTW.

It's fun when people do that then burn their house down. Blowing a fuse at 15A sucks, but you can run probably 1000A through a penny before it will melt.

Another thing you can illegally do is run fuses or breakers in parallel. Forget 15A, now we can do 30A!

I believe you're not supposed to use more than 80% of a breaker's nominal rating on a regular basis.

Don't worry brah, the ratings they put on things are bullshit anyway. Over the holidays I was using my mom's hair dryer to dry my shoes, and I noticed the label said 1875 watts. How the heck does that work? 1875 / 120 = 15.6 amps?? No it doesn't have the special 20R connector on it. It's a standard 15R plug. Either that hair dryer is illegal because Chinese people suck at engineering (likely) or they're just making shit up (also likely)

 

[Howard]

Not. Biting. This. Time.

I kind of caught a glimpse of the rest of the thread (posted my reply after reading only a couple of posts) but I'm pretty sure a breaker running at 100% load will trip after a while.

EDIT: Myabe I'm wrong.

 

[0roo0roo]

I've had my current one for almost 5 years. For that price, I could have replaced mine every other year.

For a poor college student, you're stupid too.

yea 30 40 bucks gets you a nice one. if that 250 dollar unit were huge inside then yes, it would rock, but it is the same freakin size. the heating element on these things are hardly high tech, they are all just glorified toasters.

 

[Minerva]

It's fun when people do that then burn their house down. Blowing a fuse at 15A sucks, but you can run probably 1000A through a penny before it will melt.

Another thing you can illegally do is run fuses or breakers in parallel. Forget 15A, now we can do 30A!



Don't worry brah, the ratings they put on things are bullshit anyway. Over the holidays I was using my mom's hair dryer to dry my shoes, and I noticed the label said 1875 watts. How the heck does that work? 1875 / 120 = 15.6 amps?? No it doesn't have the special 20R connector on it. It's a standard 15R plug. Either that hair dryer is illegal because Chinese people suck at engineering (likely) or they're just making shit up (also likely)

Well the scary thing was those WERE 30A fuses. Time delay type. The lights would go off for a min or two then they would come back on. They came out with mini breakers which instead of blowing they had a button in the middle that would pop out like the thermometer that says the turkey is done. Still suck because the heater goes out and it gets cold. Penny makes it stick! I've seen what happens when there's a short too. The lamp cord looks like fuse and starts sparking and shooting flaming balls like some wannabe roman candle. Pops would pull out the main block and it would roar like a lion and the entire box around where it was yanked had soot on it. The contacts don't take doing that too many times but hey if you don't pull it SOON the house WILL burn down!

 

[ShawnD1]

The contacts don't take doing that too many times but hey if you don't pull it SOON the house WILL burn down!

Alright new idea. Instead of putting a penny, jumper it with a very fine wire. It would allow you to overload it, but it will melt the wire if you get a huge surge.

Same idea behind a fuse, but fuses are deliberately made to different holder sizes so you can't accidentally mix them up like that. A 15A fuse might be the size of your pink while a 30A is the size of your thumb; one does not fit in the other. Putting an alligator clip across has no size issues

 

[NL5]

I kind of caught a glimpse of the rest of the thread (posted my reply after reading only a couple of posts) but I'm pretty sure a breaker running at 100% load will trip after a while.

EDIT: Myabe I'm wrong.

You're trying to apply the NEC rule for breaker sizing to a T/C curve. Two separate things. The 80% rule is for sizing breakers on a continuous load circuit. An oven is NOT a continuous load.

 

[Minerva]

Alright new idea. Instead of putting a penny, jumper it with a very fine wire. It would allow you to overload it, but it will melt the wire if you get a huge surge.

Same idea behind a fuse, but fuses are deliberately made to different holder sizes so you can't accidentally mix them up like that. A 15A fuse might be the size of your pink while a 30A is the size of your thumb; one does not fit in the other. Putting an alligator clip across has no size issues

LOL that reminds me of people that got their meter stolen taking hacksaw blades and putting them into the socket with pliers! Imagine shorting that shit out while doing it!

The cart type fuses can be wrapped in tinfoil and re-used. Hell we did that in the car when at the beach and the blower we had plugged into the ciggy lighter socket blew the fuse. No way could we blow up all those inflatables with lung power. Never tried a .22LR cart for a fuse though.

 

[ShawnD1]

You're trying to apply the NEC rule for breaker sizing to a T/C curve. Two separate things. The 80% rule is for sizing breakers on a continuous load circuit. An oven is NOT a continuous load.

pfffft you only say that when your furnace is working properly. As soon as that thing screws up, you'll run the oven continuously
(I'm calling this one right now. Trident/Fleabag's next thread will be about using the oven to heat his apartment)

The cart type fuses can be wrapped in tinfoil and re-used.

lol. So simple but it would totally work!

Never tried a .22LR cart for a fuse though

The beauty of bullet fuses is that a short circuit would heat the cartridge/primer and likely cause the bullet to go off. It's like an alarm almost.

 

[olds]

In the Army, we used to cut a beer can in half, pour some Isopropyl alcohol in it and cook over that.

 

[NL5]

pfffft you only say that when your furnace is working properly. As soon as that thing screws up, you'll run the oven continuously
(I'm calling this one right now. Trident/Fleabag's next thread will be about using the oven to heat his apartment)

You got me on that one!

 

[ShawnD1]

In the Army, we used to cut a beer can in half, pour some Isopropyl alcohol in it and cook over that.

Outside of the army, we call this a fondue.
I've always used methanol for this, but wikipedia seems to suggest that isopropanol might have a bit more zing to it.

The trend among alcohols is that longer chains and straighter chains have a higher energy density by weight, so isopropyl would either burn harder or it would just burn longer. Harder and longer is always good. The only bad part is that longer molecules also tend to burn blacker. I don't want anything long and black near my food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion

 

[0roo0roo]

In the Army, we used to cut a beer can in half, pour some Isopropyl alcohol in it and cook over that.

hobostove

 

[Howard]

Outside of the army, we call this a fondue.
I've always used methanol for this, but wikipedia seems to suggest that isopropanol might have a bit more zing to it.

The trend among alcohols is that longer chains and straighter chains have a higher energy density by weight, so isopropyl would either burn harder or it would just burn longer. Harder and longer is always good. The only bad part is that longer molecules also tend to burn blacker. I don't want anything long and black near my food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_of_combustion

Racist.