Cooking the books - Election style.

[HTFOff]

Census ‘faked’ 2012 election jobs report

In the home stretch of the 2012 presidential campaign, from August to September, the unemployment rate fell sharply — raising eyebrows from Wall Street to Washington.

The decline — from 8.1 percent in August to 7.8 percent in September — might not have been all it seemed. The numbers, according to a reliable source, were manipulated. And the Census Bureau, which does the unemployment survey, knew it. Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy. And a knowledgeable source says the deception went beyond that one employee — that it escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.

“He’s not the only one,” said the source, who asked to remain anonymous for now but is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.
The Census employee caught faking the results is Julius Buckmon, according to confidential Census documents obtained by The Post. Buckmon told me in an interview this past weekend that he was told to make up information by higher-ups at Census.

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

BWAHAHA this is too good.

Percentage of americans offended by this - 50%

Percentage of americans surprised by this - 0%

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Not only do they have a reliable source, they have a knowledgeable source as well. Damning stuff.

 

[glenn1]

Not enough to impact the election. Still, if proven then fire those responsible, put them on trial for fraud, and revoke their pensions and other benefits. This sort of naked politicization of supposedly non-partisan government functions should be dealth with swiftly and severely.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Let me know when they have an actual source, you know, something verifiable so I can get outraged with some supporting information.

 

[BoberFett]

Let me know when they have an actual source, you know, something verifiable so I can get outraged with some supporting information.

Meh, partisan hacks will never believe anything bad about their party anyway, so what's the point?

My team good, your team bad.

Next.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Meh, partisan hacks will never believe anything bad about their party anyway, so what's the point?

My team good, your team bad.

Next.

In this case it looks more to me like this will be another example where of anything negative happens anywhere within government, Obama is directly responsible no matter how removed he is and must be impeached. But a good thing, like bin Laden as an example that he actually had direct involvement in had nothing to do with him and he deserves absolutely no credit whatsover in any way.

 

[xBiffx]

In this case it looks more to me like this will be another example where of anything negative happens anywhere within government, Obama is directly responsible no matter how removed he is and must be impeached. But a good thing, like bin Laden as an example that he actually had direct involvement in had nothing to do with him and he deserves absolutely no credit whatsover in any way.

In before Bober asks how Obama's rectum tastes. Which is absolutely appropriate here.

 

[BoberFett]

In this case it looks more to me like this will be another example where of anything negative happens anywhere within government, Obama is directly responsible no matter how removed he is and must be impeached. But a good thing, like bin Laden as an example that he actually had direct involvement in had nothing to do with him and he deserves absolutely no credit whatsover in any way.

That happens with every president. The actions of every government employee was the direct result of Bush. And Clinton. The party believes all good stems from their president, and all bad stems from the other party's president.

People are just stupid.

 

[werepossum]

Hmm, looks like I need to hunt up my "shocked face" JPEG.

 

[Attic]

http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/

BWAHAHA this is too good.

Percentage of americans offended by this - 50%

Percentage of americans surprised by this - 0%

Yea, this sums it up nicely.


Number of folks knew that the jobs numbers were being manipulated (the crazies as they were called by, um the enlightened ones?, lol). Realizing the jobs numbers were manipulated didn't require anything other than taking your blinders off. The two party systems main goal is to keep blinders on as many people as possible even if opposing sides are focused on different things, main goal is to keep them blind from the important stuff (corruption and theft and murder) Thank god the jobs numbers don't impact major policy and election decisions, right?

Even something this damning will be defended and so tolerated and so as it has before, it will continue. The true die hard progressives and their counter parties on the right live by "the ends justify the means" mantra, so as long as the manipulation servs their intentions it's not only tolerated it's an accepted tool. But it's not an RorD thing, it's a government thing, this behavior is what government when grown too large gravitates towards.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Let me know when they have an actual source, you know, something verifiable so I can get outraged with some supporting information.

/holds my breath waiting for this to break on MSNBC so you believe it.
/dies of hypoxia waiting.

 

[trenchfoot]

Let's not forget the legion of loyalist gov't workers that are still there on the job that Bush/Cheney put in place directly or indirectly. They too have the ability to monkey around with gov't statistics for their side's advantage.

 

[poofyhairguy]

The true die hard progressives and their counter parties on the right live by "the ends justify the means" mantra, so as long as the manipulation servs their intentions it's not only tolerated it's an accepted tool.

What do you expect when modern politics is team jingoism and brinkmanship?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Hmm, looks like I need to hunt up my "shocked face" JPEG.

 

[Attic]

Gotta wonder with the Feds dual mandate if they were let in on the manipulation factor so they could factor their QE policy appropriately.

I'm thinking they were either let in on it or were smart enough to sniff it out due to their continuation of 85billion of money printing that is supposedly tied to the jobs environment.

I'm thinking one thing,

this shit is,…

B,…



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as in republic.

 

[monovillage]

I'm shocked, shocked!
Who would have thought that government workers and a government agency would deliberately falsify information?

 

[chucky2]

Who cares? The US electorate re-elected Obamney, instead of electing Robama. WTF is the difference? What, there's surprise the books were cooked to paint a picture the Gov wanted painted? WhoTF would be surprised at that? Isn't that like a known thing that it's always cooked numbers and always the picture the Gov wants/can get painted?

This is like saying, Someone peed in Lake Michigan, Lake Michigan is wet! No sh1t there dude, it was wet and polluted before, during, and after.

 

[Attic]

Who cares? The US electorate re-elected Obamney, instead of electing Robama. WTF is the difference? What, there's surprise the books were cooked to paint a picture the Gov wanted painted? WhoTF would be surprised at that? Isn't that like a known thing that it's always cooked numbers and always the picture the Gov wants/can get painted?

This is like saying, Someone peed in Lake Michigan, Lake Michigan is wet! No sh1t there dude, it was wet and polluted before, during, and after.

How do you explain so many defenders of the numbers when folks spoke out against them?

We can take for granted that folks who think the government has integrity in it's numbers are fooling themselves, but we can't take for granted these people don't exist, make policy, and vote.

 

[fskimospy]

lol, it in no way surprises me that a blog post citing anonymous sources and making vague, unsourced allegations and presenting no data has sent the resident conservatives into a tizzy! There is no sourced information and nowhere even remotely close to the kind of factual information that could be used to actually make some sort of judgment about this.

You guys will literally swallow anything so long as it tells you something you want to hear. Does your gullibility have ANY limits whatsoever?

EDIT: My favorite part is that I constantly hear from conservatives about the government:
The government said it? LIES
Bloggers citing anonymous sources making vague allegations? SUPER TRUE

 

[xBiffx]

You guys will literally swallow anything so long as it tells you something you want to hear. Does your gullibility have ANY limits whatsoever?

Unlike you, Obama's cock is off limits. So please stop posting misinformation.

Sure, there is nothing sourced in the article, but until there is a retraction or another source stating otherwise I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Not saying swallow it either, but its worth consideration and pondering, which is what most are doing.

 

[fskimospy]

How do you explain so many defenders of the numbers when folks spoke out against them?

We can take for granted that folks who think the government has integrity in it's numbers are fooling themselves, but we can't take for granted these people don't exist, make policy, and vote.

Sure, I'll go on the record right now saying that even if this turns out to be true it will have little to no effect on the overall jobs picture presented during that time. Not only is the sourcing on this incredibly thin, but as with inflation and other measures the government's numbers are broadly independently corroborated by other sources.

Real skepticism involves skepticism towards things even if it tells you things you want to be true.

 

[fskimospy]

Unlike you, Obama's cock is off limits. So please stop posting misinformation.

Sure, there is nothing sourced in the article, but until there is a retraction or another source stating otherwise I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Not saying swallow it either, but its worth consideration and pondering, which is what most are doing.

There's nothing to dismiss at this point as there's no way anyone could draw a single meaningful conclusion from what's written there.

As for what other people are doing, you should re-read this thread. People are not 'pondering and considering' it, most posting here have already swallowed the story whole because it tells them something they want to believe.

 

[HTFOff]

Looks like Jack Welch may have been right. (for now)

As for his claim that the "orders" came specifically from the WH - that remains to be seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vittgkiJ_ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvF622sKTi0

 

[chucky2]

How do you explain so many defenders of the numbers when folks spoke out against them?

Useful sheeple, people who actually think they're in the know but aren't, people who are in the know but are removed from the actual data collection (done by many) so don't really know if the data is good but just have to trust it, people who have something to gain from numbers they somehow know are cooked, etc. Example: I'm in an Org of a few thousand. I could cook the numbers that Leadership (all the way up to the CIO, and up from there if the CIO chooses to use them for something) uses, and for the numbers that I report on, no one would really know...or, know to catch it. Leadership is removed from collecting the numbers (they don't even know how to do it), and all they need are plausible explainable reasons - especially so when it's positive numbers (and doubly so when it's positive numbers Leadership actually wants), which are under far less scrutiny than negative numbers. The other lemmings here have their own sh1t to do, they're not paying attention to what I generate, nor do they care.

Now apply this to the largess that is the Gov.

We can take for granted that folks who think the government has integrity in it's numbers are fooling themselves, but we can't take for granted these people don't exist, make policy, and vote.

Oh, I know. Never said otherwise. I don't care if it's a Rep or Dem in charge, I just take for granted the numbers are whatever they're choosing to put out for whatever reason they're putting them out. They're the actually accurate numbers today? Super. Tomorrow when they're not? Super. What they want to be will be, we're just along for the ride. Thinking otherwise is profoundly naive.

 

[xBiffx]

There's nothing to dismiss at this point as there's no way anyone could draw a single meaningful conclusion from what's written there.

As for what other people are doing, you should re-read this thread. People are not 'pondering and considering' it, most posting here have already swallowed the story whole because it tells them something they want to believe.

All I can say is you are guilty of exactly what you blame other's for, seeing something you want to believe based on something you've read.