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AMDZen

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: AMDZen
I figured out the answer after reading Lola's post:

You need to invent a time machine, go back in time when women actually still appreciated their men (some may still today but the % is lower then 20) and when you could easily make enough to support your family with a single good job.

Then your meal is ready when you get home from work. "Honey I'm home" and bam, the dinner table is set and the food is either ready or will be in 5-10 mins.

But seriously, what you want won't happen until we can make robots that do this. Which won't be too much longer, mind you - the "Robot Chef" will just cost a bit. You can get on your blackberry/computer when you leave work, and program what you want your robot to cook that night and even tell it when to start so that its ready as soon as you get home

Do you really believe that robots will ever be able to do what I do as a Chef? Wow. Maybe you think robots will be able to create good music and art too. Or perhaps, you're one of the folks who are happy living and working in their cubes as long as it's newer/higher tech/different color than their neighbors cube.

Until we have robots and someday create AI (which yes I believe will probably happen) who are you to say that robot's won't be able to do that?

Personally, I bet a robot chef will be able to prepare food better then most people - 99% even, so unless you're an iron chef doing battle in the dome then I'd say that robots may very well be able to cook better then you. Someday. The very first one, no, but robotics will evolve just like any technology. Its mostly math / science any way, with a little art - yes, but mostly just calculations based on the ingredients.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: AMDZen
I figured out the answer after reading Lola's post:

You need to invent a time machine, go back in time when women actually still appreciated their men (some may still today but the % is lower then 20) and when you could easily make enough to support your family with a single good job.

Then your meal is ready when you get home from work. "Honey I'm home" and bam, the dinner table is set and the food is either ready or will be in 5-10 mins.

But seriously, what you want won't happen until we can make robots that do this. Which won't be too much longer, mind you - the "Robot Chef" will just cost a bit. You can get on your blackberry/computer when you leave work, and program what you want your robot to cook that night and even tell it when to start so that its ready as soon as you get home

Do you really believe that robots will ever be able to do what I do as a Chef? Wow. Maybe you think robots will be able to create good music and art too. Or perhaps, you're one of the folks who are happy living and working in their cubes as long as it's newer/higher tech/different color than their neighbors cube.

Until we have robots and someday create AI (which yes I believe will probably happen) who are you to say that robot's won't be able to do that?

Personally, I bet a robot chef will be able to prepare food better then most people - 99% even, so unless you're an iron chef doing battle in the dome then I'd say that robots may very well be able to cook better then you. Someday. The very first one, no, but robotics will evolve just like any technology. Its mostly math / science any way, with a little art - yes, but mostly just calculations based on the ingredients.

Bwahahahaha at the perception that an example of the best Chefs are those of the Iron Chefs on TV.

I have already stated that good food is 80% science and 20% art. We can argue those percentages but, my point is that, unless you are willing to settle for whatever the next food trend stuffed down your throat by the corporations is, you will never eliminate the need for human Chefs.

I believe like you that real AI will be created. What I don't believe is that the AI will have, what I and many others call, a soul. I believe the human soul is the key to great art/music/food and cannot be easily defined or measured. This is why many scientific folks readily dismiss the impact or value that the unmeasurable factors have.
 

Ares2600

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I don't think there's much to FIGHT about here, though that sentence doesn't mean much on ATOT.

Those that love cooking don't need to keep banging their drum here. Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it must be done. It's like saying we can't develop photos in a darkroom in black and white because we also have digital cameras. Cook to your heart's content. I know I will. But wouldn't it rock to be able to have something healthy/hot/delicious instantly sometimes?

Magnus I don't think anyone is calling for the downfall of human chefs. OP has no issues with the output of this mechanism to simply be a copy of something dreamed up by a chef. Cooking is art.. we all get it.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Originally posted by: Ares2600
I don't think there's much to FIGHT about here, though that sentence doesn't mean much on ATOT.

Those that love cooking don't need to keep banging their drum here. Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it must be done. It's like saying we can't develop photos in a darkroom in black and white because we also have digital cameras. Cook to your heart's content. I know I will. But wouldn't it rock to be able to have something healthy/hot/delicious instantly sometimes?

Magnus I don't think anyone is calling for the downfall of human chefs. OP has no issues with the output of this mechanism to simply be a copy of something dreamed up by a chef. Cooking is art.. we all get it.

I guess I am overly sensitive about cooking good food both because, I am passionate about it and because, every day there is someone asking over and over and over again for something "easy and nutritious and great tasting and doesn't take too much time!"

It doesn't exist period.

I'll put it in a form the folks here can more easily understand. I want a PC that can play Crysis at max settings at high resolution, uses a 350 watt PSU, comes in custom colors and can be delivered in two days. Do we all get it?
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
I guess I am overly sensitive about cooking good food both because, I am passionate about it and because, every day there is someone asking over and over and over again for something "easy and nutritious and great tasting and doesn't take too much time!"

Are you willing to become a cyborg who requires no food, or rest, and are willing to move to Cleveland, OH?

 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Any food worth cooking, takes time. I love cooking, and when I make thanksgiving dinner, I start at 5am and the birds out at 1(ish), I usually make the stuffing the night before. Cooking is cathardic, when done well, you really have a sense of accomplishment. I try to keep my grandmother in mind when I cook, she was 5' 0", and ALWAYS had a huge meal waiting for my family (minimum of 5 people), from appetizers to home made lemon meringue pie. no place I've ever tried it comes close to hers. She's been gone close to 20 years now, but I can still smell the roast cooking and start to salivate, I hope food is never instantaneous. It won't be worth eating.

Amen.
PSA cathartic

i like to do my thanksgiving like this as well. brine the bird people!

 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: spidey07
What you need is an Advantium oven. Love mine. It's an oven that cooks with 1500 watts of lightbulb power, PLUS also a microwave. You can have a tasty quail dinner with roast veggies in under 10 minutes.

http://www.geappliances.com/pr...ntium/feature_gallery/

WANT

ok so it cooks faster, but did your utility bill change noticeably in either direction?

not that it matters, im broke, but curious :)
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you need is an Advantium oven. Love mine. It's an oven that cooks with 1500 watts of lightbulb power, PLUS also a microwave. You can have a tasty quail dinner with roast veggies in under 10 minutes.

http://www.geappliances.com/pr...ntium/feature_gallery/

WANT

ok so it cooks faster, but did your utility bill change noticeably in either direction?

not that it matters, im broke, but curious :)

While a badass oven, this is not the device I'm looking for :(
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: QueBert
"Chili Cheese Fries" and BOOM I have them instantly. Pressing a button can lead to Carpal Tunnel and you'd have to press a series of buttons to get food. Unless there was a "random" button and pressing it lead to a mystery meal.

Best idea yet.

"Random" button sounds SUPER awesome.
 

Kelvrick

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Iono if this sexist remark has been added yet, but its called a woman.

You don't even have to press a button. She gets the food ready or you'll press (punch) the button (face).

Either way, its called delivery. Pizza, chinese food, mexican food.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: lokiju
I see replicators on ST:TNG and always think "WTF do we have this yet?"

Damn Sci-Fi setting high expectations.
Screw that, I see the Holodecks and wonder, "Why are they not being used for the most obvious thing???"


Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: TruePaige
But what if there were a substitute for properly cooked food.

Screw cooking, I just want a hot, tasty meal.

You buy your computers from Dell, don't you?
You don't need to build a new computer every few days though. :p


Originally posted by: Ares2600
I don't think the robot is going to be winning stars in Zagat's, but I'm sure we can/will figure out how to replicate your average Applebee's and TGI Friday's fare, which I'm sure is more than enough to satisfy. The line cooks there aren't exactly culinary school graduates.

Either way it's not fast enough. OP will be waiting a long time for their replicator. People are satiated by the garbage they can get now. There's no market for this when people actually choke down the processed crap I see at the grocery store.
Patience. :)
I'm surprised that they don't already have some sort of robots doing the work at McDonalds, or else something that's otherwise mechanized. Robots or machinery can work faster than a person, and they don't complain nearly as much.

I'm certain that in time, robots will exceed our capabilities, not just in terms of cooking.



Originally posted by: QueBert
"Chili Cheese Fries" and BOOM I have them instantly. Pressing a button can lead to Carpal Tunnel and you'd have to press a series of buttons to get food. Unless there was a "random" button and pressing it lead to a mystery meal.
Voice-activation, dammit!

 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you need is an Advantium oven. Love mine. It's an oven that cooks with 1500 watts of lightbulb power, PLUS also a microwave. You can have a tasty quail dinner with roast veggies in under 10 minutes.

http://www.geappliances.com/pr...ntium/feature_gallery/

WANT

ok so it cooks faster, but did your utility bill change noticeably in either direction?

not that it matters, im broke, but curious :)

No more than any other oven (without any preheating), it's only on for a bit and the lamps aren't on constantly unless you set it to the "nuke it from orbit" setting.

OP - this oven will give you what you want. Frozen food that tastes like it's made in an oven but it's done in 5-10 minutes.
 

TheInternet1980

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you need is an Advantium oven. Love mine. It's an oven that cooks with 1500 watts of lightbulb power, PLUS also a microwave. You can have a tasty quail dinner with roast veggies in under 10 minutes.

http://www.geappliances.com/pr...ntium/feature_gallery/

WANT

ok so it cooks faster, but did your utility bill change noticeably in either direction?

not that it matters, im broke, but curious :)

No more than any other oven (without any preheating), it's only on for a bit and the lamps aren't on constantly unless you set it to the "nuke it from orbit" setting.

OP - this oven will give you what you want. Frozen food that tastes like it's made in an oven but it's done in 5-10 minutes.

This however, does not improve the deliciousness of the ingredients. Most frozen food does not meet the delicious criteria unfortunately. Preparation still required for a hot, delicious meal in 5-10 minutes @ maximum. :(
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
This however, does not improve the deliciousness of the ingredients. Most frozen food does not meet the delicious criteria unfortunately. Preparation still required for a hot, delicious meal in 5-10 minutes @ maximum. :(

Now you're just being dense. Frozen foods are for the most part already cooked, seasoned and generally pretty decent if you know what to look for. If by preparation you mean taking out of a box, well then you got me.

But I've got delicious in under 10 minutes.
 

dawp

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
This however, does not improve the deliciousness of the ingredients. Most frozen food does not meet the delicious criteria unfortunately. Preparation still required for a hot, delicious meal in 5-10 minutes @ maximum. :(

Now you're just being dense. Frozen foods are for the most part already cooked, seasoned and generally pretty decent if you know what to look for. If by preparation you mean taking out of a box, well then you got me.

But I've got delicious in under 10 minutes.

The OP is being an ass and what he wants won't exist until he's long dead, if then.

Try Marie Calander's, most of those are pretty good.
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Ares2600
I don't think there's much to FIGHT about here, though that sentence doesn't mean much on ATOT.

Those that love cooking don't need to keep banging their drum here. Just because something CAN be done doesn't mean it must be done. It's like saying we can't develop photos in a darkroom in black and white because we also have digital cameras. Cook to your heart's content. I know I will. But wouldn't it rock to be able to have something healthy/hot/delicious instantly sometimes?

Magnus I don't think anyone is calling for the downfall of human chefs. OP has no issues with the output of this mechanism to simply be a copy of something dreamed up by a chef. Cooking is art.. we all get it.

I guess I am overly sensitive about cooking good food both because, I am passionate about it and because, every day there is someone asking over and over and over again for something "easy and nutritious and great tasting and doesn't take too much time!"

It doesn't exist period.

I can cook up meals in about 5 minutes on my Wok that are easy, nutritious, and great tasting ;)
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
Originally posted by: xSauronx
Originally posted by: spidey07
What you need is an Advantium oven. Love mine. It's an oven that cooks with 1500 watts of lightbulb power, PLUS also a microwave. You can have a tasty quail dinner with roast veggies in under 10 minutes.

http://www.geappliances.com/pr...ntium/feature_gallery/

WANT

ok so it cooks faster, but did your utility bill change noticeably in either direction?

not that it matters, im broke, but curious :)

While a badass oven, this is not the device I'm looking for :(

http://www.turbochef.com/residential/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-yzIe_6HZY
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: TheInternet1980
Originally posted by: QueBert
"Chili Cheese Fries" and BOOM I have them instantly. Pressing a button can lead to Carpal Tunnel and you'd have to press a series of buttons to get food. Unless there was a "random" button and pressing it lead to a mystery meal.

Best idea yet.

"Random" button sounds SUPER awesome.

How bout an "I'm Feeling Lucky" button :laugh:
 

Kaido

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Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
^ Humans are machines as much as anything else. We're bio-electrical in configuration. To what do you attribute you're ability to create art/music/food/etc as a human?

The ability to be inspired by and share in the love of creating new art/music/food that transcends the mere combining of previous works.

Well we can agree to disagree. I don't attribute love or inspirations as characteristics bound solely to humans - mostly because I don't have any evidence to prove that they are. These characteristics on a base level are simply situational reactions that could be made by anything with a certain level of thinking ability.

See that's the thing...cooking is a creative outlet, but not everyone enjoys being creative in that way or are even good enough at it to enjoy it. I've gotten the same reaction with my Smart House stuff...for example, I have these little Roomba vacuums that clean my floors. People say, 'Why not just vacuum and do your chores and stop being a slouch?' Well, I have no interest in vacuuming, cleaning my place is NOT fun or enjoyable to me, and besides, people a few hundred years ago didn't have vacuums, so it's not like it's necessary to life or essential to character building or anything like that. The point is, some people enjoy cooking and some people just want hot, tasty food and there's nothing wrong with either desire.

I think an automatic MRE storage unit would be ideal...have pre-made, quality MRE's with a retrieval and heating system. It'd require either delivery or stocking, but you could easily store a year's worth of meals in your basement and just whack a button whenever you're hungry. Busy professionals, elderly people, lazy people, financially-constrained people, and people who don't enjoy cooking as a pastime could all benefit from a system like this.
 

dawp

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
naked male chef ftw

Are you sure about that? You might want to be a little more specific. I don't think any old male would do. :p
 

torpid

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Originally posted by: Kaido
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Pale Rider
^ Humans are machines as much as anything else. We're bio-electrical in configuration. To what do you attribute you're ability to create art/music/food/etc as a human?

The ability to be inspired by and share in the love of creating new art/music/food that transcends the mere combining of previous works.

Well we can agree to disagree. I don't attribute love or inspirations as characteristics bound solely to humans - mostly because I don't have any evidence to prove that they are. These characteristics on a base level are simply situational reactions that could be made by anything with a certain level of thinking ability.

See that's the thing...cooking is a creative outlet, but not everyone enjoys being creative in that way or are even good enough at it to enjoy it. I've gotten the same reaction with my Smart House stuff...for example, I have these little Roomba vacuums that clean my floors. People say, 'Why not just vacuum and do your chores and stop being a slouch?' Well, I have no interest in vacuuming, cleaning my place is NOT fun or enjoyable to me, and besides, people a few hundred years ago didn't have vacuums, so it's not like it's necessary to life or essential to character building or anything like that. The point is, some people enjoy cooking and some people just want hot, tasty food and there's nothing wrong with either desire.

I think an automatic MRE storage unit would be ideal...have pre-made, quality MRE's with a retrieval and heating system. It'd require either delivery or stocking, but you could easily store a year's worth of meals in your basement and just whack a button whenever you're hungry. Busy professionals, elderly people, lazy people, financially-constrained people, and people who don't enjoy cooking as a pastime could all benefit from a system like this.

Roombas are a really bad example. You still have to go through some effort when you use them. The roomba does not clean itself. Plus, you have to prep each room you clean with it so it doesn't die a horrible death.
 

nomrah

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OP - I hope this never gets invented just to spite you. Being lazy is fine, but then complaining about how there isn't something to facilitate your laziness? I hope you starve to death, which you might not be far off from at 125 lbs.