Cookies affect online prices

DrPizza

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Last week, I saw mention in Reader's Digest (it was a gift subscription) that talked about how retailers are able to use your IP address & cookies to help determine what price to charge you online. They didn't say it was actually happening yet though.

They implied that, for instance, if your IP address pointed to a relatively affluent area, you might be charged a little bit more. Or, depending on what sites you've visited or how many times you've been on their site, they might charge a little more or a little less.

I just saw on the Consumer Reports blog site where this is now happening. Someone with cookies for Hotwire was shown one price ($48.95) to rent a standard car per day, but upon clearing cookies, the price to rent the same car was $27.95 per day. http://consumerist.com/2012/11/01/what-a-difference-a-few-browser-cookies-can-make-when-you-shop/

(And don't forget, most people don't even have a clue that flash cookies act like cookies, but aren't called cookies, and certainly aren't cleared when they clear their cookies - unless they are savvy enough to have add-ons to do that for them.)

Now, I've noticed that over the past few years, the number of "hot deals" has gone down significantly. In fact, most of the younger members may not even have a clue what "hot deal" used to mean. (It used to mean that after you purchased $150 worth of stuff, used your $30 off $150 coupon, submitted rebates, etc., you ended up with an extra $10 in your pocket, and a big pile of stuff for free. Now, it seems to mean, "hey, the xbox is regularly $299.99, now it's on sale for $294.99, omgwowz, I've never seen it that low." - less than 2% off barely qualifies as even a lukewarm deal.

I think one thing that killed the hot deals is the proliferation of websites that point these things out to people with nothing better to do than hit F5 all day, hoping that some company will honor an error on their site. Perhaps this actually spells that there might be some hotter deals in the future - deals that are only available for people smart enough to clear cookies, or edit cookies, tweak their DNS, use proxies, etc.
 

Red Squirrel

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What I'd like to see is a feature in firefox to only accept 3rd party cookies for the session then delete them, but non 3rd party cookies would expire when they're set to expire. I hate how it's all or nothing. You also can't outright block 3rd party cookies since lot of sites wont work properly without them enabled.

Also did not know this either. I recall hearing about it but did not realize it was really in the works.
 

DesiPower

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oh now I need cookie... the vending machine has some awesome oatmeal resin ones... brb...

on a more serious note, I have heard about this, and not only cookies, your device matters too, if you visit a travel site from iOS you will be shown higher prices. I have my browser set to clear cookies upon close, and I clear flash cookies too, but I don't think there is any way around the IP thing, unless you use proxy. I dont think I live in an affluent hood so I guess I am OK in that department... but good PSA OP :thumbsup:
 
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DaveSimmons

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Saw the thread title and thought it was about the cookies you eat. Disappointing news either way.

Same here, I was hoping for a wacky example of "correlation is causation!" bad research :)

Cookies and accounts are used the other way too though: Amazon will offer me a slight extra discount on the deal of the day page for things they think I might buy on impulse. Newegg sends discounts based on your browsing history.
 

DrPizza

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Same here, I was hoping for a wacky example of "correlation is causation!" bad research :)

Cookies and accounts are used the other way too though: Amazon will offer me a slight extra discount on the deal of the day page for things they think I might buy on impulse. Newegg sends discounts based on your browsing history.

That's the point - could there be a new means of gaining hot deals - edit your own cookies, so that NewEgg gives you a better price?
 

ImpulsE69

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I've been waiting for this to happen. I think it is sleazy and can't wait for an equally sleazy exploit for it.
 

OverVolt

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This is interesting. I just checked a "for dummies" book at home one day and it was $11. I checked the price on campus and it was $18. Guess everyone in my zipcode REALLY is a dummy as I suspected.

That and college students just cannot blow their loans fast enough to save their lives.
 

bfdd

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Yes this is a thing and it sucks donkey cock. It happened to me with Expedia once, just hopped on another PC and got the better price and lol'd
 

SagaLore

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I just saw on the Consumer Reports blog site where this is now happening. Someone with cookies for Hotwire was shown one price ($48.95) to rent a standard car per day, but upon clearing cookies, the price to rent the same car was $27.95 per day. http://consumerist.com/2012/11/01/what-a-difference-a-few-browser-cookies-can-make-when-you-shop/

That has been happening for awhile. Not too long ago that happened to me with another site that competes with hotwire. Someone in another office was looking at the same itinerary at the same time and their price was considerably less. Another tactic is they keep incrementing the price if you keep visiting the deal. I remember reading an article awhile ago that noted certain sites were caught charging more if your referral info indicated you were an apple owner.
 

DrPizza

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That was my first thought - this is great! How do I game the system for the best prices?

Is it ethical for a company to say, "hey, those college students have loans for $800 worth of books. Let's stick it to them."?

I find that by charging different customers different prices, simply based on where they live, invites all sorts of discriminatory practices.
 

Meractik

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so.... I can IP spoof that I am in Detroit Michigan and get the lowest best deal possible?
 

SparkyJJO

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That has been happening for awhile. Not too long ago that happened to me with another site that competes with hotwire. Someone in another office was looking at the same itinerary at the same time and their price was considerably less. Another tactic is they keep incrementing the price if you keep visiting the deal. I remember reading an article awhile ago that noted certain sites were caught charging more if your referral info indicated you were an apple owner.

Well of course. They figure if you're on an apple you have more money than brains :p

/runs and hides
 

SagaLore

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Is it ethical for a company to say, "hey, those college students have loans for $800 worth of books. Let's stick it to them."?

I find that by charging different customers different prices, simply based on where they live, invites all sorts of discriminatory practices.

I think it should be illegal.
 

lxskllr

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I think it should be illegal.

I don't. If you like the price you buy, and if you don't you don't. That's the way things have always worked, and not everyone gets the best deal. It's like a technological China, where your skill in bartering is based on exploiting technology, rather than being a BS artist.
 

CPA

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I think it should be illegal.

Why? I know that service companies are going to charge me more based on where I live. It comes with the territory. I don't like it, but what am I going to do when my AC goes out in 105 degree summer day? Bid it out? Nope, I'm going to pay up the nose.