Convincing Anti-Drug War E-mail by Harry Browne (one of those crazy Libertarians :))

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If All Drugs Were Legal (Gasp!) . . .

by Harry Browne

The Drug Warriors' biggest argument against
medical marijuana is that it's only the opening
wedge in a movement toward total legalization of
drugs. So, supposedly, we have to "nip it in the
bud" -- in the words of Deputy Barney Fife, the
nation's first Drug Czar.

What if the Drug Warriors are right?

What if legalizing medical marijuana turned out to
be the first step on a journey that ended in the
outright repeal of every drug law? What would
America be like?

Understandably, many Americans fear that with no
drug laws, we would have hundreds of thousands of
addicts, crack babies, children trying drugs, and
other evils. _But that's what we have now_.

Let's Assume the Worst . . .

If all drugs were legal, addicts would no longer
pay black-market prices to criminals for drugs of
questionable and dangerous origin. They would get
drugs produced by legitimate pharmaceutical
companies and pay market prices. They would no
longer die from buying toxic drugs, and they would
no longer have to mug innocent people to support
their habits.

If all drugs were legal, addicts could seek help
by going to doctors -- no longer afraid of being
prosecuted for their medical problems.

If all drugs were legal, criminal drug dealers
would no longer be on our streets. They couldn't
compete with the low, free-market prices for drugs
sold at pharmacies.

If all drugs were legal, criminal drug dealers
would no longer prey upon our children -- any more
than distilleries and breweries try to infiltrate
schools to hook kids on alcohol. When I grew up in
Los Angeles in the 1940s, the worst schools were
safer than L.A.'s best schools are today.

If all drugs were legal, our government would no
longer be dispensing propaganda that makes
children want to try the forbidden fruit.

Reducing Street Violence

If all drugs were legal, our prisons would be
emptied of hundreds of thousands of non-violent
people who have never done harm to anyone else. No
longer would over-crowded prisons cause truly
violent criminals to be free on early release and
plea bargains to terrorize the rest of us.

If all drugs were legal, law-enforcement resources
would be available to fight violent crime, instead
of being used to chase people who may harm
themselves but are no threat to us.

If all drugs were legal, much of the street
violence would end -- as it did when Alcohol
Prohibition ended -- because gangs of thugs would
no longer be fighting over drug territories.

If all drugs were legal, police corruption would
diminish, because criminals could no longer use
black-market drug money to gain immunity by
subverting weak policemen.

If all drugs were legal, the government could no
longer use the Drug War as an excuse to tear up
the Bill of Rights and pry into your bank account,
strip-search you at an airport, tear your car
apart, monitor your email, or seize your property
without even charging you with a crime.

Why Do We Know This?

Why do I think America would be like this if all
drugs were legal?

Because that's the way it was before the drug laws
were passed. Yes, there were people whose lives
were destroyed by drugs then -- just as some
people today destroy their lives with drugs,
alcohol, financial mistakes, or various character
weaknesses -- but far fewer people lost their
lives to drugs when they were legal.

And America's streets were peaceful.

Has America changed since then? Of course it has.
But cause-and-effect relationships don't change.
Force still begets force. Government programs
still lead to unintended and destructive
consequences.

Relegalizing drugs would put a stop to those
destructive consequences -- end the criminal black
market, end the violence, end the incentive to
hook children, and end the production of toxic
drugs that kill people.

We have to quit being afraid of the unknown, and
instead recognize what we do know -- that the Drug
War is doing enormous harm to society.

If we care about our children, if we care about
our cities, if we care about our country, we have
to end the insane War on Drugs.
 

Spoooon

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"If all drugs were legal, our government would no
longer be dispensing propaganda that makes
children want to try the forbidden fruit."
Well, there may be people out there doing it because it's against the law, but the vast majority of drug users are in it for an escape. Perhaps instead of a war on drugs, there should be a war on the conditions that encourage drug use, ie poverty, depression, etc.
However, instantly legalizing drug use isn't the way to go. Could you imagine not only worrying about drunk drivers, but high ones? No doubt there will be way more users if it's legal and available at the pharmacy. Are you comfortable with the idea of our military and police being
allowed to use drugs? Or your children?
He makes some good points, but all in all, legalizing drug use is a bad idea.
 

Khameleon

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I certainly agree. This is very similar to the arguments made by New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson (Republican) in many speeches and interviews over the past couple of years. The War on Drugs hasn't done anything to curb use or abuse, except to make it criminal. It's easier to obtain crack or heroin than it is to obtain marijuana (trust me I know). It's easier for kids to obtain illegal drugs than to obtain alcohol or prescription medicines. When something is legal, it is far easier to control than when there exists a black market that no one controls except criminals.
 

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i agree some legalization will help, but some of his logic i find kind of weird. if murder was legal, we'd have less murderers in prison. if child abuse was legal, less child abusers would be in prison :Q Doesn't he see the flip side effect to society? What if demand skyrockets, especially among poor areas where it can serve as an escape and they have limited options for their future anyway? What if it started to totally effect the economy negatively by decreasing peoples' productivity, etc? Now if someone could show legalization would decrease demand...
 

Amused

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<< &quot;If all drugs were legal, our government would no
longer be dispensing propaganda that makes
children want to try the forbidden fruit.&quot;
>>




<< Well, there may be people out there doing it because it's against the law, but the vast majority of drug users are in it for an escape. >>


Yep, and I've never heard someone say &quot;I don't do drugs because they're illegal.&quot;


<< Perhaps instead of a war on drugs, there should be a war on the conditions that encourage drug use, ie poverty, depression, etc. >>


Start bioengeneering new humans now, because those things aren't going away anytime soon


<< However, instantly legalizing drug use isn't the way to go. Could you imagine not only worrying about drunk drivers, but high ones? >>


Oh, like the hundreds of thousands of addicts today are voluntarily staying off the roads??? :confused:


<< No doubt there will be way more users if it's legal and available at the pharmacy. >>


From where do you get the evidence to support this specualtion? Again, I've never heard a non-drug user say they don't use because it's illegal.


<< Are you comfortable with the idea of our military and police being
allowed to use drugs? Or your children?
>>


Jobs can still do drug tests. The military can still prohibit it's members to use drugs, just as police depts, bus companies, airlines, etc. can. That's not going to change.


<< He makes some good points, but all in all, legalizing drug use is a bad idea. >>


Well, the Netherlands have decriminalized hard drugs, and legalized pot. They've seen NO increase in use, and a dramatic decrease in crime.
 

Amused

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<< i agree some legalization will help, but some of his logic i find kind of weird. if murder was legal, we'd have less murderers in prison. if child abuse was legal, less child abusers would be in prison :Q Doesn't he see the flip side effect to society? What if demand skyrockets, especially among poor areas where it can serve as an escape and they have limited options for their future anyway? What if it started to totally effect the economy negatively by decreasing peoples' productivity, etc? Now if someone could show legalization would decrease demand... >>



Murder is a direct violation of another persons rights. If dipsh!t Johnny next door decides to get high in the privacy of his own house, who is he hurting besides himself?

Show me one person who's sole reason for not using drugs is because they're illegal. Just one.

Education and treatment is the key to decreasing drug use. No one abstains because drugs are illegal.
 

Khameleon

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Do you really think that that many more people would begin using drugs if they were legal? I, personally, have my doubts. Anyone who wants to use drugs now, does so. It isn't that difficult to find what you are looking for. Yes, we would probably see some increases in use, but would we see serious increases in abuse? Most people would likely just smoke pot and not worry about other drugs. It is easier to educate people about the harms that other drugs can do when they aren't automatically considering you to be full of it because of the negative propaganda surrounding pot. I don't have any links, but I seem to remember reading that use of the more dangerous drugs, such as cocaine, heroin, crack, etc., fell dramatically in the Netherlands as a result of their legalization and decriminalization programs. The laws as they stand now make no differentiation between someone who is a casual drug user and someone who is a serious abuser. They are all treated the same: as dangerous criminals.
 

Amused

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<< HOLY SH!T!!! AmusedOne and I have finally found an issue that we agree on!:D >>



You know, we probably have a lot more we agree on. Just not economics, or socialism :)
 

Khameleon

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You are probably correct about that. Individual liberties and freedoms are something that we both seem to care about a great deal. It's only in how we would go about ensuring those freedoms that we seem to disagree.
 

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<< i agree some legalization will help, but some of his logic i find kind of weird. if murder was legal, we'd have less murderers in prison. if child abuse was legal, less child abusers would be in prison :Q Doesn't he see the flip side effect to society? What if demand skyrockets, especially among poor areas where it can serve as an escape and they have limited options for their future anyway? What if it started to totally effect the economy negatively by decreasing peoples' productivity, etc? Now if someone could show legalization would decrease demand... >>



Drug use being compared to murder and child abuse.
Bejeezus, looks like someone sleeps with D.A.R.E. propaganda under thier pillow.
Really, what kind of mind makes this comparison? Are you serious?