Consumer Reports - Furnace Reviews? [necroed thread]

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Kelemvor

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We're looking to replace our furnace and are wondering if COnsumer Reports has done any recent reviews of various brands/models. We've gotten quotes from Bryant, Lennox, Armstrong, Amana, Kenmore, and others and since prices aren't much different, just wondering if anyone has done any reviews of anything to help us make up our minds.

If anyone subscribes to the magazine and has seen reviews of furnaces or has the info from wherever (since I can't find any free trials of the website) please let me know.

Thanks!
 
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Finding an honest furnace or air conditioner review is hard because everyone is biased in one way or another. I decided to write this furnace review to give my opinion with facts that I have accumulated over the years.
I have been repairing and installing furnaces and air conditioners for 27 years so I have a good amount of experience in the subject.
I have found that furnaces have evolved over the years to a point now where all of the manufacturers are offering a high quality product that will last many years. When high efficiency furnaces first came out, each manufacturer had its own idea on how to build a furnace and by trial and error they slowly worked out the problems to where now they are all are building a good furnace.
The furnace manufacturers actually just build the heat exchanger, cabinet, housings etc. They buy the circuit boards, motors, burners, controls, limit switches, draft inducers, pressure controls, gas valves, ignition controls, and hot surface igniters from the companies that build parts like GE, Emerson, Honeywell, White Rodgers, Robertshaw, etc.
You generally read comments about furnace brands that have a negative slant. This is because people who have had a bad experience tend to have the drive to tell the world about it while the people who are satisfied are content to leave it at that. The truth is every brand has to be repaired now and then and since the manufacturers who build the main working parts of the furnaces build them for every furnace manufacturer, I do not see a big difference in number of repairs from one brand to the next.
Then how should you choose which furnace brand to buy? It is important to purchase your furnace from someone you can trust to install it properly and who will back up the warranty if something should go wrong later on. I recommend that you try to buy locally so you are important to the business that you are buying from and not just another anonymous customer who does not matter. The manufacturer’s warranty is a big factor to look at. If the furnace does break in the future, you don't want to be stuck with a large repair bill. Today you can find lifetime warranties on heat exchangers and 10 years on all other parts. If they don't offer this warranty, keep looking because most do and it is better to let the manufacturer pay for the repair instead of you. After all if they spend all of that money on advertising trying to convince you to buy their furnace let them back it up with a good warranty!
Don't pay for your furnace over and over again with high gas bills. There are two somewhat standard efficiency ratings on furnaces that are sold today, 80% and 96%. You can think of the difference as being this: for every dollar that you pay your utility company for natural gas for your furnace, with the 80% model, 80 cents out of every dollar heats the house and 20 cents is wasted up the chimney. The 96% efficiency model only loses 4 cents out of every dollar out the vent. So can see over time the amount of money you can save by installing a 96% furnace will easily pay for the difference in price over the 80% model and save you money every year after that.

All furnace manufacturers have websites that you can review their products. The thing to watch out for while you look for a new furnace is not to be dazzled by a celebrity who is trying to convince you that one brand is better than the next without telling you the things that matter like warranty and price.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion in trying to pick one brand over another.
<edit edit: this appears to be cut & paste spam that the guy has posted all over the place. -Admin DrPizza. Bye spammer.>
 
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DrPizza

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http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...703/efficiency-matters/efficiency-matters.htm

And, unless I'm mistaken, 90% efficient are fairly common. It's unlikely that the price difference from 90% to 96 or 97% efficient will pay for itself over the lifetime of the furnace. If you're replacing an existing furnace, you might also want to consider the d-i-y route; they're not that difficult to install, provided you can do sheet metal work.
 

steppinthrax

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Finding an honest furnace or air conditioner review is hard because everyone is biased in one way or another. I decided to write this furnace review to give my opinion with facts that I have accumulated over the years.
I have been repairing and installing furnaces and air conditioners for 27 years so I have a good amount of experience in the subject.
I have found that furnaces have evolved over the years to a point now where all of the manufacturers are offering a high quality product that will last many years. When high efficiency furnaces first came out, each manufacturer had its own idea on how to build a furnace and by trial and error they slowly worked out the problems to where now they are all are building a good furnace.
The furnace manufacturers actually just build the heat exchanger, cabinet, housings etc. They buy the circuit boards, motors, burners, controls, limit switches, draft inducers, pressure controls, gas valves, ignition controls, and hot surface igniters from the companies that build parts like GE, Emerson, Honeywell, White Rodgers, Robertshaw, etc.
You generally read comments about furnace brands that have a negative slant. This is because people who have had a bad experience tend to have the drive to tell the world about it while the people who are satisfied are content to leave it at that. The truth is every brand has to be repaired now and then and since the manufacturers who build the main working parts of the furnaces build them for every furnace manufacturer, I do not see a big difference in number of repairs from one brand to the next.
Then how should you choose which furnace brand to buy? It is important to purchase your furnace from someone you can trust to install it properly and who will back up the warranty if something should go wrong later on. I recommend that you try to buy locally so you are important to the business that you are buying from and not just another anonymous customer who does not matter. The manufacturer&#8217;s warranty is a big factor to look at. If the furnace does break in the future, you don't want to be stuck with a large repair bill. Today you can find lifetime warranties on heat exchangers and 10 years on all other parts. If they don't offer this warranty, keep looking because most do and it is better to let the manufacturer pay for the repair instead of you. After all if they spend all of that money on advertising trying to convince you to buy their furnace let them back it up with a good warranty!
Don't pay for your furnace over and over again with high gas bills. There are two somewhat standard efficiency ratings on furnaces that are sold today, 80% and 96%. You can think of the difference as being this: for every dollar that you pay your utility company for natural gas for your furnace, with the 80% model, 80 cents out of every dollar heats the house and 20 cents is wasted up the chimney. The 96% efficiency model only loses 4 cents out of every dollar out the vent. So can see over time the amount of money you can save by installing a 96% furnace will easily pay for the difference in price over the 80% model and save you money every year after that.

All furnace manufacturers have websites that you can review their products. The thing to watch out for while you look for a new furnace is not to be dazzled by a celebrity who is trying to convince you that one brand is better than the next without telling you the things that matter like warranty and price.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion in trying to pick one brand over another.
<part that makes this spam removed, but since the guy was sincerely posting advice - and good advice, I'm not deleting the post, nor banning his account. Hi, welcome to the forums. You can have a simple signature after 25 posts. -Admin DrPizza>

This is kind of where I was about to go with this. I haven't installed furnaces for 27 years. But I've replaced my 1975 gas furnace in my rental with a Goodman Unit myself. When I was doing research I found that for the most part the company that manufactures the furnace makes the heat exchange, cabinet and some other odd-and-inn parts. But the blower motor and other electronic components are made by some other company.

In general furnaces have become like computers. It doesn't really matter, you just look at specific sizes (according to your duct-work etc and specific efficiency ratings and buy it. I tend to sway towards Goodman because they offer some pretty high warranties on their heat exchangers and their price is pretty modest. You can also get a Combo on ebay with the outdoor condenser and they usually package 15' of line-set for you for around 2K or so. That's pretty cheap. I'm about to replace the Trane I have in my main home with a Goodman heat pump system.
 

steppinthrax

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http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...703/efficiency-matters/efficiency-matters.htm

And, unless I'm mistaken, 90% efficient are fairly common. It's unlikely that the price difference from 90% to 96 or 97% efficient will pay for itself over the lifetime of the furnace. If you're replacing an existing furnace, you might also want to consider the d-i-y route; they're not that difficult to install, provided you can do sheet metal work.

The major difference between a 80% AFUE (most common) and a 90% is you much run extra PVC piping for the Intake and exhaust. Most 90% don't exhaust through a stove-pipe. They exhaust through a pvc pipe. Reason being they take so much heat out from the exhaust that the exhaust is pretty much cool. That was one of the turn offs for going to 90%. Labor can triple easy for doing this.
 

bradley

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A good piece of HVAC equipment comes down to proper installation and quality support. Especially with furnaces, the brand doesn't matter as much anymore. My advice is to start getting tons of free bids (and pick professional brains) through Angie's List.

Just realize that the overwhelming majority of HVAC brands are owned by just a few manufacturers. For instance, Carrier owns Bryant and the brands are virtually spec identical... except for a much lower Bryant install price. :)

I'm about to replace the Trane I have in my main home with a Goodman heat pump system.

Look into the Carrier Greenspeed or the equiv Bryant Evolution Extreme and oversize 1-ton, it's worth the money in heating climates.
 
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