Constitutionally ending all medicare legislation overnight is a good idea

[Anarchist420]

As long as the associated tax and fees were repealed along with exempting seniors from income tax, then prices would plummet as the red tape would go away. Private charity would fill in for sure.

Same goes with Pelosicare; no one needs it as it is about control not trying to help poor people. Private individuals help poor people; the State doesn't help them without taking from others. No one feels as charitable when the State does it. Socialism is why there is so much suicide in scandinavia; taxes and public spending reduce work ethic

 

[DrDoug]

As long as the associated tax and fees were repealed along with exempting seniors from income tax, then prices would plummet as the red tape would go away. Private charity would fill in for sure.

You ought to take this comedy act on the road and see if you can milk it for some $$$ instead of wasting your talents here.

The "Private charity would fill in for sure" line is fucking gold!

 

[sandorski]

You ought to take this comedy act on the road and see if you can milk it for some $$$ instead of wasting your talents here.

The "Private charity would fill in for sure" line is fucking gold!

Indeed. It can't even meet the leftover Need when the Social Programs already cover most of it.

 

[Anarchist420]

Indeed. It can't even meet the leftover Need when the Social Programs already cover most of it.

It could meet a lot of it and then more as time went on. If legal tender were repealed, you really think humans would let others die? Ron Paul treated his patients for free; my dad did the same for his. My dad worked at a clinic free of charge; and he can't now only because they are full with other volunteers.
so how could the State that bombs the hell out of individuals and taxes at gunpoint cause charity?

you don't trust your neighbors and friends to help you out?

no one experiences as much satisfaction when others are forced to help them. in fact, hospitals that are huge and bureaucratic due to being in bed with the State (cops, patents, medicare, medicaid, emtala, record keeping, osha, supporting ambulance mandates due to multiple facilities, collection/bankruptcy courts) tended to make me unhappy and uneasy. i couldn't stand Riverside in newport news other than some of the staff in the ward and one nice friend in the ER (where I was waiting for about 6 hours to go to the ward) I already knew who nurtured me.

The huge hospitals work the nurses nearly to death yet the CEOs and doctors keep on recycling paper. In some cases the doctors' expertise counts, but prescriptions should never be required for medication.

 

[sandorski]

It could meet a lot of it and then more as time went on. If legal tender were repealed, you really think humans would let others die? Ron Paul treated his patients for free; my dad did the same for his. My dad worked at a clinic free of charge; and he can't now only because they are full with other volunteers.
so how could the State that bombs the hell out of individuals and taxes at gunpoint cause charity?

you don't trust your neighbors and friends to help you out?

no one experiences as much satisfaction when others are forced to help them. in fact, hospitals that are huge and bureaucratic due to being in bed with the State (cops, patents, medicare, medicaid, emtala, record keeping, osha, supporting ambulance mandates due to multiple facilities, collection/bankruptcy courts) tended to make me unhappy and uneasy. i couldn't stand Riverside in newport news other than some of the staff in the ward and one nice friend in the ER (where I was waiting for about 6 hours to go to the ward) I already knew who nurtured me.

The huge hospitals work the nurses nearly to death yet the CEOs and doctors keep on recycling paper. In some cases the doctors' expertise counts, but prescriptions should never be required for medication.

Right now, are there people with Needs that are not getting those Needs met?

 

[OverVolt]

Right now, are there people with Needs that are not getting those Needs met?

Homeless dude my age who begs on the corner that I pass everyday says yes.

 

[brycejones]

To the OP:

No it isn't.

 

[Smoblikat]

It could meet a lot of it and then more as time went on. If legal tender were repealed, you really think humans would let others die? Ron Paul treated his patients for free; my dad did the same for his. My dad worked at a clinic free of charge; and he can't now only because they are full with other volunteers.
so how could the State that bombs the hell out of individuals and taxes at gunpoint cause charity?

you don't trust your neighbors and friends to help you out?

no one experiences as much satisfaction when others are forced to help them. in fact, hospitals that are huge and bureaucratic due to being in bed with the State (cops, patents, medicare, medicaid, emtala, record keeping, osha, supporting ambulance mandates due to multiple facilities, collection/bankruptcy courts) tended to make me unhappy and uneasy. i couldn't stand Riverside in newport news other than some of the staff in the ward and one nice friend in the ER (where I was waiting for about 6 hours to go to the ward) I already knew who nurtured me.

The huge hospitals work the nurses nearly to death yet the CEOs and doctors keep on recycling paper. In some cases the doctors' expertise counts, but prescriptions should never be required for medication.

As much as I hate taxes, specifically the income tax, I have to disagree with you on this one. I do not think charity will make up whatever revenue is lost. The same people that are donating today are the same people who will donate the next time, ill be honest, I would not donate to the seniors for their healthcare. I know for a fact that my neighbors would not help me out at all, and my friends would give me all the help I need, but they are not money trees, and I would not expect them to help me monetarily. I believe in personal responsibility, so the money portion of my aid should come solely from me, or others who offer the help to me, I just dont think many would offer.

 

[schmuckley]

The problem with the medical system IS the government and insurance company lobbyists.If lobbying (aka bribery) was illegal,things would not be as bad as they are.
ER visits now cost 10x what they did only 10 years ago.
Throwing more government in between patients and doctors is certainly not a solution.

 

[JTsyo]

Homeless dude my age who begs on the corner that I pass everyday says yes.

Did that guy get turned away from welfare programs because they were passed budget?

 

[NoStateofMind]

As long as the associated tax and fees were repealed along with exempting seniors from income tax, then prices would plummet as the red tape would go away. Private charity would fill in for sure.

You are right that prices would fall but it seems to me you have not contemplated how long it would take for the prices to fall. In-between that time there will be literal chaos for those most needing healthcare. Yes the end result is probably better all the way around but this can't happen overnight.

Private individuals help poor people; the State doesn't help them without taking from others. No one feels as charitable when the State does it.

This reminds me of a book/quote that is most fitting.

It is largely in this way that the progressive conversion of social power into State power becomes acceptable and gets itself accepted. When the Johnstown flood occurred, social power was immediately mobilized and applied with intelligence and vigour. Its abundance, measured by money alone, was so great that when everything was finally put in order, something like a million dollars remained.

If such a catastrophe happened now, not only is social power perhaps too depleted for the like exercise, but the general instinct would be to let the State see to it. Not only has social power atrophied to that extent, but the disposition to exercise it in that particular direction has atrophied with it. If the State has made such matters its business, and has confiscated the social power necessary to deal with them, why, let it deal with them. We can get some kind of rough measure of this general atrophy by our own disposition when approached by a beggar. Two years ago we might have been moved to give him something; today we are moved to refer him to the State’s relief-agency. The State has said to society, You are either not exercising enough power to meet the emergency, or are exercising it in what I think is an incompetent way, so I shall confiscate your power, and exercise it to suit myself. Hence when a beggar asks us for a quarter, our instinct is to say that the State has already confiscated our quarter for his benefit, and he should go to the State about it.

Our Enemy, the State - Albert Jay Nock

Socialism is why there is so much suicide in scandinavia; taxes and public spending reduce work ethic

Socialism doesn't work without coercion so its not a viable option.

 

[TeeJay1952]

You want mandatory assistance revoked so voluntary can take over?
What is stopping voluntary help now? it is not forbidden.

 

[NoStateofMind]

You want mandatory assistance revoked so voluntary can take over?
What is stopping voluntary help now? it is not forbidden.

See my quote above for the answer.

 

[JEDIYoda]

See my quote above for the answer.

excellent quote by the way!

 

[Anarchist420]

As much as I hate taxes, specifically the income tax, I have to disagree with you on this one. I do not think charity will make up whatever revenue is lost. The same people that are donating today are the same people who will donate the next time, ill be honest, I would not donate to the seniors for their healthcare. I know for a fact that my neighbors would not help me out at all, and my friends would give me all the help I need, but they are not money trees, and I would not expect them to help me monetarily. I believe in personal responsibility, so the money portion of my aid should come solely from me, or others who offer the help to me, I just dont think many would offer.

Not everyone can be very responsible; and there are different degrees of responsibility. I can't be responsible. My mom isn't responsible in a way that benefits others; she is a selfish administrative security-seeker like me. My dad isn't all that responsible (he leaves his cash in a bank so they can shuffle it around while also having a new 20 year mortgage when his old one was nearly paid off) as he is pretty intellectually lazy (he is a very nice man who almost always tries to please others though). And the dollar is a piece of paper that many people use to get more paper (which is left in an institution) rather than trying to advance themselves with it. I mean, my dad just hoards his paper and trusts the banks to get himself more paper. That goes to show that licensed professionals aren't usually intellectually gifted (IQ in the top 2%) or even able to help more than one person at a time; many are intellectually gifted but I would say that most are not. Psychiatrists certainly aren't intellectually gifted overall; the vast majority are risky and very closed to original outside information. They have a tendency to recycle old ideas and reform them (into nothing original) without induction.

And without centralist tender I think others would be willing to help you out. If they saw how much better off they were without govt tyranny, then they would be willing to help others out.

You are right that prices would fall but it seems to me you have not contemplated how long it would take for the prices to fall. In-between that time there will be literal chaos for those most needing healthcare. Yes the end result is probably better all the way around but this can't happen overnight.

You're correct; I lack the imagination to reduce risk as do most who would run for public office. Obama is better at minimizing risk than the vast majority of presidents have been; but relatively few presidents have been risk reducers. As Harry Browne said, the ruling class has mostly broken legs then offered crutches while saying that there would be no crutches without the State.

Socialism doesn't work without coercion so its not a viable option.

agreed