Regardless of what you think of the merits or lack thereof it's a blatant violation of the 1st amendment to ban people from entering the country based on their religion.
Paratus
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Here’s a very simple principle to live by. Don’t hate people for what they are, hate them for who they are.
If a person can live and let live it doesn’t matter if they are Muslim, Jewish, Christian or Atheist.
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I do.. I don't hate people for their skin color or where they were born.
I hate them because of what they choose to believe and act like!
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But they actually have to act in a way that’s detrimental to you. There’s so many reasons to hate someone on a personal level. There’s no reason to be a bigot.
God, yes. Spoiled for choice. I don't understand how anybody ever gets on with anybody else for more than a short period of time.
Yup, really not necessary, given how annoying people are when considered purely as individuals.
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As someone who's the victim of a religious pogrom and has lost relatives, property, and citizenship.. I am PROUD to be called a bigot and hateful of muslims!!
Fool me once.. shame on you.. fool me twice.. shame on me!!
And no my family didn't know them personally.. only that we were not muslims!
Over heated rhetoric.
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So someone you don’t know did something bad to your family and your conclusion was you should do bad things to people you don’t know?
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So, maybe you just don't want to say this part out loud, IDK, but what keeps you from thinking we need to kill all Christians? Do you need to be personally violated by Christians first, and then you'll be up for that too?
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Our good friends are a Muslim mother and daughter from Mumbai. The mother immigrated here 30 years ago and the daughter is American born.
Both have no problem with gay marriage being legal. But then, they come from a country that discriminated against them because of their religious beliefs, so...
Your bigotry is showing. In my experience, Americanized Muslims are actually less likely to be bigoted than native born Christians.
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Yes I would totally nuke 2 billion muslims off this earth if given the power!
Sure why not? would totally fix our overpopulation problem wouldn't it?
Like I said I'm PROUD to be bigoted against Muslims!
THUMP MY CHEST SUPER PROUD!
Such statements endorsing mass death cannot be uttered here.
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We don’t have an overpopulation problem and frankly this makes you a bad person.
I hope you’re able to look at yourself and become better.
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Sure to you perhaps but to others who've been victims of similar ethnic cleansing.. it'd be soothing justice.
Everyone has a different point of view.. very much like how there are 4 truths to every event..
1. One sides
2. Opposing sides
3. What seems to be obvious to you
4. The actual truth
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Perhaps you should go ask them, how did killing my family and stealing our lands make their life better?
I haven't killed anyone yet.
I don’t need to ask them, I think them killing people is bad too.
You’re the one who says you would murder two billion people if given the chance. You must have a reason for wanting to carry out the largest genocide in history - do you think it will make you feel better?
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So the solution to ethic cleansing is ...checks notes... more ethnic cleansing?
I suppose that's an interesting stance.
It is what's actually happened in practice in many cases, though. E.g. the "population exchanges" of Turks and Greeks, of Croatians and Serbs, Germans and Poles (and Czechs), Muslims and Hindus, Jews and Arabs, etc. Pretty miserable process for all concerned, of course.
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Don't forget Sikhs, Jains, Parsies, Zorastrians and ofcourse lowly Buddhists and others!
It's not just a mere few that've suffered at the hands of Muslims.. there's a lot!
There's a reason China doesn't like Muslims and is constantly trying to brainwash them into not being Muslims. One of the few positive things they do as a country.
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Yeah sometimes I feel like we're Star Trek perfectionists and utopia wishers actually living in a world of Star Wars where Naboo has been invaded and nothing ever gets done in the Galactic Senate which helps to take Valoran out of power so the corporate interests - the trade federation/ the banking guild can do what they please all the while Project 2025 is proceeding behind the scenes!
Nah, you seem to be making it an exclusively Muslim issue - which is not what the historical record shows.
It's not exclusively a one-way process, and it doesn't always involve Muslims on either side (Croats "cleansed" Serbs, Serbs did the same to Croats, no Muslims on either side, rather they got attacked by both).
And other times Muslims have been the victims (Palestinians driven out by Israel, though of course one could point to the Jews who were expelled from Arab countries at the same time).
It's just one particularly brutal method by which long-running ethnic conflicts have been (sort of) resolved.
And Buddhists have been the perpetrators at times also (against Hindu Tamils in Sri Lanka, Muslims in Myanmar - the only reason they don't go after the Muslims in Sri Lanka very much is because of all the vulnerable Sri Lankans working in the Muslim Gulf States).
It's traditionally been one way ethnic conflicts have been 'resolved'.
Hell, maybe if white people had been expelled from the Southern US after the civil war, creating an African-American homeland, there'd be less racial conflict in the US now?
A lot of national minority problems in Europe were 'fixed' via population exchanges. But it seems a horribly bleak and brutal method, and usually doesn't entirely end the conflicts anyway.
So maybe people have to manage to find a way to live with each other?
Not sure which event you are referring to. Is that something to do with 1947 (The Partition of the Indo-Pak Subcontinent)?
My understanding of the Muslim faith:
Grow closer to God with acts of worship and kindness towards fellow human beings.
Protect the life, honor and property of fellow Muslim brothers and sisters.
To kill one human is to kill all humanity <<< that is actually one of their teachings. It doesn't say Muslim. It says human. So if they are taught properly in the ways of Islam, they would fear killing ANYONE.
They are, however, told to defend themselves at all costs against anyone who threatens them or prevents them from carrying out their religious duties.
So if a Muslim or a group of Muslims carry out acts of hatred against other Muslims or non-Muslims, for no good reason other than bigotry, they are NOT really acting like Muslims.
The problem is ignorance, lack of proper education and ignorant "Mullahs" who give sermons promoting hatred towards non-Muslims, in order to appear strong because a kind, loving Mullah is just too boring for the common illiterate so-called Muslim (many of whom will fail a basic test of Islamic faith if questioned on the matter).
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Oh, I know that it's historically common occurrence, I just mean it's a really strange thing to be advocating for in conversation these days (at least among reasonable people).
If you choose to hate someone based on what they believe, there's a good chance you'll hate everyone, because I'd bet most people believe something you'll find very objectionable.
How about stick to hating people based on what that do, or fail (refuse) to do? That's a much more respectable bar.
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