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Today's CT -

They are intentionally screwing up diversity and inclusion in movies and games. That's why how it's done is so ham fisted and cringe worthy. They will stop doing it soon. In response to the very vocal minority they will simply say it lost all the monies. No monies, no movies or games. Ergo they are forced to make what sells. You'll just have to settle for the traditional lip service being paid to the idea and token representation. They won't say that part out loud.

Otherwise they would not mess with the cannon of existing fandoms, films, comics, and games. They would create new characters, new stories, and new "universes" for them to inhabit without color, gender, or ethnicity being a primary defining trait of the characters. The Marvels was a girl boss movie from director to writers to actors. It absolutely tanked. No way they spent that much money and had no idea it was going to bomb. The powers that be are playing it out so that they can squash it for good. Madame Web is another WTF how did it get made? How about Suicide Squad kills the Justice League? The way they handled Batman, they had to know that was going to make everyone go bananas.

Yup, they are going to sacrifice some monies now, so they can kill off any need to consider inclusion in major properties moving forward.

Thank you for attending my TED talk.


Not enough of a fan of the genre to care that much, but that sounds plausible to me, at least in relation to movies. Not sure it's conscious and deliberate though. A lot of the way the "diversity" thing gets manifested seems very cack-handed and "anvilicious" (to use a term that gives away I've read TVTropes too much). Seems as if they focus on the "diversity" stuff at the expense of proper story-telling and character development and the rest.
I never actually liked Star Wars, for instance, in the first place, but it seems as if the PC stuff has made it even worse.

Maybe it's because it isn't coming from the 'ground up' (as a natural consequence of genuine diversity and equality in the industry/soceity that produces it)? But is somehow being artificially imposed 'top down', by people who don't really know what they are doing or have other motives (that they aren't even fully aware of)?
 

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BTW @DAPUNISHER

Your comment provoked a brainstorm..

I have always been a fan of the Law & Order franchise.. was recently catching up on SVU..

I don't recall the name of the episode but it had retail crime and a rape. While the detectives were investigating the rape.. the people they caught for retail theft were released on cashless bail and get this.. they raided the police station and stole their supplies/ office equipment.

One new girl cop draws her gun but Olivia Benson (the lead char) tells her not to.. she'll get into more trouble than it's worth because the law is what it is..

They've always taken license with current events but they're really making a point with how stupid the cashless bail is and that's produced by NBC.

So your CT about them trying to change current opinions by what they produce in movies is really accurate conjecture at this point!
 
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So your CT about them trying to change current opinions by what they produce in movies is really accurate conjecture at this point!
I don't know that they give a shit about our opinions, though you may be right. What seems to be happening strikes me as malicious compliance. "You want diversity and inclusion? Fine, we'll do it so badly you'll wish we never did it!." *evil laugher ensues*

The analytics must be telling them who the fan bases are for these properties and what they want. Force feeding them content they don't want isn't going to result in it being an "acquired taste." It results in them not spending money with you. And getting refunds when they do, because it leaves a bad taste and they don't want seconds.

If they are trying to get out in front of the changing demographics that make up the population, they are doing it all wrong. People, at least most of them, aren't interested in being pandered to.

Spiderman into the Spider Verse and Across the Spider Verse, as well as the Spiderman Miles Morales game, aren't so successful because of his ethnicity or color. They are big hits because that's just who he has always been. Marvel Comics for a good number of years has done a great job of inclusivity. It was edgy shit when they first introduced gay, black, native American, bi-sexual, autistic, etc. characters. And they have always done it organically, like real people. Not by magnifying those traits out of proportion, often at the expense of other characters. And that's the most important part, not at the expense of other established characters. Or by replacing existing ones with the new inclusive version. Here's a perfect example: Superman is bisexual now. How fucking stupid is that? Pandering bullshit. Because so many Zoomers identify that way, and they want their monies. They miss the point that most Zoomers give zero fucks to Superman, and you should make new cool bisexual superheroes for them. Not their great granddad's- "with a hip new vibe kids!"

Yeah, they have to be doing this shit intentionally. Otherwise you'd think the idiots in charge would have all been shit canned by now due to massive financial losses resutling from their continuous failures.
 
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DEI is the least problematic issue with content though. In fact its often the only good part. Which, I get the argument is they're sabotaging the rest, out of spite or intent to make DEI fail, but I think that blows up in their face when people like Jordan Peele and others that are routinely embarrassing them. I think what is happening is they think that's why Jordan Peele is being praised, not because he's, you know, an actually talented person with interesting ideas. So they're just throwing DEI thinking that alone will get something to make money. That has never been the case though.

Hollywood doesn't have any original ideas anymore, its sequels, superheroes, and mediocre forgettable action movies that are an amalgam of a few (heist, spy, sci-fi, martial arts, guns, car chase, often basically superhero in all but name) usually with an ensemble cast. They just rely on names of celebs to try and get people to watch whatever, and even that's starting to flop some.

But whatever, Indus is on his right wing dipshit ranting so who gives a fuck. This whole thread was just so he could run around spouting his fucked up bigotry and deny anyone criticizing it. Much like comedians bitching about safe spaces then complaining that people bitch at them in their safe space (the stage, or really whenever they say anything if they face any backlash it seems, comedians are some of the biggest fucking hypocrites these days).
 
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DEI is the least problematic issue with content though. In fact its often the only good part. Which, I get the argument is they're sabotaging the rest, out of spite or intent to make DEI fail, but I think that blows up in their face when people like Jordan Peele and others that are routinely embarrassing them. I think what is happening is they think that's why Jordan Peele is being praised, not because he's, you know, an actually talented person with interesting ideas. So they're just throwing DEI thinking that alone will get something to make money. That has never been the case though.

Hollywood doesn't have any original ideas anymore, its sequels, superheroes, and mediocre forgettable action movies that are an amalgam of a few (heist, spy, sci-fi, martial arts, guns, car chase, often basically superhero in all but name) usually with an ensemble cast. They just rely on names of celebs to try and get people to watch whatever, and even that's starting to flop some.

But whatever, Indus is on his right wing dipshit ranting so who gives a fuck. This whole thread was just so he could run around spouting his fucked up bigotry and deny anyone criticizing it. Much like comedians bitching about safe spaces then complaining that people bitch at them in their safe space (the stage, or really whenever they say anything if they face any backlash it seems, comedians are some of the biggest fucking hypocrites these days).

You're smoking some good crack there man.

LIBERAL NIMBYism: The new 21st century right wing bigotry!

But yeah this is a thread where you don't need proof.. so enjoy your crack filled reality!
 
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I don't know that they give a shit about our opinions, though you may be right. What seems to be happening strikes me as malicious compliance. "You want diversity and inclusion? Fine, we'll do it so badly you'll wish we never did it!." *evil laugher ensues*

The analytics must be telling them who the fan bases are for these properties and what they want. Force feeding them content they don't want isn't going to result in it being an "acquired taste." It results in them not spending money with you. And getting refunds when they do, because it leaves a bad taste and they don't want seconds.

If they are trying to get out in front of the changing demographics that make up the population, they are doing it all wrong. People, at least most of them, aren't interested in being pandered to.

Spiderman into the Spider Verse and Across the Spider Verse, as well as the Spiderman Miles Morales game, aren't so successful because of his ethnicity or color. They are big hits because that's just who he has always been. Marvel Comics for a good number of years has done a great job of inclusivity. It was edgy shit when they first introduced gay, black, native American, bi-sexual, autistic, etc. characters. And they have always done it organically, like real people. Not by magnifying those traits out of proportion, often at the expense of other characters. And that's the most important part, not at the expense of other established characters. Or by replacing existing ones with the new inclusive version. Here's a perfect example: Superman is bisexual now. How fucking stupid is that? Pandering bullshit. Because so many Zoomers identify that way, and they want their monies. They miss the point that most Zoomers give zero fucks to Superman, and you should make new cool bisexual superheroes for them. Not their great granddad's- "with a hip new vibe kids!"

Yeah, they have to be doing this shit intentionally. Otherwise you'd think the idiots in charge would have all been shit canned by now due to massive financial losses resutling from their continuous failures.

That episode is:

Truth Embargo
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Season 25, Episode 2


And regarding your other thing.. it seems the media is force feeding us total bullshit.

I caught this recently and couldn't believe my eyes:


Ok I know there are some dumbass corporate rich guys like Peter Thiel, Tim Cook etc.

But apparently the people under constant assault by the GOP are actually swingy and want to vote for them?


Either that's total bullshit or we have a total lack of common sense in this country and like to vote against our best interests.

Reminds me a bit of that Trump voter voting for him because he supposed made Insulin cheaper.. Much easier to believe shit on your phone rather than actually do some critical thinking or fact gathering.

We're truly approaching levels of Elon Musk stupid!
 
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That episode is:

Truth Embargo
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit: Season 25, Episode 2


And regarding your other thing.. it seems the media is force feeding us total bullshit.

I caught this recently and couldn't believe my eyes:


Ok I know there are some dumbass corporate rich guys like Peter Thiel, Tim Cook etc.

But apparently the people under constant assault by the GOP are actually swingy and want to vote for them?


Either that's total bullshit or we have a total lack of common sense in this country and like to vote against our best interests.
How else would you explain Log Cabin Republicans?
 

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Maybe Kate Middleton died? And this obviously-manipulated photo was released to cover it up (much as with Paul McCartney back in the day)?

Or, to take it further, maybe she....never actually existed! And all the pictures we've seen of her over the last few years were photoshopped! Lord alone knows where they got those children from.


Though the tweet in that story suggesting the Royals are in fact shapeshifters (probably aliens) and the picture caught them mid-transition is another possibility.
 
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Maybe Kate Middleton died? And this obviously-manipulated photo was released to cover it up (much as with Paul McCartney back in the day)?

Or, to take it further, maybe she....never actually existed! And all the pictures we've seen of her over the last few years were photoshopped! Lord alone knows where they got those children from.


Though the tweet in that story suggesting the Royals are in fact shapeshifters (probably aliens) and the picture caught them mid-transition is another possibility.

It doesn't look like a normal situation does it?

Meghan looks the smartest of the bunch. She had the common sense and got the fuck out of there!
 
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They are transferring Elizabeth's vampire soul into Kate's body. The ritual takes some time.
 
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It doesn't look like a normal situation does it?

Meghan looks the smartest of the bunch. She had the common sense and got the fuck out of there!

But not smart enough not to marry into that lot in the first place. Like marrying Michael Corleone then being upset that the mafia aren't PC.
 
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But not smart enough not to marry into that lot in the first place. Like marrying Michael Corleone then being upset that the mafia aren't PC.

Well our girl Diane Keaton certainly has a knack of picking the wrong guy in Looking for Mr. Goodbar too.
 

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I don't know that they give a shit about our opinions, though you may be right. What seems to be happening strikes me as malicious compliance. "You want diversity and inclusion? Fine, we'll do it so badly you'll wish we never did it!." *evil laugher ensues*

The analytics must be telling them who the fan bases are for these properties and what they want. Force feeding them content they don't want isn't going to result in it being an "acquired taste." It results in them not spending money with you. And getting refunds when they do, because it leaves a bad taste and they don't want seconds.

If they are trying to get out in front of the changing demographics that make up the population, they are doing it all wrong. People, at least most of them, aren't interested in being pandered to.

Spiderman into the Spider Verse and Across the Spider Verse, as well as the Spiderman Miles Morales game, aren't so successful because of his ethnicity or color. They are big hits because that's just who he has always been. Marvel Comics for a good number of years has done a great job of inclusivity. It was edgy shit when they first introduced gay, black, native American, bi-sexual, autistic, etc. characters. And they have always done it organically, like real people. Not by magnifying those traits out of proportion, often at the expense of other characters. And that's the most important part, not at the expense of other established characters. Or by replacing existing ones with the new inclusive version. Here's a perfect example: Superman is bisexual now. How fucking stupid is that? Pandering bullshit. Because so many Zoomers identify that way, and they want their monies. They miss the point that most Zoomers give zero fucks to Superman, and you should make new cool bisexual superheroes for them. Not their great granddad's- "with a hip new vibe kids!"

Yeah, they have to be doing this shit intentionally. Otherwise you'd think the idiots in charge would have all been shit canned by now due to massive financial losses resutling from their continuous failures.
FYI, they didn't make Clark Kent/Kal-El bisexual, it's Jon Kent, his son. You know, a new character, exactly like you were saying they should do ;)
 
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Well our girl Diane Keaton certainly has a knack of picking the wrong guy in Looking for Mr. Goodbar too.

BTW before anyone calls me hateful of her or something retarded.. I actually really like her as an actress and a person..

And she's got a message!

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FYI, they didn't make Clark Kent/Kal-El bisexual, it's Jon Kent, his son. You know, a new character, exactly like you were saying they should do ;)
Well, okay then. I was never a DC fan, and saw a blurb on news aggregate about Superman being bi now. Had no idea his son was Superdude. Carry on. :p
 

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Well, okay then. I was never a DC fan, and saw a blurb on news aggregate about Superman being bi now. Had no idea his son was Superdude. Carry on. :p

Me either.. I guess they ran out of content for Superman and Lex Luthor!

I am a Batman fan though.. and wish Christopher Nolan would have made something with the Riddler!
 
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This is not intended misogynistic - some times a dumb bitch is just a dumb bitch.

I like your english slang of a dozy mare. It's deeply vague and keeps the clueless clueless!

Though technically it's getting replaced by Eni Aluko??
 
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FYI, they didn't make Clark Kent/Kal-El bisexual, it's Jon Kent, his son. You know, a new character, exactly like you were saying they should do ;)
Seems like Superman is still regularly a top 10 selling comic. Making it a good example of how doing it correctly is how you make monies.
 

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These no ragrets CT threads are popular on ask reddit.

Here is a good one -

"That Charles Lindbergh was responsible for his son’s death. Lindbergh was a known supporter of eugenics and his son was born with “abnormalities” . The theory is he was responsible in some way for the kidnapping and death of his son due to the fact that he couldn’t have the world know his perfect genes were tainted."

Follow up by another poster -

"He also staged a kidnapping “prank” a week or so before the actual kidnapping. But the kid was found fairly quickly.

When the baby was discovered missing the second time, the nanny reportedly yelled “Mr. Lindbergh, you’re not hiding the baby again, are you?!”

The prevailing theories in mystery subreddits are either that he was playing a prank again but accidentally killed his son and staged the kidnapping to cover it up.

Or because of the abnormalities, arranged for the child to be sent away (as was common back then) or adopted without anyone else knowing and then staged the kidnapping."
 

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These no ragrets CT threads are popular on ask reddit.

Here is a good one -

"That Charles Lindbergh was responsible for his son’s death. Lindbergh was a known supporter of eugenics and his son was born with “abnormalities” . The theory is he was responsible in some way for the kidnapping and death of his son due to the fact that he couldn’t have the world know his perfect genes were tainted."

Follow up by another poster -

"He also staged a kidnapping “prank” a week or so before the actual kidnapping. But the kid was found fairly quickly.

When the baby was discovered missing the second time, the nanny reportedly yelled “Mr. Lindbergh, you’re not hiding the baby again, are you?!”

The prevailing theories in mystery subreddits are either that he was playing a prank again but accidentally killed his son and staged the kidnapping to cover it up.

Or because of the abnormalities, arranged for the child to be sent away (as was common back then) or adopted without anyone else knowing and then staged the kidnapping."

I don't know about that but it's pretty well documented he was a Nazi sympathizer. Best left in the dustbin of history.