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HomerJS

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During the Epstein trial did none of the girls testify to having sex with any prominent person?

ChatGPT doesn't know.
 

woolfe9998

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Because he could also have been coerced into suicide and/or been deliberately provided the means with which to commit suicide, which to me is functionally the same thing.

Does she have video as Epstein was rumored to have? Other records?

Her saying things isn't great, but that's a long, long way from actually having the goods on these people.

Sure, my point is that the camera evidence rules out a homicide. No one can prove whether the guards fell asleep or just intentionally didn't watch him, hoping he would commit suicide. It's not such a great conspiracy, however, if they relied on Epstein to kill himself. I don't see how they can "coerce" him to do it, though. Also, camera footage shows the guard station overnight, with the two guards responsible for watching Epstein not moving for hours, appearing to be asleep.

I'd like to see these videos that Epstein supposedly had. Rumors are not terribly useful. I still wonder why Epstein had not already tried to trade a high profile offender for a lesser sentence. He had plenty of time to do it.
 
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fskimospy

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Sure, my point is that the camera evidence rules out a homicide. No one can prove whether the guards fell asleep or just intentionally didn't watch him, hoping he would commit suicide. It's not such a great conspiracy, however, if they relied on Epstein to kill himself. I don't see how they can "coerce" him to do it, though.
I think there are lots of ways you can coerce someone into killing themselves. Also, deliberate indifference to a potentially problematic but suicidal person is still absolutely a gigantic scandal.
I'd like to see these videos that Epstein supposedly had. Rumors are not terribly useful.
That seems unlikely to ever happen.
 

woolfe9998

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I think there are lots of ways you can coerce someone into killing themselves. Also, deliberate indifference to a potentially problematic but suicidal person is still absolutely a gigantic scandal.

That seems unlikely to ever happen.

A gigantic scandal, sure. The guards were fired and prosecuted. But it's not much of a conspiracy, if that's really what it was.
 

woolfe9998

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Depends on why they were deliberately indifferent, no?

Sorry, I had not taken proper note of your word "deliberate" there. If it WAS deliberate, they might have been paid off, by someone just hoping Epstein would kill himself if the guards didn't do their jobs. Or maybe the guards thought screw him, he's a serial child molester, so we're not going to protect him. Or maybe it wasn't deliberate. The video does show them apparently sleeping on the job. I wonder how many other videos from other nights would show them doing the same thing? I don't know that any of the investigations pulled videos of other nights, but it strikes me as relevant whether or not they had a pattern of sleeping on the job.
 

fskimospy

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Sorry, I had not taken proper note of your word "deliberate" there. If it WAS deliberate, they might have been paid off, by someone just hoping Epstein would kill himself if the guards didn't do their jobs. Or maybe the guards thought screw him, he's a serial child molester, so we're not going to protect him. Or maybe it wasn't deliberate. The video does show them apparently sleeping on the job. I wonder how many other videos from other nights would show them doing the same thing? I don't know that any of the investigations pulled videos of other nights, but it strikes me as relevant whether or not they had a pattern of sleeping on the job.
I'm confident we will never know - I do find the totality of the circumstances very suspicious though.
 
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tweaker2

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Netanyahu purposely relaxed Israel's security apparatus thus virtually baiting Hamas into launching its terrorist attack at a moment in time in the world when it was advantageous for them to do so.
 
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fskimospy

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Netanyahu purposely relaxed Israel's security apparatus thus virtually baiting Hamas into launching its terrorist attack at a moment in time in the world when it was advantageous for them to do so.
But why would allowing Hamas to slaughter more than 1,000 people help Netanyahu?

Is the idea that it would allow him to remain in power until the war is over? If so, this whole thing seems to have demolished his base of support so it has backfired.
 

Indus

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Netanyahu purposely relaxed Israel's security apparatus thus virtually baiting Hamas into launching its terrorist attack at a moment in time in the world when it was advantageous for them to do so.

I think Putin pushed Iran into commanding Hamas into doing it, so the US would get more distracted from Ukraine.

And all it has done is probably alienate other Arab nations he was trying to build relationships with.

I wouldn't say it backfired but it certainly hasn't helped! If anything it's taken the media eye away from ukraine and allow us to do more stuff behind the scenes!
 

Brovane

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Shortly before the Democratic Convention, Biden will announce because of a recent health diagnosis he cannot run for the Presidency in 2024. This will result in a open convention for the Democrats and Newsom will become the Democratic Nominee for President in 2024.
 
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Indus

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"If the President does it, it's not illegal." - Richard Nixon.

"If the President orders Seal Team 6 to assassinate his political rivals, he is immune from prosecution" - Donald Trump!
 

HomerJS

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But why would allowing Hamas to slaughter more than 1,000 people help Netanyahu?

Is the idea that it would allow him to remain in power until the war is over? If so, this whole thing seems to have demolished his base of support so it has backfired.
He was against a 2 state solution. The Palestinian Authority gaining power and credibility was a threat so he funded Hamas to continue dissention.
 

HomerJS

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Netanyahu purposely relaxed Israel's security apparatus thus virtually baiting Hamas into launching its terrorist attack at a moment in time in the world when it was advantageous for them to do so.
It also took them 8 hours to respond. IMO Bibi wanted this as excuse to wipe out the Palestinians.

Remember he had information this may happen a year prior.
 

fskimospy

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He was against a 2 state solution. The Palestinian Authority gaining power and credibility was a threat so he funded Hamas to continue dissention.
I agree that's likely the case. There's a big difference between that and purposefully allowing 1,000 people to be killed though.
 

feralkid

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I think there's substantial evidence that Netanyahu tolerated or even actively supported Hamas in order to keep the Palestinian governing authorities divided but I haven't seen anything that would indicate to me he purposefully allowed this attack to happen.
Wait...I thought we were supposed to post conspiracy/wacky beliefs in this thread. Now you're going all evidence-based?

;)
 

Indus

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To the OP: That we live in a simulation.

And our entire existence is being a coppertop?

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True to an extent..

0 - 24 get an education (get charged up)
24 - 64 work 3 jobs trying to chase a dream of getting ahead (discharge)
64 - 74 retire, travel if you can (squeeze out the last bit)
74 - end up in a nursing home or with a home health aide (recycle)
 
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pete6032

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The NFL is rigged and officials purposely make the most egregious calls at key moments in games because it makes fans more likely to talk about the game to friends and co-workers the day after, and makes them more likely to continue watching in the future.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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And our entire existence is being a coppertop?

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True to an extent..

0 - 24 get an education (get charged up)
24 - 64 work 3 jobs trying to chase a dream of getting ahead (discharge)
64 - 74 retire, travel if you can (squeeze out the last bit)
74 - end up in a nursing home or with a home health aide (recycle)
Unlikely to be anywhere near as 'personal' as that. Likely just one of a million instances launched for studying/harvesting information on something.
 
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