Conservatives of the board, what amendment would you be an 'activist for'?

[LordMagnusKain]

I'm sure most of us want the constitution amended to protect our fundamental values, what amendment are you MOST likely to go out and protest, get out the vote, donate money for, or generally become an 'activist' for?

Maybe if we are going to dedicate time to something we should focus on the most important thing, or maybe we need to focus on what's likely to get passed.

I don't know if ending homosexual marriages is integral to my most important position of abortion, but I have got the feeling that if gay marriages become the order of the day the abortion issue may be lost; Of course with a balanced budget amendment we could reduce government intrusion into our freedoms, guns would allow us to mount the revolt against a repressive government when they do take away our freedoms, religious expression is necessary to protect so we can keep bringing people to Christ, and i think very few of us agree with hiring people because of a racist quota agenda.

thoughts?

 

[gopunk]

uh what do gay marriages have to do with abortion?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: gopunk
uh what do gay marriages have to do with abortion?

it's part of a general assault on family values... and it's more likely we'd get a ban on gay ma rages *or relegation of the yes or no of it to a states rights issue* firewalling the moral permissiveness.

ps

i kant spell.

 

[zzzz]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: gopunk
uh what do gay marriages have to do with abortion?

it's part of a general assault on family values... and it's more likely we'd get a ban on gay ma rages *or relegation of the yes or no of it to a states rights issue* firewalling the moral permissiveness.

ps

i kant spell.

How about mandatory education for all then?

 

[Balt]

Keep your traditional values in your house and leave them out of mine. Let people marry whomever they want, why should you care?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: zzzz

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: gopunk
uh what do gay marriages have to do with abortion?

it's part of a general assault on family values... and it's more likely we'd get a ban on gay ma rages *or relegation of the yes or no of it to a states rights issue* firewalling the moral permissiveness.

ps

i kant spell.

How about mandatory education for all then?

education is already mandatory for everyone, but i strongly support home schooling so that you don't have to put your children into the mediocrity centers of public schools.

or are you talking Naziesq re-education camps? like the ones you have to go through when employed.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Balt
Keep your traditional values in your house and leave them out of mine. Let people marry whomever they want, why should you care?

because i belive in the fundamentals society is built on.

I honestly think the government has no right saying anything about marriage, if 2 people want to do a wick-an ceremony to be life-mates, I'm fine with that! if we want to be able to draft 'communal property' contracts, I'm fine with that!

but saying that they are married is antithetical to the basis of society.

 

[SSibalNom]

i hate quotas

 

[Feldenak]

I voted for a balanced budget amendment...I'd have to see the specifics before I could say I'd be an activist for it.

Just an FYI, unless the 2nd Amendment has been repealed we already have an affirmation of gun rights.

 

[Sluggo]

Of the items of your list... a balanced budget done mostly through spending cuts.

More than anything I would be a huge proponent of some kind of sweeping tax reform. Its about this time of year when I get so absolutely pissed about the amount of money that I have to pay.

 

[ElFenix]

"the budget of the united states gov't, in years without overall economic recession or declared war, shall be balanced"

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
"the budget of the united states gov't, in years without overall economic recession or declared war, shall be balanced"

i like it in principle

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: gopunk
uh what do gay marriages have to do with abortion?

it's part of a general assault on family values... and it's more likely we'd get a ban on gay ma rages *or relegation of the yes or no of it to a states rights issue* firewalling the moral permissiveness.

ps

i kant spell.

well the only homosexual marrages that will be permissible in the near future are only going to be there because of a state supreme court... so i don't really see state and federal issues coming into play there.

and i don't think that just because you happen to be against both of them, that they can be said to be logically related to each other.

 

[Insane3D]

Wrong forum....


If this isn't P&N forum material, I don't know what is...

 

[Yosoce]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
guns would allow us to mount the revolt against a repressive government

This made me laugh out loud. You seriously think that you and your buddies with hunting rifles are going to militarily defeat the United States Government if it does something you dislike? HA!

religious expression is necessary to protect so we can keep bringing people to Christ

Couldnt religious expression be used to bring people to Judaism, or Islam, or something else? Or did you mean "CHRISTIAN religious expression?" Why not outlaw all other religions while youre at it?

with a balanced budget amendment we could reduce government intrusion into our freedoms

But how could you force feed your values to people without funding?

if gay marriages become the order of the day the abortion issue may be lost

you do realize that gay people cannot biologically have children and therefore would not be running around getting abortions and/or wanting them legal?
Or was there some other murky link between the two? I tried to think like a bigot but still, I couldnt see one. Do tell...

 

[chibchakan]

I'm not a Conservative.

 

[Kadarin]

Conservatives don't really want freedom of religious expression. They want freedom of religious expression just so long as it's Christian in nature.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Conservatives don't really want freedom of religious expression. They want freedom of religious expression just so long as it's Christian in nature.

<cough>Bullsh!t</cough>

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Conservatives don't really want freedom of religious expression. They want freedom of religious expression just so long as it's Christian in nature.

<cough>Bullsh!t</cough>

Prove me wrong! Point to a Buddhist Conservative. Or someone advocating a monument in an Alabama courthouse that espouses Hindu values.. Or something, anything else not Christian in nature.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Conservatives don't really want freedom of religious expression. They want freedom of religious expression just so long as it's Christian in nature.

<cough>Bullsh!t</cough>

Prove me wrong! Point to a Buddhist Conservative. Or someone advocating a monument in an Alabama courthouse that espouses Hindu values.. Or something, anything else not Christian in nature.

1. You're telling me that there's not a single Buddhist conservative in this nation os 300 some odd million people. I find that hard to believe. Certainly it is an extremely sweeping statement to make.

2. When was the last time someone tried to put up a Buhddist monument in an Alabama courthouse?

3. I am an atheist, but I am a conservative (more of a liberterian really). I have no objection to the placement of those tablets in alabama, and I have no problem. I think people who get uptight about religious symbols in public have issues to begin with. I have no problem with 'In god we trust" on our coins, or "Under God" in the pledge. So long as the gov't doesn't say "you have to attend church" I have no objections. I see "Under god" as "In God we trust" as "In X we trust" X = God, Allah, Budda, Yaweh, Zeus, or, just the Human Spirit (secular humanism). I see it as meaning "We believe in something" Now. As for the monument in the courthouse, again, I think it is silly to get one's panties in a twist over it, and although I don't think something so religious should be there, it's not that big of a deal. If it makes people happy, let them have it. If they wanted a buddhist shrine, that'd be fine too. So long as the judges still based their decisions on the laws on the books.

I am against uptight people who assume that because religious people are republicans, that means that republicans must not like other religions. Did you ever stop to think that, as a religious person they may feel one way, but that freedom and respect is part of the party platform and religious grandstanding won't change the fact that Republicans stand for equal treatment of everyone under the law. No special privledges, no excuses for your background.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Did you ever stop to think that, as a religious person they may feel one way, but that freedom and respect is part of the party platform and religious grandstanding won't change the fact that Republicans stand for equal treatment of everyone under the law. No special privledges, no excuses for your background.

Amen my athist brother

This made me laugh out loud. You seriously think that you and your buddies with hunting rifles are going to militarily defeat the United States Government if it does something you dislike? HA!

no, but i think that the threat of a well-armed population is esental to keeping a democracy. I don't think that if the majority of the country all over was trying to remove bush, if he became a tyrant, from power the patriots of the US army would fire on the people they are serving.

no, wako's from idoho arn't going to change a thing, but the fact that everyone CAN get a gun is esental to making it so that everyone dosn't NEED a gun. I also think that if the majority of adults had rifles with them streat crime would fall to nill.

Couldnt religious expression be used to bring people to Judaism, or Islam, or something else? Or did you mean "CHRISTIAN religious expression?" Why not outlaw all other religions while youre at it?

sure, why not, i wouldn't want to stop'm from knocking on doors, or handing out pamphlets about their religion. I just don't like bias for or against any religion *atheism included*.

But how could you force feed your values to people without funding?

when the market place of ideas isn't subsidized by the government the most utilitarian ideas come to the top. It's what makes America so wonderful.. we just need to end legislation from the bench that disagrees with that idea.

you do realize that gay people cannot biologically have children and therefore would not be running around getting abortions and/or wanting them legal?

The same libertine view that allows for the social acceptance of sexual immorality *from homosexual acts to adultery* allows for the state to have no interest in the taking of a soon-to-be baby's life.

i think my atheist bro may disagree with the last point *maybe not*, but we're a big-tent group and have lots of stuff we need to get done.

hey SO:
I've spent a lot of time arguing with atheists, i never thought i would have to.. but they out-right attacked me. I've got plenty of respect for people who honestly disagree with my faith, because faith is just that! but I'd gotten quite single minded in my view of atheists, but when someone like you, honestly not trying to actively destroy the Christian faith, comes forth; you allow me to have understanding for the view once more.

I guess just as their are zealous Christians who will yell at those who disagree because they feel in-adequate in their beliefs, so to are their some atheists and I've just had the poor fortune of encountering those.

 

[Yosoce]

no, wako's from idoho arn't going to change a thing, but the fact that everyone CAN get a gun is esental to making it so that everyone dosn't NEED a gun. I also think that if the majority of adults had rifles with them streat crime would fall to nill.

I actually agree that guns should not be restricted, however the argument that mass gun ownership would reduce crime is so ridiculous I am surprised conservatives like to use it. Lets take a simple comparison: Britain, no guns, low violent crime. Uganda, lots of guns, high violent crime.
Do you really want that socially maladapted thug that beat you up in 7th grade to have instant death on hand for his every whim?
The argument that "if guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns" completely misses the point that restricting gun ownership is targeted at the kind of violent crime that is BY FAR the most prevalent, which is the spur-of-the-moment crime where Billy grabs a shotgun out of the closet because its there.

Couldnt religious expression be used to bring people to Judaism, or Islam, or something else? Or did you mean "CHRISTIAN religious expression?" Why not outlaw all other religions while youre at it?

sure, why not, i wouldn't want to stop'm from knocking on doors, or handing out pamphlets about their religion. I just don't like bias for or against any religion *atheism included*.

If youd really meant religious freedom for all, you should not have specifically mentioned Christ and said nothing about any other religion. Saying "it would allow all religions to spread their faith" would have been much more inoffensive.

when the market place of ideas isn't subsidized by the government the most utilitarian ideas come to the top. It's what makes America so wonderful.. we just need to end legislation from the bench that disagrees with that idea.

This is a wonderful fantasyland idea. I wish it was true. In actuality the ideas that come to the top are those that make the most money. Ideas like downsizing, outsourcing jobs, sweatshops, and other corporate exploitations that a lot of legislature protects american workers from. The kind of "utilitarian" idea that comes to the top would DEFINATELY not be moral. Morality tends to cost money.


I have no issue with your Christian faith. Faith is wonderful and I am very glad for you that you have found a rewarding belief system. I do have issue with some of your conservative "morality." Do not confuse the two.

 

[Nitemare]

Balanced Budget
Conditions to getting abortions
Easier access to guns for normal people
Banning AA
For Gay marriage
Protection from Atheism & Religious fanatics


Also do away with the Board of Education and cut welfare by 95%

<---Libertarian

 

[gopunk]

I see "Under god" as "In God we trust" as "In X we trust" X = God, Allah, Budda, Yaweh, Zeus, or, just the Human Spirit (secular humanism). I see it as meaning "We believe in something"

i think then, we should replace "God" with "something".

 

[Yosoce]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Easier access to guns for normal people

Exactly how much easier can it get beyond handing out an assault rifle to every newborn?