Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

PJABBER

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I always find it interesting to examine polling data. Bill Clinton did it religiously. I wonder if GWB did it at all, after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did.

For all of the sturm und drang, huffing and puffing of the radical left on this forum, the fact is that America is likely to roundly reject the tenets of collectivism and group think they keep ranting on about. This is not an article of faith on my part, it is a reflection of the measured trend over time.

In reviewing the Gallup data, the most impressive part to me was the chart which showed an acceleration of independents moving to the conservative end of the political spectrum.

We can argue that the partisans of both the left and the right are immovable in their beliefs and we can confirm this by just looking at how few opinions are actually swayed on this forum. But we can then see the arguments of the lefties fall far short as they spin into expressions of hate and not logic. Apparently, this is being noticed elsewhere as well.

All of this has potentially important implications at the ballot box, particularly for the 2010 midterm elections.

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

Compared with 2008, more Americans ?conservative? in general, and on issues

by Lydia Saad
GALLUP
October 26, 2009

PRINCETON, NJ -- Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.

Political Ideology: Annual Trends, 1992-2009

"Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008."

The 2009 data are based on 16 separate Gallup surveys conducted from January through September, encompassing more than 5,000 national adults per quarter. Conservatives have been the dominant ideological group each quarter, with between 39% and 41% of Americans identifying themselves as either "very conservative" or "conservative." Between 35% and 37% of Americans call themselves "moderate," while the percentage calling themselves "very liberal" or "liberal" has consistently registered between 20% and 21% -- making liberals the smallest of the three groups.

Independents Inch to the Right

Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008. By contrast, among Republicans and Democrats, the percentage who are "conservative" has increased by one point each.

As is typical in recent years, Republicans are far more unified in their political outlook than are either independents or Democrats. While 72% of Republicans in 2009 call their views conservative, independents are closely split between the moderate and conservative labels (43% and 35%, respectively). Democrats are about evenly divided between moderates (39%) and liberals (37%).

Americans Also Moving Right on Some Issues

In addition to the increase in conservatism on this general ideology measure, Gallup finds higher percentages of Americans expressing conservative views on several specific issues in 2009 than in 2008.

* Perceptions that there is too much government regulation of business and industry jumped from 38% in September 2008 to 45% in September 2009.

* The percentage of Americans saying they would like to see labor unions have less influence in the country rose from 32% in August 2008 to a record-high 42% in August 2009.

* Public support for keeping the laws governing the sale of firearms the same or making them less strict rose from 49% in October 2008 to 55% in October 2009, also a record high. (The percentage saying the laws should become more strict -- the traditionally liberal position -- fell from 49% to 44%.)

* The percentage of Americans favoring a decrease in immigration rose from 39% in June/July 2008 to 50% in July 2009.

* The propensity to want the government to "promote traditional values" -- as opposed to "not favor any particular set of values" -- rose from 48% in 2008 to 53% in 2009. Current support for promoting traditional values is the highest seen in five years.

* The percentage of Americans who consider themselves "pro-life" on abortion rose from 44% in May 2008 to 51% in May 2009, and remained at a slightly elevated 47% in July 2009.

* Americans' belief that the global warming problem is "exaggerated" in the news rose from 35% in March 2008 to 41% in March 2009.

Gallup has not recorded heightened conservatism on all major social and political views held by Americans. For instance, attitudes on the death penalty, gay marriage, the Iraq war, and Afghanistan have stayed about the same since 2008. However, there are no major examples of U.S. public opinion becoming more liberal in the past year. (Gallup's annual trends on healthcare will be updated in November, so those attitudes are not included in this review.)

The conservative shifts discussed here result as much from changes in political independents' views as from changes in Republicans' views. Democrats' views, by contrast, have generally changed only slightly -- either to the conservative or liberal side -- with two exceptions: Gallup finds greater movement in Democrats' views of abortion, which have become more liberal, and their views of labor unions, which have become more conservative.

Bottom Line

Americans are more likely to consider themselves conservative this year than they were in 2008, resulting in conservatives -- now 40% of the American public -- outnumbering moderates for the first time since 2004. While Gallup first documented this trend in June, the finding has been sustained through the third quarter.

Conservatism is most prevalent among Republicans. However, the overall increase in this ideological stance since 2008 comes largely from political independents, among whom 35% say they are conservatives thus far in 2009 -- compared with 29% last year. Independents have also become more conservative on a number of specific policy issues, including government and union power, the role of government relative to promoting values, gun laws, immigration, global warming, and abortion. Republicans, most of whom considered themselves ideologically conservative in 2008, have also grown more conservative on several of these issues this year, while less change is seen among Democrats.

All of this has potentially important implications at the ballot box, particularly for the 2010 midterm elections. The question is whether increased conservatism, particularly among independents, will translate into heightened support for Republican candidates. Right now, it appears it may. Although Gallup polling continues to show the Democratic Party leading the Republican Party in Americans' party identification, that lead has been narrowing since the beginning of the year and now stands at six points, the smallest since 2005. According to Gallup Managing Editor Jeff Jones, "the Democratic-Republican gap is narrowing because more independents now say they lean to the Republican Party." That trend aligns with the recent changes in how independents perceive their own ideology and where they stand on some key issues.
 

Vette73

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"after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did."

Yep stopped reading after that, TROLL thread.
 

IronWing

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I can't really argue that the poll is flawed or wrong. The center right party swept the elections last November. Liberalism is almost without representation in Washington. Kucinich is really the only all around liberal I can think of in DC. Some other elected federal officials are liberal on particular issues but generally hold conservative views as well.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did."

Yep stopped reading after that, TROLL thread.

Indeed. The OP keeps on trucking down troll street further marginalizing herself. It is clear the troll is of the exbanned variety, what isn't clear is how long the mods will put up with this crap this time around.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I always find it interesting to examine polling data. Bill Clinton did it religiously. I wonder if GWB did it at all, after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did.

For all of the sturm und drang, huffing and puffing of the radical left on this forum, the fact is that America is likely to roundly reject the tenets of collectivism and group think they keep ranting on about. This is not an article of faith on my part, it is a reflection of the measured trend over time.

In reviewing the Gallup data, the most impressive part to me was the chart which showed an acceleration of independents moving to the conservative end of the political spectrum.

We can argue that the partisans of both the left and the right are immovable in their beliefs and we can confirm this by just looking at how few opinions are actually swayed on this forum. But we can then see the arguments of the lefties fall far short as they spin into expressions of hate and not logic. Apparently, this is being noticed elsewhere as well.
Quite possibly, some of the most idiotic ranting I've seen lately. Thanks for the laugh though. Do you have a newsletter or RSS feed I could subscribe to? My doctor keeps telling me how healthy it is to laugh on a daily basis.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did."

Yep stopped reading after that, TROLL thread.

Indeed. The OP keeps on trucking down troll street further marginalizing herself. It is clear the troll is of the exbanned variety, what isn't clear is how long the mods will put up with this crap this time around.

Why would you want to shut down and shout down the opinions of everyone who doesn't agree with you?

I make a point of championing the causes of individual freedoms because I see so little acceptance of them here.

Why do you find these freedoms so onerous when they are responsibly practiced?
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did."

Yep stopped reading after that, TROLL thread.

Indeed. The OP keeps on trucking down troll street further marginalizing herself. It is clear the troll is of the exbanned variety, what isn't clear is how long the mods will put up with this crap this time around.

How is he a troll? He presented polling data... wtf?

A troll would be someone like moonbeam who will simply come in here and say the poll is designed to make us hate ourselves. You let shit like that slide but you call this guy a troll? Come on man.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
"after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did."

Yep stopped reading after that, TROLL thread.

Indeed. The OP keeps on trucking down troll street further marginalizing herself. It is clear the troll is of the exbanned variety, what isn't clear is how long the mods will put up with this crap this time around.

How is he a troll? He presented polling data... wtf?

A troll would be someone like moonbeam who will simply come in here and say the poll is designed to make us hate ourselves. You let shit like that slide but you call this guy a troll? Come on man.

No worries, mate! We await the challenge to Gallup with the same bated breath as we anticipate the elections of 2010. We will have a taste, an inking on November 3, 2009.
 

jonks

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The US is primarily center-right, always has been because of the religious influence. But note that only one in five care to be labled Republican. And despite Obama and the Dem controlled Congress, it's the Rep party that has tanked far worse in the minds of the people. If there was ever a time for a modern Republican party to emerge and cast off its insane brethren, it's now.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Topic Title: Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group
Topic Summary: Compared with 2008, more Americans ?conservative? in general, and on issues

I always find it interesting to examine polling data. Bill Clinton did it religiously. I wonder if GWB did it at all, after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did.

For all of the sturm und drang, huffing and puffing of the radical left on this forum, the fact is that America is likely to roundly reject the tenets of collectivism and group think they keep ranting on about. This is not an article of faith on my part, it is a reflection of the measured trend over time.

Yeah right, can't wait till you anti-Americans are rounded it up and shipped off to Gitmo Part 2 :D
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Yeah right, can't wait till you anti-Americans are rounded it up and shipped off to Gitmo Part 2 :D

stay classy, san diego
 

0marTheZealot

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Democrats are pretty much Center/Center-right on 90% of the issues.

Republicans are Right/Far-Right on nearly every issue. It's no surprise that the Republicans are becoming more and more of a minority party in these times, especially after the number Bush and co. did on the Republican brand.
 

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We've know for a while that the majority of the country is progressive/liberal/Dem/D-leaning independents vs. conservatives/libertarians/Repubs/R-leaning independents. This is old news, for quite a number of years now.
 

shadow9d9

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We saw the conservative bias in the last senate and presidential elections. Conservatives won through and through right? Right?

In reality, there are very few liberals in the US. Democrats and Republicans are both right.. just in different degrees.... so what is the point of this poll?
 

yllus

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And yet...

For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh

It was a huge shock to the GOP when Barack Obama won Republican Indiana last year. The bigger news was how he did it. Latino voters delivered the state. Exit polls showed that they provided Obama with a margin of more than 58,000 votes in a state he carried by a slim 26,000 votes.

That's right, GOP, you've entered a brave new world ruled by Latino Hoosiers, and you're losing.

In 1980, Latino voters cast about 2% of all votes. Last year it was 9%, and Obama won that Hispanic vote with a crushing 35-point margin. By 2030, the Latino share of the vote is likely to double. In Texas, the crucial buckle for the GOP's Electoral College belt, the No. 1 name for new male babies ? many of whom will vote one day ? is Jose.

Young voters are another huge GOP problem. Obama won voters under 30 by a record 33 points. And the young voters of today, while certainly capable of changing their minds, do become all voters tomorrow.
 

CLite

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
I always find it interesting to examine polling data. Bill Clinton did it religiously. I wonder if GWB did it at all, after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did.

For all of the sturm und drang, huffing and puffing of the radical left on this forum, the fact is that America is likely to roundly reject the tenets of collectivism and group think they keep ranting on about. This is not an article of faith on my part, it is a reflection of the measured trend over time.

Most blatant troll on the boards right now, but I will address your deliberately biased message.

Please refer to the first chart of the article, look at the trend data for % conservative between the years 1993 and 1995. Can you please enlighten me as to what happened in the congressional election of 1994? The chart clearly shows marked decrease in the % of people who called themselves conservative and yet there was a conservative takeover in congress in 1994.

Clearly the total lack of a trend (again refer to the chart there are no clear trends), means this poll has nothing to do with who will win congress in 2010.

*edit* ps, I'm assuming people are viewing the chart fully aware that the article states there is a margin of error of 1%. The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
 

Ausm

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Originally posted by: yllus
And yet...

For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh

It was a huge shock to the GOP when Barack Obama won Republican Indiana last year. The bigger news was how he did it. Latino voters delivered the state. Exit polls showed that they provided Obama with a margin of more than 58,000 votes in a state he carried by a slim 26,000 votes.

That's right, GOP, you've entered a brave new world ruled by Latino Hoosiers, and you're losing.

In 1980, Latino voters cast about 2% of all votes. Last year it was 9%, and Obama won that Hispanic vote with a crushing 35-point margin. By 2030, the Latino share of the vote is likely to double. In Texas, the crucial buckle for the GOP's Electoral College belt, the No. 1 name for new male babies ? many of whom will vote one day ? is Jose.

Young voters are another huge GOP problem. Obama won voters under 30 by a record 33 points. And the young voters of today, while certainly capable of changing their minds, do become all voters tomorrow.

Yet most of the rabid right wingers in here are in denial.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: CLite
Originally posted by: PJABBER
I always find it interesting to examine polling data. Bill Clinton did it religiously. I wonder if GWB did it at all, after all he had a war to fight and millions of Iraqis thank God he did.

For all of the sturm und drang, huffing and puffing of the radical left on this forum, the fact is that America is likely to roundly reject the tenets of collectivism and group think they keep ranting on about. This is not an article of faith on my part, it is a reflection of the measured trend over time.

Most blatant troll on the boards right now, but I will address your deliberately biased message.

Please refer to the first chart of the article, look at the trend data for % conservative between the years 1993 and 1995. Can you please enlighten me as to what happened in the congressional election of 1994? The chart clearly shows marked decrease in the % of people who called themselves conservative and yet there was a conservative takeover in congress in 1994.

Clearly the total lack of a trend (again refer to the chart there are no clear trends), means this poll has nothing to do with who will win congress in 2010.

*edit* ps, I'm assuming people are viewing the chart fully aware that the article states there is a margin of error of 1%. The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.

RTFA. Or use a bit different scaling on the linked charts. (Just checked the linked article and it does not have a link to the expanded charting. You have to pay for that. Shucks. But you can click through to the individual question analyses which expand on the consolidated result quite nicely.)

Conservatism is most prevalent among Republicans. However, the overall increase in this ideological stance since 2008 comes largely from political independents, among whom 35% say they are conservatives thus far in 2009 -- compared with 29% last year. Independents have also become more conservative on a number of specific policy issues, including government and union power, the role of government relative to promoting values, gun laws, immigration, global warming, and abortion. Republicans, most of whom considered themselves ideologically conservative in 2008, have also grown more conservative on several of these issues this year, while less change is seen among Democrats.

The analysis points to shifts in independents' positions and much less so entrenched Republicans and Democrats.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

Another registered independent Trotskyite. As far as I can tell, you would probably be happy to affiliate yourself with The Freedom Socialist Party or The Workers World Party. You are not alone!

Myself, I just ran across and am exploring The Modern Whig Party. So cool, so Whiggy!

:laugh:
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CLite
The past 2 decades show absolutely no trend, and this article only reinforces what should be blatantly obvious to anyone with an iota of intelligence, independents rule elections.
Damn straight.

Hear that PBlabber? Your candidates needs to appeal to me, the registered independent, or kiss your ass goodbye in the elections.

:laugh:

Yes. It is too bad for Republicans they aren't really conservatives. Independents have to look somewhere else.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Originally posted by: Ausm

Yet most of the rabid right wingers in here are in denial.


Yeah, and I love how they constantly try and claim their nutter views are representative of the majority of Americans.

I actually believe they have been the minority for quite some time, they were only able to capture the 2000 and 2004 elections through a combo or rallying their fanatical religious base, disenfranchizing poor minorities, redrawing lines with redistricting, buying support and probably down right election fraud. Now they are so outnumbered they can game the system and still lose.

In my home state of Texas the GOP has a strangle hold on the state through creative districting. All the big population centers here go dem in presidential elections Hous,Dal,FW,San Antonio, etc..., yet once the hundreds of sparcely populated districts are lumped in the GOP always carries the state. Hows that shit work when 10mil people (1/2 the states population) reside in DFW or the Houston metro area? I'll tell you how it works if you live in a backwoods 1 horse town your vote carries 5x the weight of those of us who live in the metro areas. And of course the voter turnout in the small towns and rural areas is huge because they swing by the polling station at the post office or VFW hall at their leisure and are in and out in 5mins, where innercity folks in Dallas or Houston have to catch a buss or mass transit to stand in line for hours and hope they get to vote before the poles close.

 

CLite

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Originally posted by: PJABBER

The analysis points to shifts in independents' positions and much less so entrenched Republicans and Democrats.

You really don't understand the article you have linked do you? The independent shift is.... independent from the trends of moderate/conservative/liberal identification. The article discusses a shift of 2% towards conservative, a 2% decrease for liberal-identification. When I stated "independents" I meant independent thinking people (i.e. the moderate classification) not people who are registered independents.

My contention which you have yet to address is that from 93 to 94 there was an opposite trend of 2% shift towards liberal, 1% away from conservative-identification. I will go out on a limb and assume you have a basic grasp of past politics so you will know what happened in 1994.

The 6% uptick in independent idenficiation with conservative beliefs is hard to gauge as relevant as there is no clear indication of what % of people who were polled were registered as independent.

The changes in conservative views is hard to gauge because there is no indication if those are matters which people vote on, again the gains in those categories stand in stark contrast to the stastically marginal change in liberal/moderate/conservative self-identification.

I already know you will harp on my moderate-independent interchange, however the heart of the matter is that there is no trend over the last 2 decades, and the last time the trend from 08-09 occured the party which had decreased identification actually won the congressional elections by a landslide.