conservatives love class warfare every bit as much as liberals.

[Martin]

I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

 

[ggnl]

I'd say that conservatives are more fond of exploiting cultural differences (Exhibit A: The Southern Strategy)

But since cultural leanings are influenced so much by class, class war and culture war are kind of one in the same.

 

[piasabird]

I prefer to compare Florida to Louisiana and looking to see who has the best emergency response by their own state. 2 Southern states, but completely different results. However, it is possible that the devastation from katrina was so widespread that the same results would have occurred under any political or state support system.

My point is that Florida somehow manages to deal with more hurricane events than any other state. A large majority of states that are hit with Hurricanes are in the south, like Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, etc.

The difference, I think, is that Florida depends on itself and some states just mismanage their resources. If you sit on your laurels and wait for the Federal Government then you could be waiting too long to react.

This is the differrence between a nanny state and a self sufficient state.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Martin
I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

Uhh... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare.

lol, what you don't seem to realize is the ironing of your last statement. It's one of the reasons we point out the elitism of the liberal left. They purport to have the little guy's best interest at heart but really only look down their nose at them.

But hey, nice attempt at trying to obfuscate the "class warfare" issue...


2nd link has to do with Conservative / liberal?

 

[Craig234]

The whole paradigm of class warfare is harmful to the discussion.

The bottom line is wanting to create opportunity for as many people as possible. Too many people get hung up on one tiny part of the issue.

What's controversial about wanting the economic system to get the poor less poor? To get the middle class better off? Even to get the rich richer, when not at the expense of others?

The problem is the fact that the issue has complexity and tradeoffs, but the debate is smothered by idiotic sloganeering and ignorance makes that happen.

I think the way to look at the issue is to ask what you want - and then ask what the system can do. What if taxes are set at 5% or 9% or 50%, what happens? For whom? What if social spending were slashed 90% or increased 1000%? The blind spewing of ideological slogans does no one any good. Class warfare isn't a useful term, it's one that silences the debate, like calling the other side Hitler. To the extent there IS a class warfare, Warren Buffet said who is winning it, but it's better to discuss the issue, not throw the term around.

 

[piasabird]

I dont understand the purpose of this article. I dont see a class warfare thing going on. It is more like the ultra well off against the average worker. The Elite against those people making the average wages of those who live in America.

All you have to do is drive to the grocery store, you you will come to the conclusion that the lower end of the middle class and the low-income people are being raped out of all the money they make. This is why when someone says the gas and oil companies are making too much money it is nothing compared to the Grocery Industry. They make a lot higher percentage of profit. In some cases as high as 200% profit.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin
I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

Uhh... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare.

lol, what you don't seem to realize is the ironing of your last statement. It's one of the reasons we point out the elitism of the liberal left. They purport to have the little guy's best interest at heart but really only look down their nose at them.

But hey, nice attempt at trying to obfuscate the "class warfare" issue...


2nd link has to do with Conservative / liberal?

Yeah.. singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them is so much different from..err..singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them? Yeah, that's it... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare, but pointing out the elitism of the right clearly isn't.

You have to be really daft to believe that people like O'Reilly or Krauthammer, who went to the same schools, live in the same place, hang out with the same people somehow magically look out for the "little guy", while their friends colleagues are a much-derided enemy.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin
I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

Uhh... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare.

lol, what you don't seem to realize is the ironing of your last statement. It's one of the reasons we point out the elitism of the liberal left. They purport to have the little guy's best interest at heart but really only look down their nose at them.

But hey, nice attempt at trying to obfuscate the "class warfare" issue...


2nd link has to do with Conservative / liberal?

Yeah.. singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them is so much different from..err..singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them? Yeah, that's it... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare, but pointing out the elitism of the right clearly isn't.

You have to be really daft to believe that people like O'Reilly or Krauthammer, who went to the same schools, live in the same place, hang out with the same people somehow magically look out for the "little guy", while their friends colleagues are a much-derided enemy.

And? Who's talking about those two? Maybe they are elitist... but so? What does that have to do with you trying to suggest Conservatives are engaging in class warfare because they point out elitist BS? Elitism is an attitude, not a status/class. You, like so many other liberals, don't seem to get that concept.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin
I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

Uhh... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare.

lol, what you don't seem to realize is the ironing of your last statement. It's one of the reasons we point out the elitism of the liberal left. They purport to have the little guy's best interest at heart but really only look down their nose at them.

But hey, nice attempt at trying to obfuscate the "class warfare" issue...


2nd link has to do with Conservative / liberal?

Yeah.. singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them is so much different from..err..singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them? Yeah, that's it... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare, but pointing out the elitism of the right clearly isn't.

You have to be really daft to believe that people like O'Reilly or Krauthammer, who went to the same schools, live in the same place, hang out with the same people somehow magically look out for the "little guy", while their friends colleagues are a much-derided enemy.

And? Who's talking about those two? Maybe they are elitist... but so? What does that have to do with you trying to suggest Conservatives are engaging in class warfare because they point out elitist BS? Elitism is an attitude, not a status/class. You, like so many other liberals, don't seem to get that concept.

Yeah, and it is pure coincidence that this 'elitist attitude' that you and others love to deride so much can really only be attained if you're pretty well off. :roll: Sure, everybody can talk big online, but to live the actual lifestyle - whether its worrying about designer jeans, carbon offsets, getting a prius etc - requires quite a certain degree of wealth. And remember, the whole thrust of the 'elitist' liberals mantra is that these people are disconnected from reality because they have too much, which is why it is practically indistinguishable from the attacks on 'Hollywood liberals' etc.

Switching labels around is all you're doing in the end.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Martin
But hey, maybe I'm wrong...

correct on that point.

 

[cubby1223]

Just accept what it is - liberals don't like being told that gays cannot marry, while conservatives don't like being told the government knows better how to handle their money.

But that's not class warfare.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Martin
I think this has become much more clear ever since the financial troubles began and you can clearly see it in stories like this or this

Conservatives/righties/whatever-you-wanna-call-em love accusing others of fomenting class warfare if they talk in terms of 'the rich' and 'the poor', but they love nothing more than heaping scorn and hate on urban, elitist, carbon-offset-buying, prius-driving liberals... which is just their little code for 'the rich', as it is impossible for the stereotype to not be at least in the upper middle class.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong... maybe the rich republican wall street types really do have the WV-hillbilly's interests at heart :laugh:

Uhh... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare.

lol, what you don't seem to realize is the ironing of your last statement. It's one of the reasons we point out the elitism of the liberal left. They purport to have the little guy's best interest at heart but really only look down their nose at them.

But hey, nice attempt at trying to obfuscate the "class warfare" issue...


2nd link has to do with Conservative / liberal?

Yeah.. singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them is so much different from..err..singling out a class and relentlessly attacking them? Yeah, that's it... pointing out the elitism of the liberal left isn't class warfare, but pointing out the elitism of the right clearly isn't.

You have to be really daft to believe that people like O'Reilly or Krauthammer, who went to the same schools, live in the same place, hang out with the same people somehow magically look out for the "little guy", while their friends colleagues are a much-derided enemy.

And? Who's talking about those two? Maybe they are elitist... but so? What does that have to do with you trying to suggest Conservatives are engaging in class warfare because they point out elitist BS? Elitism is an attitude, not a status/class. You, like so many other liberals, don't seem to get that concept.

Yeah, and it is pure coincidence that this 'elitist attitude' that you and others love to deride so much can really only be attained if you're pretty well off. :roll: Sure, everybody can talk big online, but to live the actual lifestyle - whether its worrying about designer jeans, carbon offsets, getting a prius etc - requires quite a certain degree of wealth. And remember, the whole thrust of the 'elitist' liberals mantra is that these people are disconnected from reality because they have too much, which is why it is practically indistinguishable from the attacks on 'Hollywood liberals' etc.

Switching labels around is all you're doing in the end.

lol, exactly as noted - you don't get the concept. Thinking that elitism "can really only be attained if you're pretty well off" shows just how much you don't understand it. It's not only a disconnect with reality because they "have too much", in fact elitism can happen even if a person doesn't "have too much".

 

[Jhhnn]

Class warfare? Ask Warren Buffet-

?There?s class warfare, all right,? Mr. Buffett said, ?but it?s my class, the rich class, that?s making war, and we?re winning.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...yourmoney/26every.html

He's not talking about upper middle class people, whom many on the Right mis-identify as Rich, but about the very few movers and shakers who finance the thinktanks of the Rightwing, the top .001% of incomes and wealth in this country.

The war isn't waged directly, but rather by proxy, using the emotionally charged touchstone issues of the Right. It's done by people unknowing, like the Palinites, and by others, the pundits of talk radio and the internet press, who do so quite knowingly.

And it works, until following that pied piper leads to some sort of catastrophe, like our current economic situation. The public is so well conditioned that a fair number will always believe, no matter what, in the simulated rationality presented to them as some sort of honest discourse, as conclusions reached from facts, rather than "facts" assembled to support a predetermined goal...

 

[Ozoned]

If it wasn't for the different social classes of people that exist, there wouldn't be a democratic party,,,or is it the other way around?

 

[sportage]

The op os sooooo right on!
I know several "conservatives" far right ditto heads that take FULL advantage of gov handouts, when they discovered they could. One case was a child with "special needs", that now lives in gov assisted housing and these parents take everything the gov is willing to hand out to them.

Oh yeah, and those "moral conservative religious right wing" anti gay guys that are first in line at bathroom glory hole. :roll:

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, exactly as noted - you don't get the concept. Thinking that elitism "can really only be attained if you're pretty well off" shows just how much you don't understand it. It's not only a disconnect with reality because they "have too much", in fact elitism can happen even if a person doesn't "have too much".

lol is right, Cad.

Conservative types such as yourself often throw around the word "elitist" inappropriately as well. For example, you called the NY Times "elitist" for writing an article about a woman who thinks she's sacrificing her own desires to buy her kids Christmas gifts this year because the economy sucks. You claim the NY Times is "out of touch" and therefore "elitist." Which is patently wrong given the definition of the word.

Being out-of-touch is exactly that, out-of-touch, but being out-of-touch doesn't equal elitism. Not by a long shot. You need to go read up on the definition yourself, it seems.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: sportage
The op os sooooo right on!
I know several "conservatives" far right ditto heads that take FULL advantage of gov handouts, when they discovered they could. One case was a child with "special needs", that now lives in gov assisted housing and these parents take everything the gov is willing to hand out to them.

Oh yeah, and those "moral conservative religious right wing" anti gay guys that are first in line at bathroom glory hole. :roll:

That's funny and true. Back when I used to work there was this fundi lady - you know crosses at her desk, around her neck, Bush stickers, Rush listener etc who filed two BS work comp claims one she got 'hurt' at golfing with a client (she was in sales) , one BS sexual harrasment claim, demanded child care at work, drew max amount of sick days allowed every year then some ---- basically everything the right fears with these leftest programs she took advantage of to the extreme.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Class warfare? Ask Warren Buffet-

?There?s class warfare, all right,? Mr. Buffett said, ?but it?s my class, the rich class, that?s making war, and we?re winning.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...yourmoney/26every.html

He's not talking about upper middle class people, whom many on the Right mis-identify as Rich, but about the very few movers and shakers who finance the thinktanks of the Rightwing, the top .001% of incomes and wealth in this country.

The war isn't waged directly, but rather by proxy, using the emotionally charged touchstone issues of the Right. It's done by people unknowing, like the Palinites, and by others, the pundits of talk radio and the internet press, who do so quite knowingly.

And it works, until following that pied piper leads to some sort of catastrophe, like our current economic situation. The public is so well conditioned that a fair number will always believe, no matter what, in the simulated rationality presented to them as some sort of honest discourse, as conclusions reached from facts, rather than "facts" assembled to support a predetermined goal...

Are you kidding me? People who make the REALLY big bucks manipulate the system and court government favors like none other... and it has zero to do with "rightwing." You're so paranoid and steeped in your own propaganda its sad really... This whole ultra-rich-bad-conservative-evil-republican mythology is so 1980s. Unless you have facts to back up such partisan hackery, intelligent people will continue to giggle at such nonsense.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Class warfare? Ask Warren Buffet-

?There?s class warfare, all right,? Mr. Buffett said, ?but it?s my class, the rich class, that?s making war, and we?re winning.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...yourmoney/26every.html

He's not talking about upper middle class people, whom many on the Right mis-identify as Rich, but about the very few movers and shakers who finance the thinktanks of the Rightwing, the top .001% of incomes and wealth in this country.

The war isn't waged directly, but rather by proxy, using the emotionally charged touchstone issues of the Right. It's done by people unknowing, like the Palinites, and by others, the pundits of talk radio and the internet press, who do so quite knowingly.

And it works, until following that pied piper leads to some sort of catastrophe, like our current economic situation. The public is so well conditioned that a fair number will always believe, no matter what, in the simulated rationality presented to them as some sort of honest discourse, as conclusions reached from facts, rather than "facts" assembled to support a predetermined goal...

Whenever debate about taxes pops up the right seems to have captured mind share with their BS about top x pay 75% of taxes which is never called out for the dishonesty the stats represent. Not only is federal income tax a fraction of total federal revenue all other federal taxes are regressive let alone local, state and excise and their regressive nature. It's so bad even PE Obama is retreating from raising taxes to Clinton levels. Those 'think tanks' continue to win despite current climate.

 

[Eeezee]

Conservatives don't give a shit about anyone but themselves, unless it's an unborn fetus. This is why the phrase "passionate conservative" has faded from existence; it's an absolutely ridiculous notion.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Class warfare? Ask Warren Buffet-

?There?s class warfare, all right,? Mr. Buffett said, ?but it?s my class, the rich class, that?s making war, and we?re winning.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...yourmoney/26every.html

He's not talking about upper middle class people, whom many on the Right mis-identify as Rich, but about the very few movers and shakers who finance the thinktanks of the Rightwing, the top .001% of incomes and wealth in this country.

The war isn't waged directly, but rather by proxy, using the emotionally charged touchstone issues of the Right. It's done by people unknowing, like the Palinites, and by others, the pundits of talk radio and the internet press, who do so quite knowingly.

And it works, until following that pied piper leads to some sort of catastrophe, like our current economic situation. The public is so well conditioned that a fair number will always believe, no matter what, in the simulated rationality presented to them as some sort of honest discourse, as conclusions reached from facts, rather than "facts" assembled to support a predetermined goal...

Are you kidding me? People who make the REALLY big bucks manipulate the system and court government favors like none other... and it has zero to do with "rightwing." You're so paranoid and steeped in your own propaganda its sad really... This whole ultra-rich-bad-conservative-evil-republican mythology is so 1980s. Unless you have facts to back up such partisan hackery, intelligent people will continue to giggle at such nonsense.

Facts?

http://www.mediatransparency.org/funders.php

http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2182

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Class warfare? Ask Warren Buffet-

?There?s class warfare, all right,? Mr. Buffett said, ?but it?s my class, the rich class, that?s making war, and we?re winning.?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...yourmoney/26every.html

He's not talking about upper middle class people, whom many on the Right mis-identify as Rich, but about the very few movers and shakers who finance the thinktanks of the Rightwing, the top .001% of incomes and wealth in this country.

The war isn't waged directly, but rather by proxy, using the emotionally charged touchstone issues of the Right. It's done by people unknowing, like the Palinites, and by others, the pundits of talk radio and the internet press, who do so quite knowingly.

And it works, until following that pied piper leads to some sort of catastrophe, like our current economic situation. The public is so well conditioned that a fair number will always believe, no matter what, in the simulated rationality presented to them as some sort of honest discourse, as conclusions reached from facts, rather than "facts" assembled to support a predetermined goal...

Are you kidding me? People who make the REALLY big bucks manipulate the system and court government favors like none other... and it has zero to do with "rightwing." You're so paranoid and steeped in your own propaganda its sad really... This whole ultra-rich-bad-conservative-evil-republican mythology is so 1980s. Unless you have facts to back up such partisan hackery, intelligent people will continue to giggle at such nonsense.

Facts?

http://www.mediatransparency.org/funders.php

http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/release.cfm?ID=2182

Those facts don't back up your extreme bias. Nobody argues that super-rich people contribute to "think-tanks." But the reality is, conservatives donate to conservative orgs and liberals donate to liberal orgs. Nobody disputes the fact that the ultra rich seeks taxes and laws that favor them. But the reality is it's done for selfish, pragmatic reasons by mostly apolitical people.

You've got your head shoved so far up your brainwashed hole that you're fighting a phantom... which is why you fail and always will. Manipulated much? Sure, the rich lean conservative, but the super rich top .001% that you talk about don't give a damn about Left, Right, Republican, or Democrat: They only care about maintaining and growing their wealth and government is simply a tool to achieve those ends. As long as you define the problem through the immature lenses of low-grade partisanship you and your silly Liberal pals will be barking up the wrong tree. You can't even come close to a solution if you don't understand the problem.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Yeah, an "elitist", just like the majority of posters on here is a personal embossed and gold trimmed invitation to a place where all of the elitist upper crust snotty aristocratic people in the 21st century would gather in their gilded gages to have an "intellectual" discussion and do things like talk smack about the rest of the population because it was ooooh, so deliciouly forbidden and it was their own personal anarchy.

All of you 21st century modern so-called, self proclaimed liberals & conservatives who smugly embrace the myth that you are smarter than most Americans are really fooling yourselves. You may be clever or witty but you are not smart based on the personal nature of the smears of your political ideology you pass among yourselves. Smart people think, and you do not seem to think about much other than tearing down the people with whom you disagree.

The narcissism of "cocaine psychosis". Known ideology-worldview abusers sticking together - that's an elitist group.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, exactly as noted - you don't get the concept. Thinking that elitism "can really only be attained if you're pretty well off" shows just how much you don't understand it. It's not only a disconnect with reality because they "have too much", in fact elitism can happen even if a person doesn't "have too much".

lol is right, Cad.

Conservative types such as yourself often throw around the word "elitist" inappropriately as well. For example, you called the NY Times "elitist" for writing an article about a woman who thinks she's sacrificing her own desires to buy her kids Christmas gifts this year because the economy sucks. You claim the NY Times is "out of touch" and therefore "elitist." Which is patently wrong given the definition of the word.

Being out-of-touch is exactly that, out-of-touch, but being out-of-touch doesn't equal elitism. Not by a long shot. You need to go read up on the definition yourself, it seems.

The left and the populists raged against the real "elite" for years, bringing that meme firmly within the American consciousness. The Right derided and derides that as "victimology", but reaps the benefit of that tilled earth by doing the same with a recast set of characters.

 

[AlienCraft]

As long as you are separating (hyphenating) yourself from the rest of us, you are in a "classification war" of your own making. It's the "defining" part of that that makes it so.