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I'm not terribly surprised at some of the results but the complete distrust of all sciences and including ones that likely create their employment.

The complete lack of intervention mechanisms is also concerning...
 
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fskimospy

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I'm not terribly surprised at some of the results but the complete distrust of all sciences and including ones that likely create their employment.

The complete lack of intervention mechanisms is also concerning...
Science tells them things that make them feel uncomfortable and conservatives react violently to that. It's not science but I think Fox News' defamation case shows that exactly. Fox briefly attempted to tell their viewers the truth and their viewers freaked out, which is why Fox went back to lying and got themselves in trouble.
 

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Split the fucking country already before they drag us back to the Dark Ages!
 

HomerJS

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What's the mantra we hear conservatives preach to black people when it comes to being successful in America?

Get educated
Work hard
Don't commit crimes
Don't make excuses

You have a classic example of what they claim should be the American dream Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Highly educated, scientist, works hard, highly intelligent and has made himself a success. Yet conservatives hate him.

Why? I've asked that question. The response I get is

arrogant
condescending
blowhard

Wait a second. Have you looked at the characteristics of the people they vote for?

MTG
Bobert
Trump

They are classic examples of the above yet loved by conservatives. What is the problem with NDT?

science?
black and successful?

Maybe someone can clue me in.
 
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Maybe someone can clue me in.

Have you ever thought they don't want to work hard and have success?

They want to do the least possible and still be "okay".

But what they want most is they just want to be able to hate "others" as long as 1 of them has "made it" beyond the other guys.

That's why Trump is their Champion!

Perfectly explains the "I drink only with Nazi's but I'm not a Nazi" crowd!
 

HomerJS

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What's the mantra we here when it comes to conservative preach to black people when it comes to being successful in America

Get educated
Work hard
Don't commit crimes
Don't make excuses

You have a classic example of what they claim should be the American dream Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Highly educated, scientist, works hard, highly intelligent and has made himself a success. Yet conservatives hate him.

Why? I've asked that question. The response I get is

arrogant
condescending
blowhard

Wait a second. Have you look at the characteristics of the people they vote for?

MTG
Bobert
Trump

They are the classic example of the above yet they are loved by conservatives. What is the problem with NDT?

science?
black and successful?

Maybe someone can clue me in.
Just found a more literate version of what I posted. I hit the points but on an 8th grade level. Need to work on my vocabulary.
 

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Lifer
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I'm not terribly surprised at some of the results but the complete distrust of all sciences and including ones that likely create their employment.

The complete lack of intervention mechanisms is also concerning...


Sheesh, that's a really deep and interesting topic. Am very curious how it compares across different countries and cultures.

The article says
"In America, but also in other countries, conservatives generally have lower trust in science," says one of the researchers involved, Bastiaan Rutjens.

But I'd like to know how strong that tendency is in different countries. My purely-subjective, impression is it's the case in the US because of the strong influence of religion, or at least one particular form of religion. But I wonder if the data across different countries is consistent with that impression?

There's also the question of the stage of economic development a country is at - I suspect less-developed countries, even very religious ones, would be more mad keen on science, because it's seen as a vital route to increasing wealth and living standards, and military power, while the US combines being religious with a degree of complacency about its wealth and power.

If that's the case I'd expect poorer (but religious) countries to show both extremes.

I do think that Conservatives have a tendency to go mad, that is, to adopt completely bonkers conspiracy theories, and I put that down to the fact that Conservatism as a philosophy just doesn't fit the real world, perhaps more so in our era than earlier times.

I also think some people seem to treat science as a kind of religion, a set of eternal truths direct from God, with guys in white coats regarded as a kind of priesthood. Rather than as a set of always provisional theories, produced by a process conducted by necessarily flawed human beings and always potentially susceptible to bias.
 

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What's the mantra we here when it comes to conservative preach to black people when it comes to being successful in America

Get educated
Work hard
Don't commit crimes
Don't make excuses

You have a classic example of what they claim should be the American dream Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Highly educated, scientist, works hard, highly intelligent and has made himself a success. Yet conservatives hate him.

Why? I've asked that question. The response I get is

arrogant
condescending
blowhard

Wait a second. Have you look at the characteristics of the people they vote for?

MTG
Bobert
Trump

They are the classic example of the above yet they are loved by conservatives. What is the problem with NDT?

science?
black and successful?

Maybe someone can clue me in.
Love me some NDT. Love Startalk. Give me some of that galactic gumbo.

Conservatives hate NDT because he can refute their lies and speak his truth eloquently without raging or appealing to feelings … and he is black. Full stop.
 

HomerJS

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Conservatives also hate facts when it contradicts their brainwashed beliefs. At least the beliefs they project this year.

They claim to be pro life based on religion. Putting aside making law based on religion when I posted Bible passages that promote abortion you could hear the engine backfiring.

Their positions as based on feels which are subject to change based on whatever Fox News and Trump tells them.
 
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fskimospy

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Sheesh, that's a really deep and interesting topic. Am very curious how it compares across different countries and cultures.

The article says


But I'd like to know how strong that tendency is in different countries. My purely-subjective, impression is it's the case in the US because of the strong influence of religion, or at least one particular form of religion. But I wonder if the data across different countries is consistent with that impression?

There's also the question of the stage of economic development a country is at - I suspect less-developed countries, even very religious ones, would be more mad keen on science, because it's seen as a vital route to increasing wealth and living standards, and military power, while the US combines being religious with a degree of complacency about its wealth and power.

If that's the case I'd expect poorer (but religious) countries to show both extremes.

I do think that Conservatives have a tendency to go mad, that is, to adopt completely bonkers conspiracy theories, and I put that down to the fact that Conservatism as a philosophy just doesn't fit the real world, perhaps more so in our era than earlier times.

I also think some people seem to treat science as a kind of religion, a set of eternal truths direct from God, with guys in white coats regarded as a kind of priesthood. Rather than as a set of always provisional theories, produced by a process conducted by necessarily flawed human beings and always potentially susceptible to bias.
I think you're right that some of it is due to religion but I also think religion in the US actually works the other way around, at least for a large subset of religious people.

For example evangelical Christians are some of the most enthusiastic supporters of Trump. The 'love everyone' and 'poor people are noble and good' religion is filled with people delighting in the torture of immigrants, the poor, etc. It's because they twist their religion to fit their cultural preferences, not that their religion is shaping them the other way. So overall I don't think religion is the primary driver of science denial, I think it is simpler than that - conservatives have a very hard time hearing things they don't like and their reaction is do deny or destroy things that do that. Since science is just science and doesn't care about your feelings, this leads them to rejecting it.
 
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What's the mantra we here when it comes to conservative preach to black people when it comes to being successful in America

Get educated
Work hard
Don't commit crimes
Don't make excuses

You have a classic example of what they claim should be the American dream Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Highly educated, scientist, works hard, highly intelligent and has made himself a success. Yet conservatives hate him.

Why? I've asked that question. The response I get is

arrogant
condescending
blowhard

Wait a second. Have you look at the characteristics of the people they vote for?

MTG
Bobert
Trump

They are the classic example of the above yet they are loved by conservatives. What is the problem with NDT?

science?
black and successful?

Maybe someone can clue me in.
I think a lot of it is inferiority complex. They don't like people like Tyson because he is out of their league. They look at someone like MTG and feel more relatable to them because "They're a dumbass, just like me!"
 

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I think a lot of it is inferiority complex. They don't like people like Tyson because he is out of their league. They look at someone like MTG and feel more relatable to them because "They're a dumbass, just like me!"

Think you might need a better name than that one, because you're actually making sense!