Conservatives ban "science based" and "evidence based" at CDC.

[Jhhnn]

CDC tweet:

HHS statement addressing media reports: "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans."

Idiots.

You apparently didn't notice that they didn't deny the allegations at all. They just said it had been "mischaracterized", whatever that means. "That's what we said but it's not what we really meant" probably covers it.

 

[bshole]

You apparently didn't notice that they didn't deny the allegations at all. They just said it had been "mischaracterized", whatever that means. "That's what we said but it's not what we really meant" probably covers it.

He also didn't notice the more important point:

“The CDC is facing real budget restriction in FY 2019,” the ex-official said. “There’s going to be no budget line for global health security at this point, among many other likely cuts that are coming. And the budget office is in the position of having to get more funding. They’re going to do that by saying things that will resonate with their audience” — an audience of conservative Republicans.

So ya, the Republicans are going to butcher the CDC unless they come begging with the right language for money.... the agency responsible for protecting us from minor inconveniences like PANDEMICS. Fucking idiots. Finally it can be said that they have no decency whatsoever.

 

[mikeymikec]

CDC tweet:

HHS statement addressing media reports: "The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans."

Idiots.

"mischaracterised" is a common go-to political weasel word.

e.g.:

"I heard the numbers for the inauguration were less than expected"
"That's not how I would characterise it; our projections were sufficiently robust to cater for all contigencies"

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You apparently didn't notice that they didn't deny the allegations at all. They just said it had been "mischaracterized", whatever that means. "That's what we said but it's not what we really meant" probably covers it.

https://youtu.be/HopEHvZY-08?t=7m26s

Phillip DeFranco explained this all pretty well - and he is rather unbiased when covering news stories (or at least if he gives his opinion he makes sure to state that it is in fact just his opinion).

The emphasis here is around budget. Every government agency needs a budget - and they obviously want to maximize it every year... It's basically decides how much peanuts you get to pass around every year, so it makes sense to always fight for and appeal to whatever you can to get the highest budget for your given agency. Makes sense, right?

So in this case, they are making sure to take those words out of their budget proposals... The OBVIOUS fucking reason, you ask? Because they are targeting their audience. If you want a climate change denier or someone that is skeptical of science to give you your budget allocation, are you going to piss them off and call them stupid? No, of course not... because they can just give you a 20% budget cut just like that.

To me this makes perfect sense... Trump admin is full of morons, and they are appealing to the audience.

With that said, you guys are in fact getting halfway koo-koo and drinking the koolaid by going ape shit over stupid pointless news stories like this.

 

[mikeymikec]

So in this case, they are making sure to take those words out of their budget proposals... The OBVIOUS fucking reason, you ask? Because they are targeting their audience. If you want a climate change denier or someone that is skeptical of science to give you your budget allocation, are you going to piss them off and call them stupid? No, of course not... because they can just give you a 20% budget cut just like that.

To me this makes perfect sense... Trump admin is full of morons, and they are appealing to the audience.

With that said, you guys are in fact getting halfway koo-koo and drinking the koolaid by going ape shit over stupid pointless news stories like this.

If the CDC was choosing not to use certain words in their outward communications, that's a completely different situation than the government telling them not to use those words, especially a government that has a clear track record of being anti-science, anti-environment and just about anti everything else that might allow society as a whole to improve.

I love how you try to spin this from "the Trump administration telling the CDC not to use certain words" to "the CDC decided not to use certain words", apparently in order to try and make some kind of benign sense of the situation.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If the CDC was choosing not to use certain words in their outward communications, that's a completely different situation than the government telling them not to use those words, especially a government that has a clear track record of being anti-science, anti-environment and just about anti everything else that might allow society as a whole to improve.

I love how you try to spin this from "the Trump administration telling the CDC not to use certain words" to "the CDC decided not to use certain words", apparently in order to try and make some kind of benign sense of the situation.

That's just it - I have yet to see... ever.. where "The trump administration" made this call. Sounds like it was internal, and everyone is just saying that since it's a government branch that it must fall on "The trump administration" that made the change.

 

[mikeymikec]

That's just it - I have yet to see... ever.. where "The trump administration" made this call. Sounds like it was internal, and everyone is just saying that since it's a government branch that it must fall on "The trump administration" that made the change.

OP article, first paragraph:

The Trump administration has reportedly banned the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from using the phrases “evidence-based” and “science-based” in official documents.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

OP article, first paragraph:

No, I understand that. My question is... what is "The Trump Administration"? It's obviously not trump himself, or they would cite that. So who or what is it? By such a broad term, you could say anyone that is a part of the executive branch (or anyone appointed by Trump) to be a part of that.

I get it, you're naturally presuming that it was hot off the actual presidents desk, and I don't know if that is the case.

 

[ch33zw1z]

except thats not what you posted. you literally posted that youve yet to see where the trump administration made the call, and it was shown to you.

now, after its been plainly shown in the article, you move goal posts to where you need to see it came right from the presidents desk.

newsflash, trump runs this admin, if something is happening due to the trump admin, then he owns it.

this decision is another unsuprising one when considering what trump did to win.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

except thats not what you posted. you literally posted that youve yet to see where the trump administration made the call, and it was shown to you.

now, after its been plainly shown in the article, you move goal posts to where you need to see it came right from the presidents desk.

newsflash, trump runs this admin, if something is happening due to the trump admin, then he owns it.

this decision is another unsuprising one when considering what trump did to win.

Dear god pull your head out of your ass for half a second and watch the video link I posted.

You guys are really drinking the koolaid now to the level of Benghazi.

And no - that IS what I posted you retard. There is reason why in my previous post I put "The trump administration" in quotation marks 50 times you imbecile.

 

[Meghan54]

except thats not what you posted. you literally posted that youve yet to see where the trump administration made the call, and it was shown to you.

now, after its been plainly shown in the article, you move goal posts to where you need to see it came right from the presidents desk.

newsflash, trump runs this admin, if something is happening due to the trump admin, then he owns it.

this decision is another unsuprising one when considering what trump did to win.

I've realized we've heard this BS line of excuses and reasoning many, many times before.....when a business gets caught "acting bad", it's always the first line of defense. Upper management knows nothing. Sorta the Sgt. Schultz defense.

 

[mikeymikec]

No, I understand that. My question is... what is "The Trump Administration"? It's obviously not trump himself, or they would cite that. So who or what is it? By such a broad term, you could say anyone that is a part of the executive branch (or anyone appointed by Trump) to be a part of that.

I get it, you're naturally presuming that it was hot off the actual presidents desk, and I don't know if that is the case.

First of all you attempt to spin the story into something it blatantly isn't, then you try to suggest that I'm assuming that it came from Trump itself.

Seriously dude, jog on. You know what "the Trump administration" means, just like anyone does who isn't incredibly dim or incredibly evasive. Whether it came from Trump, or some random flunkey who is employed by people appointed by Trump, or even with a couple of extra middle men in the way, it makes little difference if that person is relaying requests that they've been authorised to make by Trump's cabinet.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Dear god pull your head out of your ass for half a second and watch the video link I posted.

You guys are really drinking the koolaid now to the level of Benghazi.

And no - that IS what I posted you retard. There is reason why in my previous post I put "The trump administration" in quotation marks 50 times you imbecile.

mmmhmmm, let the hate flow.

and lol at the benghazi reference.....seriously lol.....not even close man, not even close.

lock her up dude

 

[ch33zw1z]

I've realized we've heard this BS line of excuses and reasoning many, many times before.....when a business gets caught "acting bad", it's always the first line of defense. Upper management knows nothing. Sorta the Sgt. Schultz defense.

yup, a nice little buffer and disposable people to take the fall comes in handy

 

[mikeymikec]

yup, a nice little buffer and disposable people to take the fall comes in handy

 

[interchange]

https://youtu.be/HopEHvZY-08?t=7m26s

Phillip DeFranco explained this all pretty well - and he is rather unbiased when covering news stories (or at least if he gives his opinion he makes sure to state that it is in fact just his opinion).

The emphasis here is around budget. Every government agency needs a budget - and they obviously want to maximize it every year... It's basically decides how much peanuts you get to pass around every year, so it makes sense to always fight for and appeal to whatever you can to get the highest budget for your given agency. Makes sense, right?

So in this case, they are making sure to take those words out of their budget proposals... The OBVIOUS fucking reason, you ask? Because they are targeting their audience. If you want a climate change denier or someone that is skeptical of science to give you your budget allocation, are you going to piss them off and call them stupid? No, of course not... because they can just give you a 20% budget cut just like that.

To me this makes perfect sense... Trump admin is full of morons, and they are appealing to the audience.

With that said, you guys are in fact getting halfway koo-koo and drinking the koolaid by going ape shit over stupid pointless news stories like this.

That's a reasonable explanation, but it's still a very scary one.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's a reasonable explanation, but it's still a very scary one.

He seems to think others don't get it. The explanation, while making sense, it's very scary indeed. While he slings insults at others for not "getting it", the adults actually see the problem for what it is.

 

[Jhhnn]

To me this makes perfect sense... Trump admin is full of morons, and they are appealing to the audience.

You mean Congress is full of morons because that's who gets the budget request, right?

I get what you're saying. OTOH, the whole thing about community standards is some rather dangerous pandering to anti-science sentiment. It's a subtle trap because at some point sacrificing language becomes sacrificing integrity.