Conservative writer, George Will, hates America.

conjur

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George Will Excoriates The Weekly Standard in Rebuke of Bill Kristol, Condi Rice, and the Bush Administration's Middle East Catastrophe
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001542.php
George Will has sent to his client list a most amazing article -- appearing in tomorrow's Washington Post -- that is a full-throttle attack on The Weekly Standard.

Will blasts The Weekly Standard five times in his short, 770-word piece.

He starts with a powerful critique and rebuke of Condi Rice's interview with George Stephanopoulos on This Week that aired yesterday morning. He wraps up with a lashing of William Kristol and his cohorts rivalling the intensity of Israel's latest air raids over Beirut.

TWN published this morning about the strong assaults by Juan Williams and George Will on Kristol and The Weekly Standard, but I did not know at that time that the conservative scribe would be launching such a serious second strike today.

Just so all of those who think that they sent me this article exclusively, four different people sent it to me. I will not run the entire article but will provide some of the zinger parts. As soon as the link is up on the Washington Post's site, I will provide that link.

George Will swats Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice first:
"Grotesque" was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's characterization of the charge that the U.S. invasion of Iraq was responsible for the current Middle East conflagration. She is correct, up to a point. This point: Hezbollah and Hamas were alive and toxic long before March 2003. Still, it is not perverse to wonder whether the spectacle of America, currently learning a lesson -- one that conservatives should not have to learn on the job -- about the limits of power to subdue an unruly world, has emboldened many enemies.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Rice called it "short-sighted" to judge the success of the administration's transformational ambitions by a "snapshot" of progress "some couple of years" into the transformation. She seems to consider today's turmoil preferable to the Middle East's "false stability" of the last 60 years, during which U.S. policy "turned a blind eye to the absence of democratic forces."

There is, however, a sense in which that argument creates a blind eye: It makes instability, no matter how pandemic or lethal, necessarily a sign of progress. Violence is vindication: Hamas and Hezbollah have, Rice says, "determined that it is time now to try and arrest the move toward moderate democratic forces in the Middle East."
You will have to see the Washington Post for Will's powerful prose about an ill-thought out democratic plan serving as the vehicle that has delivered and empowered extremism in the current Middle East make-up, but then in the next section of his startling essay, George Will unleashes full fury on the neoconservative agenda and The Weekly Standard:
The administration, justly criticized for its Iraq premises and their execution, is suddenly receiving some criticism so untethered from reality as to defy caricature. The national, ethnic and religious dynamics of the Middle East are opaque to most people, but to The Weekly Standard -- voice of a spectacularly misnamed radicalism, "neoconservativism" -- everything is crystal clear: Iran is the key to everything.

"No Islamic Republic of Iran, no Hezbollah. No Islamic Republic of Iran, no one to prop up the Assad regime in Syria. No Iranian support for Syria. . ." You get the drift.

So, The Weekly Standard says. . .
"We might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions -- and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement."
"Why wait?" Perhaps because the U.S. military has enough on its plate, in the deteriorating wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, which both border Iran. And perhaps because containment, although of uncertain success, did work against Stalin and his successors, and might be preferable to a war against a nation much larger and more formidable than Iraq. And if Assad's regime does not fall after The Weekly Standard's hoped-for third war, with Iran, does the magazine hope for a fourth?

As for the "healthy" repercussions that The Weekly Standard is so eager to experience from yet another war: One envies that publication's powers of prophecy, but wishes it had exercised them on the nation's behalf before all of the surprises -- all of them unpleasant -- that Iraq has inflicted. And regarding the "appeasement" that The Weekly Standard decries: Does the magazine really wish the administration had heeded its earlier (Dec. 20, 2004) editorial advocating war with yet another nation -- the bombing of Syria?
George Will gets the "Conservatives with a Conscience Award" today from The Washington Note.

His five-whack, scathing assault on Kristol and The Weekly Standard rises from a frustration and raw honesty rarely seen (but increasingly moreso) among those who count themselves friends of conservative presidents like G.W. Bush.

At least this time around -- no matter what happens further in our encounter with Iran and the nations in Israel's neighborhood -- U.S. policy will be debated and fought over.

No more steam-rolling and no more "trust us" duplicity from the White House.

Applause to George Will for this brave and important piece.

Swiftboating of George Will in 3...2...1...


I just can't understand why ol' George isn't on the WORLD WAR III/IV bandwagon with the rest of the "conservatives". What's he waiting for? Just a fair-weather fan I betcha.
 

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While some may only recognize such in distant retrospect, thinking men will not want history to remember them as part of, or even a blind mouthpiece for, this administration.


The bandwagon will continue to get lighter...
 

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Good article.

Curiosity though, What's with this continual "hate america" sarcasm? I wonder, can you not tell where this sentiment from myself and others come from?
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Was George Will a Republican/Bush puppet up until recently???

Absolutely not. George Will is an absolute rarity among today's pundits and columnists. He writes from the head rather than from a particular political agenda. He is extremely conservative, but it is a true conservativeism, not the authoritarianism/totalitarianism that is now parading as conservatism. Plus Will writes extremely well and thoughtfully-agree or disagree with him, he always gives you something to think about. As an example of his articulateness, read one of his several books on baseball-they are a true joy to read (about a sport I care very little).

I disagree with Will's political stands much more often than not, but his is one of the few pundit's columns I read. He is thought-provoking rather than the typical position reinforcing propoganda that too often passes for persuasive argument.

 

FuzzyBee

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Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.
 

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.


SHHHHH! They're trying to get away from that imagery (at least until after elections when they go right back to it)

 

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The Bush Administration is destroying the United States and should be impeached for incompetent mismanagement in world affairs. Bush is a colossal disaster, a turd who has flushed the toilet with us in it.
 

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The Bush Administration is destroying the United States and should be impeached for incompetent mismanagement in world affairs. Bush is a colossal disaster, a turd who has flushed the toilet with us in it.

You are mistaken. The real threats to America are gays getting married, flag burning, illegal immigrants (cutting your grass, building your house, cooking your food), excessive taxation of the ultrawealthy, doomed fertilized eggs, and possibility that Bush might be held accountable for his actions in 2007.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Was George Will a Republican/Bush puppet up until recently???
George Will is much more of a true conservative. Last Sunday, on ABC's "This Week," he blasted the admin and the rest of the neocons, calling them radicals.

I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but at least, he's an independent thinker, and he's willing to blast the idiocy he sees based on reality more than party affiliation.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Was George Will a Republican/Bush puppet up until recently???
George Will is much more of a true conservative. Last Sunday, on ABC's "This Week," he blasted the admin and the rest of the neocons, calling them radicals.

I don't agree with many of his conclusions, but at least, he's an independent thinker, and he's willing to blast the idiocy he sees based on reality more than party affiliation.

We really are running out of people to vote for. Democrats sux. Republicans sux worse.

Think about it. Republicans are cheering their current budget practices and claiming they bare no resemblance to the last Bush. But the only reason Bush43 looks better than Bush41 is the SS surplus.

An open-ended conflict with an emphasis on nationbuilding . . . what neoliberal tool thought that crap up?! That's like worst case scenario . . . why not try and fix Haiti while you're at it . . . it should be pie in comparison.
 

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I want to read the piece in its entirety before commenting...

The excerpts are interesting...
 

Polish3d

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What I find interesting is the
"Conservatives with a Conscience Award"
comment.


I hope some of you don't think that only those who agree with your views on this situation "have a conscience." Dehumanizing your political opponents (ie, by thinking people on the right are "evil" et al) is a true indication of mad zealotry, IMJ.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.

What is "my ilk", pray tell. Do you know me?

Perhaps you'd be taken seriously instead of as a laughingstock if you actually laid out a thought of your own.

Also, nice response to my initial question. If you can't answer the question, just use buzzwords and cliches! Bravo! :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Frackal
What I find interesting is the
"Conservatives with a Conscience Award"
comment.


I hope some of you don't think that only those who agree with your views on this situation "have a conscience." Dehumanizing your political opponents (ie, by thinking people on the right are "evil" et al) is a true indication of mad zealotry, IMJ.

Oh, like how those who spoke out against the Iraq War hated America?
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: Frackal
What I find interesting is the
"Conservatives with a Conscience Award"
comment.


I hope some of you don't think that only those who agree with your views on this situation "have a conscience." Dehumanizing your political opponents (ie, by thinking people on the right are "evil" et al) is a true indication of mad zealotry, IMJ.

Oh, like how those who spoke out against the Iraq War hated America?

ZING!
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.
What is "my ilk", pray tell. Do you know me?

Perhaps you'd be taken seriously instead of as a laughingstock if you actually laid out a thought of your own.

Also, nice response to my initial question. If you can't answer the question, just use buzzwords and cliches! Bravo! :roll:
From your posts, yes, we all know you. Shall I bring up your quotes full of talking points and buzzwords? I bolded one above.

I was merely tossing out those used by Bush-God fanbois such as yourself and redirecting them back as sarcasm. Although, I guess that's a concept too complicated for a sheep to understand.
 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.
What is "my ilk", pray tell. Do you know me?

Perhaps you'd be taken seriously instead of as a laughingstock if you actually laid out a thought of your own.

Also, nice response to my initial question. If you can't answer the question, just use buzzwords and cliches! Bravo! :roll:
From your posts, yes, we all know you.
Really? Please tell everyone here something about me. Hack.
Shall I bring up your quotes full of talking points and buzzwords? I bolded one above.
Hah! Pointing out the fact that all you do is link to vitriol on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground is "talking points" and "buzzwords"? You honestly *don't* have a mind of your own, do you?

I was merely tossing out those used by Bush-God fanbois such as yourself and redirecting them back as sarcasm.

I'm a "Bush-God fanboi"? Do you have any idea what that even means? De you have any idea who I even voted for in the last Presidential election? No, you don't - you're too blinded by your misguided hatred of everything your conspiracy-theory-laced websites direct you towards to know too much else. Sad. Also, please find one post where I've said anything about any American "hating America".
Although, I guess that's a concept too complicated for a sheep to understand.
Irony, indeed. C'mon - give me a good bleat.
 

alchemize

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Come to think of it, I can't remember any poster in ages accusing another of "hating America", feel free to quote one. And I can only think of one poster that universally defends Bush's policies, but I can count about 10-15 that universally post against them (some at a pace that other's have been banned for).

So really, the troll is quite clear.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Huh - where does he say he hates America?

Oh - just more tiring cliches from you. Wouldn't it just be easier to have one thread with a link to Democratic Underground's homepage and another to Daily Kos? It'd save you a lot of typing.
Got a problem with the Washington Note now? BTW, that "tiring cliche" wasn't from me. It's from your ilk whenever someone utters a disparaging word against the boy king.
What is "my ilk", pray tell. Do you know me?

Perhaps you'd be taken seriously instead of as a laughingstock if you actually laid out a thought of your own.

Also, nice response to my initial question. If you can't answer the question, just use buzzwords and cliches! Bravo! :roll:
From your posts, yes, we all know you.
Really? Please tell everyone here something about me. Hack.
For me to be a hack I would have to belong to a particular political party and defend that party to no end and believe that party was 100% correct all of the time. Sorry, I'm not like you and your Limbaught ilk.
Shall I bring up your quotes full of talking points and buzzwords? I bolded one above.
Hah! Pointing out the fact that all you do is link to vitriol on Daily Kos and Democratic Underground is "talking points" and "buzzwords"? You honestly *don't* have a mind of your own, do you?
The Washington Note is not some blog. And show me one link I've posted to Democratic Underground up here. And, point out any Daily Kos link I've posted that wasn't about a news story. Go ahead.

I was merely tossing out those used by Bush-God fanbois such as yourself and redirecting them back as sarcasm.
I'm a "Bush-God fanboi"? Do you have any idea what that even means? De you have any idea who I even voted for in the last Presidential election? No, you don't - you're too blinded by your misguided hatred of everything your conspiracy-theory-laced websites direct you towards to know too much else. Sad. Also, please find one post where I've said anything about any American "hating America".
Actually, yes I do.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
Here's why I plan on voting for Bush over Kerry:

(this is cut 'n' pasted from an email I sent a friend of mine - I'll try to go through and capitalize things, but I may miss a few, so just bear with me.)
Are those not your words?

Also, find me the post where I said you called anyone on the left as "hating America". Good job at distorting my words.

Although, I guess that's a concept too complicated for a sheep to understand.
Irony, indeed. C'mon - give me a good bleat.
You would know what it would sound like, that's for sure.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...hreadid=1679419&enterthread=y&arctab=y