conscious thought

shimsham

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how does the brain develop thought? does science have a biological explanation for conscious thought? does science attempt to explain the need and purpose for it? i know(in the most elementary sense) of the synapse and electrical charges, and of chemical reactions, but do we have any understanding of how those end up as thoughts and voices in our head?

im sure there is some research that attempts to answer this question, but ive never really tried to look it up, for some reason. anyone have any ideas, links, or suggestions for reading?
 

DAGTA

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Suggested reading: Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins

The sequel, Eye of the I, gets more into the question of how the brain forms thoughts but Power vs. Force is a good read and necessary before reading the sequel. Both books do address your question, though.
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: DAGTA
Suggested reading: Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins

The sequel, Eye of the I, gets more into the question of how the brain forms thoughts but Power vs. Force is a good read and necessary before reading the sequel. Both books do address your question, though.


thanks, ill check that out.
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Suggested reading: Power Vs. Force by Dr. David Hawkins

The sequel, Eye of the I, gets more into the question of how the brain forms thoughts but Power vs. Force is a good read and necessary before reading the sequel. Both books do address your question, though.


thanks, ill check that out.

less thought, more neffing is respected around here ;)

try watching monkey tho, it's awesome :D
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Consciousness is just an illusion.

i'm suffering from the d-illuison that you are a fool ;)

besides which, i think therefore i am :D
 

So

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: dug777
it isn't.

stop with the stupid questions already ;)


the voices demanded that i ask.

My voice is telling you not to.

And my voice is saying:

<ghost voice>Put all your breakfast foods in a box along with a threatening note and mail it to the pope</ghost voice>
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: dug777
it isn't.

stop with the stupid questions already ;)


the voices demanded that i ask.

My voice is telling you not to.

And my voice is saying:

<ghost voice>Put all your breakfast foods in a box along with a threatening note and mail it to the pope</ghost voice>

Well that's odd...
 

So

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: dug777
it isn't.

stop with the stupid questions already ;)


the voices demanded that i ask.

My voice is telling you not to.

And my voice is saying:

<ghost voice>Put all your breakfast foods in a box along with a threatening note and mail it to the pope</ghost voice>

Well that's odd...

You never expect the Spanish Inquistion!!
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: So
chemical reactions



yes, but how does that make the jump to consciousness? how do chemicals make an idea? if we were to mix the proper chemicals in a petri dish and supply the correct "voltage", would we create a consciousness?

maybe highly technical would be a better place to ask this.
 

mobobuff

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The brain thinks in English because that's the language you use to communicate.

Conscious thought when translated into English in our heads just helps us keep track of thoughts easier and gives it more context. If humans communicated using only mathematical expressions, then the brain would think in mathematical expressions :p Pretty crazy once you think about it, but also simple at the same time.

Concentrate on a problem, or pretend an answer doesn't exist for a simple occurance, and try to solve it without thinking in words. It's extremely difficult but it can be done.

This leads to many other complex questions such as in what form does cognitive thought exist in animals? You can see it when observing them, that they constantly make observations, predictions and decisions that require some amount of thought outside of basic instinct. But what form does it take in their mind? Or how does a mute human solve complex issues without internal speech functions?

Speech is nothing more than sound that can be interpreted inside the brain. Something we hold so dear, something so personal, is extremely impersonal when you think about it. Air from your lungs and muscles in your throat combine to make a series of unrelated sounds that travel through the air, enter the ear canal of other humans, and are deciphered in realtime. Sounds that, when isolated, have no significance whatsoever. But humans are so personal and intricate as a system - that any individual could easily pick the soundwaves formed by a loved one out of millions of other similar soundwaves.
A good example of this is listening to different African dialects. Your brain contains no primer with which to decipher the language, so to you it sounds like random noises and contractions. Just as English would probably sound to them.

Ah man, the human mind is just so frickin' amazingly complex when you think about it. And when you DO think about it, it's analyzing ITSELF!

A good book to read alongside the previously mentioned one is "Phantoms in the Brain" by V.S. Ramachandran.