Connecticut OKs Bill Pledging Electoral Votes To National Popular-Vote Winner

[soulcougher73]

I just think it's funny that he thinks your vote is rendered meaningless if it's counted on a national level as opposed to a state level. I think it's some sort of state sovereignty argument, which shows he doesn't understand what state sovereignty means. It also appears to show that he doesn't understand that states don't vote for the president as is and never have.

Yeah i dont get the disconnect either. Me living in KS if i wanted to vote for a Dem President is meaningless with the current system. I'm pretty much wasting my time going to the polls to vote here. But if it was a 1 for 1 vote on a national level my vote would count just as much as anyone else that voted in the US.

 

[fskimospy]

Once more:

Current policy in CT is that the majority winner of the popular vote gets all the EC votes.

Proposed policy - CT is joining a cartel of other states who are going to use the combined popular votes to determine where all of their EC votes go.

Scenario - Candidates x and y. You vote for x. x wins the popular vote in CT however y wins the popular vote nationwide. Under the current system CT would cast their EC votes for candidate x which is how it should be. Under the new system they would cast their EC votes for y, completely ignoring the majority of voters in CT. That's bullshit.

I'm aware the duly elected reps passed this. I don't know about you but I occasionally disagree with passed legislation.

Full disclosure - I'm on the fence about eliminating the EC.

It's not ignoring the majority of voters in CT, a majority of voters selected the representatives who decided to award electors that way. Saying its wrong for CT to make that choice if they want to is what's real bullshit.

 

[IJTSSG]

It's not ignoring the majority of voters in CT, a majority of voters selected the representatives who decided to award electors that way. Saying its wrong for CT to make that choice if they want to is what's real bullshit.

So as long as selected reps decide things,, it's all good. You will never say they're wrong?

 

[fskimospy]

So as long as selected reps decide things,, it's all good. You will never say they're wrong?

Of course they are wrong sometimes but the national popular vote compact is an act by a sovereign state deciding how to allocate its electoral votes through the appropriate constitutional process. It is the sovereign right of every state to choose the manner in which its electors are awarded and Connecticut (almost certainly correctly) determined their influence would be greater if the presidency was awarded through a national vote rather than a by-state vote. Connecticut is completely ignored as things exist right now despite being the wealthiest state in the country by per capita/median income. They know the current system isn't working for them so they wanted to change it. Doesn't that make sense?

 

[Jhhnn]

Once more:

Current policy in CT is that the majority winner of the popular vote gets all the EC votes.

Proposed policy - CT is joining a cartel of other states who are going to use the combined popular votes to determine where all of their EC votes go.

Scenario - Candidates x and y. You vote for x. x wins the popular vote in CT however y wins the popular vote nationwide. Under the current system CT would cast their EC votes for candidate x which is how it should be. Under the new system they would cast their EC votes for y, completely ignoring the majority of voters in CT. That's bullshit.

I'm aware the duly elected reps passed this. I don't know about you but I occasionally disagree with passed legislation.

Full disclosure - I'm on the fence about eliminating the EC.

You're dancing away from the true issue. The Presidency & Vice Presidency are the only nationally elected offices in this country. That means the votes of my fellow Coloradans should matter less to me than the votes of all my fellow Americans. Win or lose, the popular vote best reflects the Will of the People. Any President who wins w/o that will lack credibility in the eyes of the majority, rightfully so. As our current situation illustrates, we can't afford the divisiveness, particularly in the face of a radical agenda of the minority. The fact that they hold to their radical agenda w/o majority support indicates a profound disrespect for the principles of democracy.

 

[soulcougher73]

You're dancing away from the true issue. The Presidency & Vice Presidency are the only nationally elected offices in this country. That means the votes of my fellow Coloradans should matter less to me than the votes of all my fellow Americans. Win or lose, the popular vote best reflects the Will of the People. Any President who wins w/o that will lack credibility in the eyes of the majority, rightfully so. As our current situation illustrates, we can't afford the divisiveness, particularly in the face of a radical agenda of the minority. The fact that they hold to their radical agenda w/o majority support indicates a profound disrespect for the principles of democracy.

I for one love the tyranny of the minority idea. Especially since in theory it has no real end. Can get some really crazy minority people taking power lol

Edit: Just incase

/s

 

[xVaSSagox]

Once more:

Current policy in CT is that the majority winner of the popular vote gets all the EC votes.

Proposed policy - CT is joining a cartel of other states who are going to use the combined popular votes to determine where all of their EC votes go.

Scenario - Candidates x and y. You vote for x. x wins the popular vote in CT however y wins the popular vote nationwide. Under the current system CT would cast their EC votes for candidate x which is how it should be. Under the new system they would cast their EC votes for y, completely ignoring the majority of voters in CT. That's bullshit.

I'm aware the duly elected reps passed this. I don't know about you but I occasionally disagree with passed legislation.

Full disclosure - I'm on the fence about eliminating the EC.

I want everyone's vote to count equally no matter what state you're in. Consider that in California, the most populous state with ~39.54 million only gets 55 EC votes and Wyoming, the least populated state with ~579k gets 3 EC votes. That means that each individual Wyoming vote weighs 3.7 times more than in California. What makes a republican/democrat vote in Wyoming more valuable than a republican/democrat vote in California? Is it the air quality there? Or maybe it's because Wyoming's state fish is the cutthroat trout. That must be it.

If you ask me, that the real bullshit. I always hear about get out the vote, but when I'm a republican in California, or a democrat in Texas, what's the point in voting for president in the current system when I know the majority of the state is the opposite of my political preference and that my vote will count for nothing? With this compact, at least I know my vote will count for 1/~326million and that everyone else will have the same exact say in who is my president.

 

[soulcougher73]

I want everyone's vote to count equally no matter what state you're in. Consider that in California, the most populous state with ~39.54 million only gets 55 EC votes and Wyoming, the least populated state with ~579k gets 3 EC votes. That means that each individual Wyoming vote weighs 3.7 times more than in California. What makes a republican/democrat vote in Wyoming more valuable than a republican/democrat vote in California? Is it the air quality there? Or maybe it's because Wyoming's state fish is the cutthroat trout. That must be it.

If you ask me, that the real bullshit. I always hear about get out the vote, but when I'm a republican in California, or a democrat in Texas, what's the point in voting for president in the current system when I know the majority of the state is the opposite of my political preference and that my vote will count for nothing? With this compact, at least I know my vote will count for 1/~326million and that everyone else will have the same exact say in who is my president.

With that ratio of equal representation with Wyoming being the bar. California should have 199 EC votes 🙂

 

[umbrella39]

I want everyone's vote to count equally no matter what state you're in. Consider that in California, the most populous state with ~39.54 million only gets 55 EC votes and Wyoming, the least populated state with ~579k gets 3 EC votes. That means that each individual Wyoming vote weighs 3.7 times more than in California. What makes a republican/democrat vote in Wyoming more valuable than a republican/democrat vote in California? Is it the air quality there? Or maybe it's because Wyoming's state fish is the cutthroat trout. That must be it.

If you ask me, that the real bullshit. I always hear about get out the vote, but when I'm a republican in California, or a democrat in Texas, what's the point in voting for president in the current system when I know the majority of the state is the opposite of my political preference and that my vote will count for nothing? With this compact, at least I know my vote will count for 1/~326million and that everyone else will have the same exact say in who is my president.

This is a great post that will fall on blind eyes...

The people who simply can't "get" what you are saying have only one side on their coins... the one that always paints them as a victim. But, but, but what about the middle of the country? Their vote should count as one, just as much as any liberal or conservative in California...