Connect 2 switches with SFP port?

heyjim

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Hi,

As in the title, can SFP ports be used to connect 2 together?

We have a few 24 port switches and I want to try and avoid using 2 ports on each switch for the uplink as 2 patch cables end up going to a different switch.

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imagoon

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Obviously you need the SFPs for the switch. 10GB twinax / 2 optics / SFP to ethernet etc.
 

SecurityTheatre

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Yeah, the SFP on most enterprise switches is MOST COMMONLY used for a high-speed fibre uplink.

They're there for that purpose. Obviously, as was said, you need the module to make it happen. 1G Fibre modules can be found cheap.

Good luck!
 
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alkemyst

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SFP is actually the interface that's the best for connecting two switches.

It's usually a higher bandwidth than the normal ports, but not always. The fact that you can use optics can defeat the 100m copper limitation to a distant closet.

Like above you can also use copper. Sometimes with copper you have to state the media type is rj45.
 

heyjim

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Thanks people!

The on the Netgear switch below, the 2 end ports have the same white box around them as the 2 SFP ports - can anyone tell me what thats for?

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kevnich2

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It means those ports are all shared. Their both technically ports 23/24 You have the choice to use either port 23 RJ45 or 23 with SFP or port 24 RJ45 or 24 SFP.

Most enterprise switches are technically 26 or 50/54 ports. Meaning 24 RJ45 with 2 dedicated SFP ports for uplinks or 48 port copper and either 2 or 4 dedicated SFP uplinks
 

imagoon

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Yup. Putting an SPF in the ports will likely defeat the RJ45 port. At least all the Dells I have used do that. Shared 23/24.
 

alkemyst

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Yup. Putting an SPF in the ports will likely defeat the RJ45 port. At least all the Dells I have used do that. Shared 23/24.

Also usually when the "box" is around all the ports, it's both or nothing (either SFP or the RJ45s). Some switches have individually shared RJ/SFP ports.
 

xSauronx

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Yeah, the SFP on most enterprise switches is MOST COMMONLY used for a high-speed fibre uplink.

They're there for that purpose. Obviously, as was said, you need the module to make it happen. 1G Fibre modules can be found cheap.

im going to have to look into these cheap modules, i dont usually look into parts/quotes for customers (i work for an IT consulting firm) but we just bought 14 long haul cisco sfp modules for a customer at like $650 each. mind boggling.
 

alkemyst

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Long Haul/SM modules can be in the thousands.

You should be able to pick up some 100mb or even 1000mb MM modules cheap. Just have to find out what your switch is compatible with.

Even then if you can port-channel you can set up a big enough trunk to probably handle your bandwidth requirements.
 

imagoon

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im going to have to look into these cheap modules, i dont usually look into parts/quotes for customers (i work for an IT consulting firm) but we just bought 14 long haul cisco sfp modules for a customer at like $650 each. mind boggling.

You also can fry them if you don't have enough optical cable on long haul devices. And fry eyeballs etc.
 

kevnich2

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im going to have to look into these cheap modules, i dont usually look into parts/quotes for customers (i work for an IT consulting firm) but we just bought 14 long haul cisco sfp modules for a customer at like $650 each. mind boggling.

I assume by long haul you mean SM and not MM optical modules? SM is always more expensive because of the design involved. What did your client need 14 of these for??
 

imagoon

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I see them on college campuses that have open areas. MM is only practical to 1000m. 10gig is less at 550m. Cable routing on a campus between buildings via cat walks / tunnels can easily consume that.
 

RadiclDreamer

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im going to have to look into these cheap modules, i dont usually look into parts/quotes for customers (i work for an IT consulting firm) but we just bought 14 long haul cisco sfp modules for a customer at like $650 each. mind boggling.

Long haul are much more expensive than short
 

Mark R

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im going to have to look into these cheap modules, i dont usually look into parts/quotes for customers (i work for an IT consulting firm) but we just bought 14 long haul cisco sfp modules for a customer at like $650 each. mind boggling.

Long haul (Single mode) do tend to be more expensive than MM - due to the lower volumes and need for higher precision optical components.

That said, there is a big difference in price range; Cisco will charge hugely more than other vendors for an equivalent part; plus there are variable amounts of vendor lock-in, where a switch will verify the manufacturer and serial number of an optics module, and refuse to initialize it (even if the module is fully standards compliant) if the module is from a different manufacturer.

A friend of mine used to be a reseller. He would frequently get orders for Cisco SFPs. He's order some generic ones from Hong Kong which had their EEPROMs coded to work with cisco gear at $20 each, and sell them for $200. When customers were offered a genuine cisco for $800 each or knock-off for $200, they would usually jump for the knock offs. The knock-offs were also fairly reliable, as the reseller themselves offered a 12 hour swap-out service on their own-brand ones, but as far as my friend knew, they never actually had to swap one out.

I've got a bunch of networking equipment lying around at home, much of it with SFP ports, so just for kicks, I bought a bunch of modules off ebay. Short haul gigabit MM modules can be picked up for pennies. I picked up a 10 pack of MM 4 GB fiberchannel modules (which also support gigabit) for about $10 + $5 shipping, and they've worked great for years in my home LAN. Long haul gigabit ones come up more rarely, but you can get them for $20-50 used.

Just for note, I have some netgear switches including a GS724T v3 (pretty much identical to the OP's switch). It's very happy with Intel 4GB fiber channel MM SFPs.
 
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imagoon

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Also usually when the "box" is around all the ports, it's both or nothing (either SFP or the RJ45s). Some switches have individually shared RJ/SFP ports.

I have a stack of various Dell and a few Ciscos and a random couple of netgears that say otherwise. All the ports are ringed together but only a 1:1 relationship. Obviously the front of the switch text is more important than the ring.
 

alkemyst

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I have a stack of various Dell and a few Ciscos and a random couple of netgears that say otherwise. All the ports are ringed together but only a 1:1 relationship. Obviously the front of the switch text is more important than the ring.

I never said they were not in a 1:1 relationship at times...hence why I used the word "usually" for my experience.
 

imagoon

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I never said they were not in a 1:1 relationship at times...hence why I used the word "usually" for my experience.

Well if you want to throw it around that way, it usually is 1:1 RJ45 to SFP that can be mixed and matched any way you want it to be. 21 RJ45 22 SFP 23 SFP 24 RJ45, no problem, my experience.
 

alkemyst

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Well if you want to throw it around that way, it usually is 1:1 RJ45 to SFP that can be mixed and matched any way you want it to be. 21 RJ45 22 SFP 23 SFP 24 RJ45, no problem, my experience.

Like I said, the devices I have worked with (low end gear like stuff you can buy $50 for a pallet) some big manufacture/factory types had shared ports that once one was used, the other had to be the same type or neither worked right.

I am not sure if it was a shared ASIC or whatever; just sharing my experience and for the person attempting this not to assume they have 23 access ports still (or 47, etc) if they use one SFP port.

Also sometimes you have to set the media type implicitly when using the SFP ports. Some will auto config RJ-45 vs optical, some do not. This can mess up some people that don't even know that is configurable.
 

Mark R

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More because one uses lasers and the other LED.

100 Mb/s, FDDI and stuff, you're right.

However, the gigabit ethernet specification is explicit: lasers only. This isn't surprising, as because LEDs can't achieve the restricted mode launch, the achievable length-bandwidth-product is too low to be useful at gigabit speeds and above.
 

imagoon

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Like I said, the devices I have worked with (low end gear like stuff you can buy $50 for a pallet) some big manufacture/factory types had shared ports that once one was used, the other had to be the same type or neither worked right.

I am not sure if it was a shared ASIC or whatever; just sharing my experience and for the person attempting this not to assume they have 23 access ports still (or 47, etc) if they use one SFP port.

Also sometimes you have to set the media type implicitly when using the SFP ports. Some will auto config RJ-45 vs optical, some do not. This can mess up some people that don't even know that is configurable.

Moral of the story: read the manual. Agree?