Congress authorizes Pres. Bush to use force in Iraq
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War is inevitable if President Bush can't find a "peacefull" resolution. There are definately many difficullt decisions ahead.
If drafting ever becomes necessary, I'm going to kill all you old folk for deciding my fate before I go. 
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I hate war.. and all the more why I will vote for Democrats or the Green Party next time around.. screw bush...
This is becoming "bush's war".. its his revenge on saddam for trying to kill his pops.. and while he could secretly ask teh CIA to do the needful.. noooo he has to make it a public affair.
This guy is nuts.. someone should ask for his resignation by recall.. (if I am right you can do a recall on the presidential level - i know its possible on the statelevel).
I am afraid but WW3 isnt far off... I say start packing.. 6 months and we would all be in WW3.
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A girl I like is in teh army.. so we are trying to figure out how to get her out of going on duty.. if called upon. Her mom is on disablity.. would that work saying she has to take care of her mom? Otherwise i got to knock her up (which she will not allow me).
This is becoming "bush's war".. its his revenge on saddam for trying to kill his pops.. and while he could secretly ask teh CIA to do the needful.. noooo he has to make it a public affair.
This guy is nuts.. someone should ask for his resignation by recall.. (if I am right you can do a recall on the presidential level - i know its possible on the statelevel).
I am afraid but WW3 isnt far off... I say start packing.. 6 months and we would all be in WW3.
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A girl I like is in teh army..
so we are trying to figure out how to get her out of going on duty.. if called upon. Her mom is on disablity.. would that work saying she has to take care of her mom? Otherwise i got to knock her up (which she will not allow me).:disgust: "President Bush and Vice President Cheney portray Saddam Hussein as so menacing and terrifying that one might think they've lain awake at night for years worrying about him.
But when Mr. Cheney was running Halliburton, the oil services firm, it sold more equipment to Iraq than any other company did. As first reported by The Financial Times on Nov. 3, 2000, Halliburton subsidiaries submitted $23.8 million worth of contracts with Iraq to the United Nations in 1998 and 1999 for approval by its sanctions committee.
Now let me say right up front that this wasn't illegal ? or even, in my view, sleazy. This was legitimate business conducted through joint ventures that had been acquired as part of a larger takeover in September 1998. Zelma Branch, a Halliburton spokeswoman, says that the subsidiaries completed their pre-existing Iraq contracts but did not seek new ones.
But as we debate whether to go to war with Iraq, it's a useful reminder of how fashions change in our perceptions of rogue states. Public Enemy No. 1 today is a government that Mr. Cheney was in effect helping shore up just a couple of years ago.
More broadly, the U.S. has a long history in which Saddam, though just as monstrous as he is today, was coddled as our monster. In the 1980's we provided his army with satellite intelligence so that it could use chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers. When Saddam used nerve gas and mustard gas against Kurds in 1988, the Reagan administration initially tried to blame Iran. We shipped seven strains of anthrax to Iraq between 1978 and 1988.
These days, we see Iraq as an imminent threat to our way of life, while just a couple of years ago it was perceived as a pathetic dictatorship hardly worth the bother of bombing. What changed? Not Iraq, but rather our own sensibilities after 9/11."
(from The New York Times)
But when Mr. Cheney was running Halliburton, the oil services firm, it sold more equipment to Iraq than any other company did. As first reported by The Financial Times on Nov. 3, 2000, Halliburton subsidiaries submitted $23.8 million worth of contracts with Iraq to the United Nations in 1998 and 1999 for approval by its sanctions committee.
Now let me say right up front that this wasn't illegal ? or even, in my view, sleazy. This was legitimate business conducted through joint ventures that had been acquired as part of a larger takeover in September 1998. Zelma Branch, a Halliburton spokeswoman, says that the subsidiaries completed their pre-existing Iraq contracts but did not seek new ones.
But as we debate whether to go to war with Iraq, it's a useful reminder of how fashions change in our perceptions of rogue states. Public Enemy No. 1 today is a government that Mr. Cheney was in effect helping shore up just a couple of years ago.
More broadly, the U.S. has a long history in which Saddam, though just as monstrous as he is today, was coddled as our monster. In the 1980's we provided his army with satellite intelligence so that it could use chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers. When Saddam used nerve gas and mustard gas against Kurds in 1988, the Reagan administration initially tried to blame Iran. We shipped seven strains of anthrax to Iraq between 1978 and 1988.
These days, we see Iraq as an imminent threat to our way of life, while just a couple of years ago it was perceived as a pathetic dictatorship hardly worth the bother of bombing. What changed? Not Iraq, but rather our own sensibilities after 9/11."
(from The New York Times)
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tedthebear.. how true that article is..
Us Americans are Hipocritis.. we are ignorant asses that has no respect for world affair and news.. and we only care about what we see and hear in our overly commercialzed news media..
When will they wake up and smell teh smoke that war isnt because they are going after someone bad.. war is because the media wants it potrayed like that so a poor hick in the south can give his vote to say yes on war.. what does he know about things outside his county.. nill.. Chances are he didnt even know afganistan existed before the whole war on terrorism.. and then all of a sudden he became a "expert" on afganistan.. a word he can hardly prononunce right.
I am sorry but the US going down a downward spiral and taking all of us down. As citizens we must protest like our brothers and sisters from the flower power days.
Us Americans are Hipocritis.. we are ignorant asses that has no respect for world affair and news.. and we only care about what we see and hear in our overly commercialzed news media..
When will they wake up and smell teh smoke that war isnt because they are going after someone bad.. war is because the media wants it potrayed like that so a poor hick in the south can give his vote to say yes on war.. what does he know about things outside his county.. nill.. Chances are he didnt even know afganistan existed before the whole war on terrorism.. and then all of a sudden he became a "expert" on afganistan.. a word he can hardly prononunce right.
I am sorry but the US going down a downward spiral and taking all of us down. As citizens we must protest like our brothers and sisters from the flower power days.
I can't stand this attitude. When you enlist or join the military you agree to fight. Period. If you won't fight when the time comes, get out now. All those that try and get out when they get orders to go to war should be dishonorably discharged, and fined or sent to jail for a short period of time.
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She now realises that joining the army was a mistake.. blame it on false advertising.. she was like "hell yeah theywill pay for college.. 3K does not pay for college). She doesnt mind it execpt she is anti war. I am sorry, but there are certain things girls like her shouldnt be in. Though she is one of the lowest ranks possible.. sending her to war wont be any good.. she has other things to take care of.
She has complied with her sargent so far.. but she cant take a bossy sargent who doesnt have one percent of "humanity" in him. She is a pretty girl. I love her... and she knows that (though our love is more ceremonial than real).
Anyway she has done it so far.. its just that she has other priorties now than fighting a war that she doesnt feel like doing so.
Assassination of a foriegn leader is illegal.
The CIA tried it (like 3 times?) against Castro and failed miserably. Since they sucked at it they thought they might as well make it illegal so they don't have to screw it up another time.
I don't care if the recruiter lied. She was an adult and signed the paper. If she felt like this in the first place she never should have joined. As for the bossy seargent...she needs to get over it. She's in the ARMY. And her first priority should be obeying the orders she is given.
I'm definitely pretty dead-set against this war but I've gotta say I don't feel at all sorry for this girl. You sign a contract, you have to fulfill it. Does *anybody* ever really "feel like" being a grunt in a war? Do they really *want* to be shipped halfway around the world to live in miserable conditions and shoot at a bunch of people who hate them? Do they ever *not* have "other priorities" like home, job, family?!?! Hell no! But that doesn't stop people from being there when their country needs them. Of course, in this case I think this "need" is a bunch of bullsh|t but that doesn't stop the fact that a soldier must not shirk his (or her -- that's another load of bullsh|t, women should never have been allowed in the military -- I think that a 'female soldier' is essentially a contradiction in terms -- but that's a whole 'nother can of worms...) responsibilities.
Show me a sergeant who isn't bossy and one who recruits think has a soft heart for humanity and I'll show you my vagina
(btw, I'm a guy)
dude, it's like Faust's agreement with the Devil. If you agree to give away your soul, you can't back out at your first glimpse of the gates of Hell.
I'll say good luck. I have kids. I wouldn't want them to go fight. But if they decide to join the military I support it and I would expect them to go fight if called to do so.
BTW I served.
$3,000 for college?
btw, he signed up for 6 years so 4 years might give you a little less for college. I dunno.
i am not saying you can back out or should back out just because you want to. i am just saying that i am pretty sure you would not say stuff like "I can't stand this attitude. When you enlist or join the military you agree to fight. Period." when your wife, father, son, gf/bf, etc. etc. is called upon to go in a war.
yes, well there's definitely a difference between being drafted and called upon to go to war when you've previously voluntarily signed up to be in the military. If you have friends/family/whatever who you'd really be sorry to see go to war, simply make sure that they don't join the military in the first place. If it's something they have to do (b/c of money or whatever) then do all you can to open their eyes to what exactly they're getting themselves into. Everything has its price..... and it's basically a risk calculation when you do things like that. You balance money for college vs. the threat of war vs. other jobs vs. opportunities for advancement vs. family commitments vs. everything else. In the end, you make a decision (hopefully including input from the friends/family who would be mourning over you if you happened to be killed in war), and you've got to stick by it.
edit: eliminated some quotes
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Unfortunately she never saw it my way back then.. and then I gave up and said 'fine do what you want to.. if you want to go join the us army for the money go..I cant change you cause you arent listening to me '.. and now she realises that I was right back then. All this because she thought her recruiter was telling the truth. Isnt false advertising a fraud.. especially when you claim and directly mean on teh ads that you are paying for school..
She now has begun to listen to my words a lot better than before.. having your own mind is good.. but using your mind to make bad decisions is really bad. She didnt look into the facts just the fact that the promise of money in teh end towards college.. and what did she get 3K.. that's about one or two semester in a CalState.
She now has begun to listen to my words a lot better than before.. having your own mind is good.. but using your mind to make bad decisions is really bad. She didnt look into the facts just the fact that the promise of money in teh end towards college.. and what did she get 3K.. that's about one or two semester in a CalState.
Hmmm, and here I thought the headlines read:
Congress authorizes use of force: Byrd fights to the end, but Senate backs Bush by big margin
Weird, I swear that the United States Senate is composed of approx. 50% Democrats? Guess Bush twisted their arms to go along with him.
Halliburton was supplying parts and equipment that are critical to Iraq's oil-production infrastructure, which everyone agrees was on the brink of collapse because UN sanctions prevented replacement parts and equipment from entering Iraq. The needed repairs and upgrades were critical to maintaining Iraq's oil-for-food program which Iraqi citizens are so desperately dependent upon (since Hussein would rather his people starve to death in order to make the US look bad).
The only way it's false is if they don't give what's in the contract. But when they say something different than what the contract says, it's the person's fault for not reading the contract. Stuff like that happens all the time.
I don't know many people who joined the military without speaking to others who have served first. Anyone who has served will tell you that most recruiters lie.
I don't know many people who joined the military without speaking to others who have served first. Anyone who has served will tell you that most recruiters lie.
What? You are mistaken. We haven't gone down... this is how the US was founded. I mean George Washinton was a slave owner (who would only grant them freedom upon his death), a drug cartel leader (tobacco), a real estate agent who bought land to the west which he sold for a huge profit (gee, I wonder why he didn't like the Proclomation of 1763), and sent numerous waves of armies to get rid of the Indians already iving there.
This is America. We are capitalists!
Oh of course this was all socially acceptable back then of course, meaning hes exempt right... after all hes our revered first President!!!
As a registered Republican (the decision to register as such was the reason I got a full frontal lobotamy) I must say that Bush and his administration (save Rumsfield and Powell) are the anti-Christs.
Seriously though, they scare the sh!t out of me.
This administration has been FAR FAR too eager and willing to trample on freedoms and rights for the illusion of safety.
On the whole, I prefer a Republican administration, just not THIS Republican administration.
As for the Bush administration's foriegn policy: more power to them. As an American I want all threats to our way of life eliminated. That's as plain as I can put it.
Do I care if this way of thinking disturbs everyone who is not American? Not in the slightest.
Life is a jungle. Only the strongest survive.
Hey, at least I am honest. And if you don't think nearly every nation on earth is run by people equally as willing to defend thier interests you are sadly naive.
However, willing does not equal capable. No one is as capable of asserting thier interests as the US. Yay for us. Boo for you.
Seriously though, they scare the sh!t out of me.
This administration has been FAR FAR too eager and willing to trample on freedoms and rights for the illusion of safety.
On the whole, I prefer a Republican administration, just not THIS Republican administration.
As for the Bush administration's foriegn policy: more power to them. As an American I want all threats to our way of life eliminated. That's as plain as I can put it.
Do I care if this way of thinking disturbs everyone who is not American? Not in the slightest.
Life is a jungle. Only the strongest survive.
Hey, at least I am honest. And if you don't think nearly every nation on earth is run by people equally as willing to defend thier interests you are sadly naive.
However, willing does not equal capable. No one is as capable of asserting thier interests as the US. Yay for us. Boo for you.
If we take your policy, terrorism will be a part of American life forever. The point is we will never eliminate all threats. This hawkish policy by the Bush administration is only making the problem worse. There are some people in America who actually want to visit and do business with other countries without being seen as the badass tyrant scum of the earth.
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