Congress and the Presidential Administration during a Government Shutdown.

[bfdd]

Can someone explain to me why they are exempt from a government shutdown? If anything they should be the first to lay down their salaries and those of their staffers. Lead by example for fucks sake, but what do you expect from a Congress with a 13% approval rating.

Can we kill the bickering over Crips vs Bloods now? It's us, the regular joe, vs them, the ruling assholes, now. If you want to continue the stupid fucking charade of Red vs Blue, just go kill yourself because you're dragging the rest of us down.

 

[Fern]

I think they would be exempt if only (at least) for national security purposes.

Fern

 

[bfdd]

Fuck that. Those assholes can have their pay freeze as well. I can understand access to budgets to continue things like national security, but their pay? Please.. those assholes should be the first ones to feel a cut.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

The Senate passed a specific measure to stop congressional payments in the event of a shutdown. The House facetiously put a similar provision to do the same in the budget they passed.

 

[CallMeJoe]

If the White House and the Congress shut down with the rest of the government, how is the government ever to restart?

 

[werepossum]

The Senate passed a specific measure to stop congressional payments in the event of a shutdown. The House facetiously put a similar provision to do the same in the budget they passed.

LOL! The Democrat Senate nobly acted; the evil Republican House facetiously did the same within the budget. For those keeping track, that would be the budget that both House and Senate are charged with passing. Specifically, it would be the budget that the last Democrat-controlled House and Senate were legally obligated to pass and did not.

Honestly, anyone as one-dimensional as yourself should develop a very healthy fear of totally disappearing. It's a short step!

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

LOL! The Democrat Senate nobly acted; the evil Republican House facetiously did the same within the budget. For those keeping track, that would be the budget that both House and Senate are charged with passing. Specifically, it would be the budget that the last Democrat-controlled House and Senate were legally obligated to pass and did not.

Honestly, anyone as one-dimensional as yourself should develop a very healthy fear of totally disappearing. It's a short step!

You're one to talk. Feel free to explain how putting it in the very budget bill that if passed would negate any need for it is something other than facetious.

 

[Fern]

If the White House and the Congress shut down with the rest of the government, how is the government ever to restart?

Haha

Excellent point!

Fern

 

[werepossum]

You're one to talk. Feel free to explain how putting it in the very budget bill that if passed would negate any need for it is something other than facetious.

Feel free to explain why the Democrats didn't do their job when they had overwhelming majorities. Then this whole issue becomes moot.

 

[bfdd]

If the White House and the Congress shut down with the rest of the government, how is the government ever to restart?

They don't have to shut down, they can just take their pay freeze while they figure out what the fuck to do. I don't really think that's to much to ask.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Feel free to explain why the Democrats didn't do their job when they had overwhelming majorities. Then this whole issue becomes moot.

Don't sidestep the issue. You made it one. Rep. Moran introduced the same legislation the Senate passed over a month ago. Why didn't the House do the same? Explain or STFU.

 

[theeedude]

I haven't been following this saga recently, is GOP going to shut down the government again?

 

[werepossum]

The Senate passed a specific measure to stop congressional payments in the event of a shutdown. The House facetiously put a similar provision to do the same in the budget they passed.

Don't sidestep the issue. You made it one. Rep. Moran introduced the same legislation the Senate passed over a month ago. Why didn't the House do the same? Explain or STFU.

Have someone read to you your own post and then explain to you exactly who made this an issue. The Dems did a stunt; the Pubbies answered with another stunt. Stopping Congressional pay, while admittedly harder on the Republicans than on the Democrats who tend to be wealthier, does absolutely nothing to solve the problem of passing the budget that the Democrats neglected to pass.

Had the Dems done their job when they were so required by law, then today they would have ALL their precious deficit spending. The aptly named Moran should address his energies to doing his own neglected job rather than trying to score cheap political points.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Have someone read to you your own post and then explain to you exactly who made this an issue. The Dems did a stunt; the Pubbies answered with another stunt. Stopping Congressional pay, while admittedly harder on the Republicans than on the Democrats who tend to be wealthier, does absolutely nothing to solve the problem of passing the budget that the Democrats neglected to pass.

Had the Dems done their job when they were so required by law, then today they would have ALL their precious deficit spending. The aptly named Moran should address his energies to doing his own neglected job rather than trying to score cheap political points.

Do you not understand the subject of this thread? It is specifically about congress getting paid during a shutdown. The Senate delivered a pay freeze in that event. It wasn't even a partisan vote, it was unanimous. The House failed to deliver. Them's just the facts. Sort of like you being a partisan dick.

 

[werepossum]

Do you not understand the subject of this thread? It is specifically about congress getting paid during a shutdown. The Senate delivered a pay freeze in that event. It wasn't even a partisan vote, it was unanimous. The House failed to deliver. Them's just the facts. Sort of like you being a partisan dick.

Then in that case it was still not me who made it an issue, it was bfdd. But you're right, it wasn't you; you merely made it a partisan issue.

However the true issue is still passing the budget, NOT whether Congress gets paid during the shut-down or, like the rest of the federal government, gets back pay afterward.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Then in that case it was still not me who made it an issue, it was bfdd.

Nope, you took issue with labeling of what the House pulled as facetious. Still waiting on that explanation on how it's not.

But you're right, it wasn't you; you merely made it a partisan issue.

Better scroll back up and see who initiated the partisan labels. Hint: you. Even got in a juvenile jab at a Rep's name. Nice.

However the true issue is still passing the budget, NOT whether Congress gets paid during the shut-down or, like the rest of the federal government, gets back pay afterward.

Then start a thread about that and put your hackery there.

 

[werepossum]

Nope, you took issue with labeling of what the House pulled as facetious. Still waiting on that explanation on how it's not.


Better scroll back up and see who initiated the partisan labels. Hint: you. Even got in a juvenile jab at a Rep's name. Nice.


Then start a thread about that and put your hackery there.

Actually my issue was with you suggesting that the Senate vote was not equally facetious. Reid pulled a stunt; Boehnor matched him. Both sides have to establish a budget OR finish out the year with continuing resolutions; the major difference is that the Senate has the same leadership that caused the problem by NOT doing its job in the first place. Whether Congress gets paid during a shutdown, or after a shutdown, is immaterial.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Actually my issue was with you suggesting that the Senate vote was not equally facetious. Reid pulled a stunt; Boehnor matched him. Both sides have to establish a budget OR finish out the year with continuing resolutions; the major difference is that the Senate has the same leadership that caused the problem by NOT doing its job in the first place. Whether Congress gets paid during a shutdown, or after a shutdown, is immaterial.

The Senate legislation wasn't facetious. One hundred senators apparently agree with me.

 

[werepossum]

The Senate legislation wasn't facetious. One hundred senators apparently agree with me.

LOL One hundred Senators agree that accepting a paycheck when ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC are doing sob stories about furloughed government employees is politically a bad idea. That in no way reduces its facetiousness unless you somehow imagine that Congress not receiving a paycheck in some way helps the problems of not having a budget and the exploding debt. For Christ's sake, this is the same Senate that couldn't even agree to defund Navada's cowboy poetry festival and you think this was NOT facetious?

 

[Jhhnn]

You're dancing awfully hard, werepossum... maybe you just need to fess up to having a knee jerk reaction in favor of your heroes in the Republican HOR and let it go at that.

Their resolution was, in truth, completely meaningless and intended to deceive- it worked on you, anyway, until pointed out to you.

 

[JD50]

You're dancing awfully hard, werepossum... maybe you just need to fess up to having a knee jerk reaction in favor of your heroes in the Republican HOR and let it go at that.

Their resolution was, in truth, completely meaningless and intended to deceive- it worked on you, anyway, until pointed out to you.

Uhhh...he already said that he knows it was a stunt by the Republicans...

 

[ProfJohn]

Government shut down = a few extra days off with pay for government workers

The whole concept is the biggest bunch of BS in existence. The office shut down for a few days, everyone gets some time off, a few people make news appearances crying about how they can't feed their kids and then they pass the budget and everyone gets back pay.

The whole thing is political BS at its worst.

 

[boomerang]

I guess we've got a younger generation that doesn't know we've been through this before. It's pretty much a non-issue. I get the feeling that many think that all of DC will empty out with birds flying through the offices, vines growing up the windows and critters shitting on desks.

Nobody is going to lose a dime in pay. A budget will be passed and the back pay will flow. It's all posturing. All essential services will continue. SS checks will still go out, etc.

I actually don't see anyone, even in the media, painting a gloom and doom scenario so I guess I'm wondering where all the anxiety is coming from.

 

[werepossum]

Uhhh...he already said that he knows it was a stunt by the Republicans...

Exactly. The notion that the Senate made something significant is laughable.

Government shut down = a few extra days off with pay for government workers

The whole concept is the biggest bunch of BS in existence. The office shut down for a few days, everyone gets some time off, a few people make news appearances crying about how they can't feed their kids and then they pass the budget and everyone gets back pay.

The whole thing is political BS at its worst.

Agreed.

I guess we've got a younger generation that doesn't know we've been through this before. It's pretty much a non-issue. I get the feeling that many think that all of DC will empty out with birds flying through the offices, vines growing up the windows and critters shitting on desks.

Nobody is going to lose a dime in pay. A budget will be passed and the back pay will flow. It's all posturing. All essential services will continue. SS checks will still go out, etc.

I actually don't see anyone, even in the media, painting a gloom and doom scenario so I guess I'm wondering where all the anxiety is coming from.

Exactly. The only government employees hurt are the ones who are non-essential AND are too freaking stupid to hold back enough money to go a month without a paycheck, and they will then get a big chunk too. Been there, done that, political grandstanding noted.

 

[Fern]

I guess we've got a younger generation that doesn't know we've been through this before. It's pretty much a non-issue. I get the feeling that many think that all of DC will empty out with birds flying through the offices, vines growing up the windows and critters shitting on desks.

Nobody is going to lose a dime in pay. A budget will be passed and the back pay will flow. It's all posturing. All essential services will continue. SS checks will still go out, etc.

I actually don't see anyone, even in the media, painting a gloom and doom scenario so I guess I'm wondering where all the anxiety is coming from.

Pretty much.

Although I do see the media (political shows on cable) talk about this.

The politicians and talking heads all seem to think the American people are gonna go nuts over this like back in '96 (or whenever).

We'll see. But I'm guessing the attitude over a gov shutdown this time will be more like 'GREAT!, who cares?".

Fern