Congress’s Exemption from Obamacare

[sportage]

I'd suggest no one get upset about healthcare reform until AFTER its fully in implemented.
And AFTER you hear of anyone that had not a chance in hell getting coverage pre-reform, then suddenly realized they can now get coverage, when that person starts crying foul they now have healthcare coverage, then I might listen.

I've heard of no one, not a single person now able to have coverage, getting upset because they can now suddenly enjoy coverage.
Has anyone heard of even one single college student, now able to sign onto their parents plan, upset about that benefit? Anyone????

Have you heard of even one pre-existing-condition individual barred from healthcare, getting upset they can no longer be turned away?

One single individual that hit their life time medical expense cap, getting upset those caps are no longer applicable?

Have you heard even one person suggesting it is far more desirable to NOT have healthcare, to go totally without, than to be covered?

Listening to the right wing dooms day sayers, you'd think healthcare availability was a bad thing.
And 99.999999 % of those opposed to YOU having coverage, THEY already enjoy their own personal full family coverage by either government employed congressional perks, or right wing radio show/television show blow hards with multi-million dollar employment contracts living in multi-million dollar homes.
Funny how THEY don't want YOU to have access to healthcare. Isn't it????
Their twisted perverted spin is that it would be far more desirable for YOU to not have any healthcare at all, than to have.

I guess these dooms-day self-serving prophets feel the typical uninsured John Doe has a pot of money stashed away, just for ones healthcare needs.
I guess in a way maybe they do, in a twisted sense.
Its called PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY.
Well... except republicans lead by none other than Senator Grassley (IA) made damn sure bankruptcy and healthcare devastation mix like oil and water.
You can thank republicans for that little legal gift.

Healthcare? Nope! Personal financial devastation from healthcare needs? Sorry Charlie.
I guess they want it both ways, both ways where the average John Doe is raped financially one way or the other.
No healthcare. No financial relief.

Having healthcare coverage is a good thing, by the way.
For note for those on the right confused with the matter.
And even better for those already enjoying coverage all along by lowering premiums.

Personally, I have always had employer based health insurance.
And seen those premiums rise year after year.
Providers changed by the company year after year just to cope with rising costs.
This last year with the healthcare reform in and going into effect, for the first time premiums were actually lowered for employees while maintaining unchanged benefits.
THAT has NEVER happened before in my entire many years of employer based healthcare. Not once!
Premiums lowered. Benefits fully retained.
You will NEVER get those results from a republican controlled government. PERIOD!

And despite what some from the right try to tell people, the trend BEFORE reform was with more people losing coverage year by year, not the opposite.

But all this you will have to figure that out for yourselves.
Hopefully not the hard way....

Your task, should you hopefully chose to accept it, is to vote the obstructionist republicans OUT of the House and Senate, first the opportunity.
Then, and only then will people realize having affordable, all inclusive healthcare is factually a good thing for everyone involved.

 

[woolfe9998]

The Dems voted for it as political cover. Grassley maneuvered them masterfully; either they agreed to live with what they mandate for everyone else, or they admit they want a double standard where they pass one set of laws for the peons whilst maintaining a higher set of standards for themselves. As for the staffers, the decision at the time was that committee staff were more or less permanent federal employees, whereas Congressional staffers were adjuncts to the Congresscritters themselves. Hard to argue with that point, I think, given that Congressional staffers come and go with their own particular Congresscritter. I can support that decision because I do not think that "service" in D.C. should be a way of life.

Oh, I agree that Grassley played them masterfully. He gets credit for top notch political gamemanship, and the dems obviously lost that round. However, the entire thing is nonsense. Whether Congress keeps their insurance or not has nothing to do with the merit of the bill. Then again, so much of what the GOP did had nothing to do with the merit of the bill. It's never been about healthcare reform for them. It's always been about winning.

I notice some GOP staffers are also threatening to leave over this. It's absurd and needs to be fixed.

 

[cubby1223]

I'd suggest no one get upset about healthcare reform until AFTER its fully in implemented.
And AFTER you hear of anyone that had not a chance in hell getting coverage pre-reform, then suddenly realized they can now get coverage, when that person starts crying foul they now have healthcare coverage, then I might listen.
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Some people positively benefit from Obamacare, while other people are negatively affected by Obamacare. That is how the legislation was created.

And your argument is that those who benefit from Obamacare like Obamacare, therefore Obamacare is good? While those who are negatively affected should be ignored? Silenced?

You present such a complete argument I commend you and your thoughts!

 

[dank69]

Below.


Rudder said none of that.

I ran you through this exercise because I wanted it to be perfectly clear to you that I didn't say that Rudder said anything. I said he was going to say something to people IRL. Even after going through it a second time, you still either fail to acknowledge this or fail to recognize this. Truth is, neither one of us knows what he actually has said to people IRL so your statement that "Rudder said none of that" is just as unprovable as my statement.

The only reason I made the statement is because it was clear that he didn't read the article or the thread (which he acknowledged, btw so I'm at least 3 for 4), so I ASSumed he was running on the title only which would lead anyone to believe that Congress is trying to exempt themselves from Obamacare completely, given no other information. Maybe he was aware of the details and just wanted to add an extra talking point or maybe he wasn't aware and after noticing my post he now is. Doesn't really matter all that much as both scenarios result in a net win for me.

He said only what is absolutely true - that Congress seeks to exempt themselves from one of the onerous provisions of Obamacare, not the bill in its entirety.

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What's really funny in context of this conversation is that he actually said none of that until after I posted.

 

[cubby1223]

I ran you through this exercise because I wanted it to be perfectly clear to you that I didn't say that Rudder said anything. I said he was going to say something to people IRL. Even after going through it a second time, you still either fail to acknowledge this or fail to recognize this. Truth is, neither one of us knows what he actually has said to people IRL so your statement that "Rudder said none of that" is just as unprovable as my statement.

The only reason I made the statement is because it was clear that he didn't read the article or the thread (which he acknowledged, btw so I'm at least 3 for 4), so I ASSumed he was running on the title only which would lead anyone to believe that Congress is trying to exempt themselves from Obamacare completely, given no other information. Maybe he was aware of the details and just wanted to add an extra talking point or maybe he wasn't aware and after noticing my post he now is. Doesn't really matter all that much as both scenarios result in a net win for me.



What's really funny in context of this conversation is that he actually said none of that until after I posted.

Ah, your style of arguing is not to present arguments of your own but to find some nitpicked grammatical issue to tear other people down, thus winning by default?

The problem is while you may claim your own personally victory, nobody gives a shit about it. Congratulations on being a lonely person.

Obamacare reaches into the entirety of health care. The only way to not be affected by Obamacare is to not make use of health care services in the U.S. Everyone knows this. However you want to spin your "victory", the fact still remains that congress & entities congress has approved of are subject to a different set of rules than the rest of us must follow. That is what they argue, that is what they continue to argue, and overall they are more right than you are.

 

[werepossum]

Oh, I agree that Grassley played them masterfully. He gets credit for top notch political gamemanship, and the dems obviously lost that round. However, the entire thing is nonsense. Whether Congress keeps their insurance or not has nothing to do with the merit of the bill. Then again, so much of what the GOP did had nothing to do with the merit of the bill. It's never been about healthcare reform for them. It's always been about winning.

I notice some GOP staffers are also threatening to leave over this. It's absurd and needs to be fixed.

Did the Dems really lose? Seems to me they got what they wanted and now they will either change the law or just ignore it to avoid paying the price they agreed to pay.

 

[cubby1223]

It really is quite interesting how the arguments on the two sides go.

The "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" is generally used as the label that describes all the positive benefits of the legislation & none of the negatives, while Obamacare is used to describe all the negative effects of the legislation & none of the positives.

 

[dank69]

Ah, your style of arguing is not to present arguments of your own but to find some nitpicked grammatical issue to tear other people down, thus winning by default?

The problem is while you may claim your own personally victory, nobody gives a shit about it. Congratulations on being a lonely person.

Obamacare reaches into the entirety of health care. The only way to not be affected by Obamacare is to not make use of health care services in the U.S. Everyone knows this. However you want to spin your "victory", the fact still remains that congress & entities congress has approved of are subject to a different set of rules than the rest of us must follow. That is what they argue, that is what they continue to argue, and overall they are more right than you are.

I "nitpicked a grammatical issue" because a poster was attacking me for something I didn't do, and the grammatical issue was the core of the disagreement. You make it sound like the only reason I even posted in here was to nitpick grammar, and that's because you are an idiot. Congratulations on being a stupid person.