Congrats to Mariano Rivera

[ThePresence]

4th pitcher in baseball history to earn his 400th career save. Text

 

[deftron]

roids

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: deftron
roids

:roll:

as much as I hate the Yankees I gotta give it up to Rivera.

 

[Legendary]

Congrats to him and the Yanks for sweeping the defending WS champs.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

You know, you should tell that to baseball teams. It would save them alot of money. They obviously have no idea what they're doing.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Well he does have a point. It is quite the overrated stat.
Closers come in to pitch a couple innings when you have a lead, and throw ridiculous heat. He's not in there hurling most of the game.

Either way, he's the best closer in baseball today.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

 

[drum]

I really don't like the Yankees, or the red sox for that matter. that being said, Rivera and Derek Jeter are class acts and fantastic baseball players that I would love to have on my team anytime.

It's too bad my Indians suck big floppy donkey **** this year. 🙁

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

 

[Reckoner]

Rivera's the best closer of all time

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

you've obviously never seen the Indians try to save a game.
i'm not comfortable with a 5 run lead :laugh:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. But the numbers don't lie. The modern role of closer is nothing compared to the traditional role of closer: From BaseballHallofFame.org


"The numbers tell us quite a bit. Sutter pitched at least two innings in 43.3% of his career saves, more than any of the others. Gossage and Fingers weren't far behind, with Fingers the only pitcher who pitched at least three innings in more than 10% of his saves. Sutter and Gossage had more saves where they logged at least two innings than saves where they pitched an inning or less.

Contrast their innings with those pitched by Eckersley, Rivera, and Hoffman. The great majority of their saves involved pitching one inning or less, with few appearances outside of the 9th inning. Look at it this way: from May 27 through July 4, 1984 (39 days), Sutter had more saves where he pitched at least two innings (nine) than Hoffman has in his whole career, and the same number as Rivera has in his career. Gossage did the same thing from August 15, 1980 through the end of that season, and Fingers accomplished it in a 53-day stretch in 1978. These pitchers acted as their own "set-up" men. They joined the fray in the 7th or 8th inning when the lead was threatened, put out the fire, and finished the job themselves."

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. But the numbers don't lie. The modern role of closer is nothing compared to the traditional role of closer: From BaseballHallofFame.org


"The numbers tell us quite a bit. Sutter pitched at least two innings in 43.3% of his career saves, more than any of the others. Gossage and Fingers weren't far behind, with Fingers the only pitcher who pitched at least three innings in more than 10% of his saves. Sutter and Gossage had more saves where they logged at least two innings than saves where they pitched an inning or less.

Contrast their innings with those pitched by Eckersley, Rivera, and Hoffman. The great majority of their saves involved pitching one inning or less, with few appearances outside of the 9th inning. Look at it this way: from May 27 through July 4, 1984 (39 days), Sutter had more saves where he pitched at least two innings (nine) than Hoffman has in his whole career, and the same number as Rivera has in his career. Gossage did the same thing from August 15, 1980 through the end of that season, and Fingers accomplished it in a 53-day stretch in 1978. These pitchers acted as their own "set-up" men. They joined the fray in the 7th or 8th inning when the lead was threatened, put out the fire, and finished the job themselves."

Yeah, but here's what you forget. In today's era the pitchers have to deal with much bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not.

 

[yosuke188]

Even I, a true Red Sox fan, respect what Rivera has accomplished.

 

[Reckoner]

That cutter Rivera throws is amazing. He could walk to the batter, tell him it's coming, throw, and the guy still wouldn't have a chance

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. But the numbers don't lie. The modern role of closer is nothing compared to the traditional role of closer: From BaseballHallofFame.org


"The numbers tell us quite a bit. Sutter pitched at least two innings in 43.3% of his career saves, more than any of the others. Gossage and Fingers weren't far behind, with Fingers the only pitcher who pitched at least three innings in more than 10% of his saves. Sutter and Gossage had more saves where they logged at least two innings than saves where they pitched an inning or less.

Contrast their innings with those pitched by Eckersley, Rivera, and Hoffman. The great majority of their saves involved pitching one inning or less, with few appearances outside of the 9th inning. Look at it this way: from May 27 through July 4, 1984 (39 days), Sutter had more saves where he pitched at least two innings (nine) than Hoffman has in his whole career, and the same number as Rivera has in his career. Gossage did the same thing from August 15, 1980 through the end of that season, and Fingers accomplished it in a 53-day stretch in 1978. These pitchers acted as their own "set-up" men. They joined the fray in the 7th or 8th inning when the lead was threatened, put out the fire, and finished the job themselves."

Yeah, but here's what you forget. In today's era the pitchers have to deal with much bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not.

Wow, how quickly you're changing your tune. Five minutes ago you were worshipping Rivera for being an ironman who once in a while (GASP!!!) works two innings!! (All bow and genuflect to a pitcher who can record 6 outs). Now that you're presented with the proof of what REAL closers used to do as opposed to modern pansy closers you're suddenly factoring in steroids and ballpark sizes. SO FREAKING WHAT? The set-up men are dealing with the same thing. They're coming into the game when it's really on the line. They're facing men on base, narrow leads and the prospect of having to pitch 2 or 3 scoreless innings. They're pitching to "bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not" and they're getting guys out to protect the lead in the real heat of the battle. Then the almighty closer la-di-dahs himself out of the bullpen, does for one inning what the set-up man did for 2 or 3 and gets the save. So what is the save itself worth? NOTHING!

 

[RabidMongoose]

Rivera is a very good pitcher, but I have to agree that 'Saves' is a very very overrated statistic. It really means almost nothing. Fortunately for him, his other numbers are fantastic.

 

[yosuke188]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. But the numbers don't lie. The modern role of closer is nothing compared to the traditional role of closer: From BaseballHallofFame.org


"The numbers tell us quite a bit. Sutter pitched at least two innings in 43.3% of his career saves, more than any of the others. Gossage and Fingers weren't far behind, with Fingers the only pitcher who pitched at least three innings in more than 10% of his saves. Sutter and Gossage had more saves where they logged at least two innings than saves where they pitched an inning or less.

Contrast their innings with those pitched by Eckersley, Rivera, and Hoffman. The great majority of their saves involved pitching one inning or less, with few appearances outside of the 9th inning. Look at it this way: from May 27 through July 4, 1984 (39 days), Sutter had more saves where he pitched at least two innings (nine) than Hoffman has in his whole career, and the same number as Rivera has in his career. Gossage did the same thing from August 15, 1980 through the end of that season, and Fingers accomplished it in a 53-day stretch in 1978. These pitchers acted as their own "set-up" men. They joined the fray in the 7th or 8th inning when the lead was threatened, put out the fire, and finished the job themselves."

Yeah, but here's what you forget. In today's era the pitchers have to deal with much bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not.

Wow, how quickly you're changing your tune. Five minutes ago you were worshipping Rivera for being an ironman who once in a while (GASP!!!) works two innings!! (All bow and genuflect to a pitcher who can record 6 outs). Now that you're presented with the proof of what REAL closers used to do as opposed to modern pansy closers you're suddenly factoring in steroids and ballpark sizes. SO FREAKING WHAT? The set-up men are dealing with the same thing. They're coming into the game when it's really on the line. They're facing men on base, narrow leads and the prospect of having to pitch 2 or 3 scoreless innings. They're pitching to "bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not" and they're getting guys out to protect the lead in the real heat of the battle. Then the almighty closer la-di-dahs himself out of the bullpen, does for one inning what the set-up man did for 2 or 3 and gets the save. So what is the save itself worth? NOTHING!

So you would now call starting pitchers who can't complete all the games they start worthless? The game has changed quite a bit and it's not fair to compare to the way back then.

Now I agree that the closer roll is still overrated, but you can understand the importance of them because starting pitchers rarely complete a game now, if they even get through the 8th.

 

[schneiderguy]

yankees suck
rivera sucks
jeter sucks even more
they all suck

 

[BHeemsoth]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy
yankees suck
rivera sucks
jeter sucks even more
they all suck

:roll:

You forgot how A-Rod and Giambi suck too.

Idiots.


Mariano is one of the best relievers of all time. Just look at his playoff numbers, and how he has performed in countless big games, sans of course a few big games against the Red Sox.

 

[darkswordsman17]

The only stat that matters at all in any sport is wins-losses.

Its stupid to try to compare modern baseball to any other era, especially as far as stats go.

The fact is, Rivera is a great player and he helps them win games.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Congrat to Rivera for accumulating a large number of the most worthless, overrated stat in baseball history. Yesterday he gave up 2 earned runs in a single inning of work which works out to an ERA or 18.00 and still got the save. In most games the guys working the middle innings are the ones really saving games. The position of "closer" is just a glorified mop-up man. Today he truly did "save" the game, most times though he's just protecting a 2 or 3 run lead for an inning.

Hah, ok whatever.

Yeah, fall down on the ground and worship a guy for only giving up 2 runs in an inning when the team has a 3 run lead, wow, that's an accomplishment. Remember that a pitcher could have an ERA of 18 and NEVER blow a save.

Try using your brain once in a while. Having a quality pitcher to work the 9th is fine. It's the save itself that's useless. Who is more valuable? A guy who comes in in the 6th inning with the bases loaded and nobody out with the team leading 5-2 and pitches out of it, then works a scoreless 7th and 8th or the guy who comes in for the 9th of that 5-2 game, gives up 2 runs and the team wins 5-4? Simple, the pitcher who worked out of the jam did his job, the guy who worked the 9th sucked. But the guy who really saved the game gets nothing while the ineffective guy is given a "save" and it's pure BS. Most games are "saved" by the set-up man while the stat is given to whoever records the final out.

Some of what you say is true. But Rivera is different. The amount of tough saves the guy has, many 8th inning saves are much more than most closers.

If that's what you want to believe, fine. But the numbers don't lie. The modern role of closer is nothing compared to the traditional role of closer: From BaseballHallofFame.org


"The numbers tell us quite a bit. Sutter pitched at least two innings in 43.3% of his career saves, more than any of the others. Gossage and Fingers weren't far behind, with Fingers the only pitcher who pitched at least three innings in more than 10% of his saves. Sutter and Gossage had more saves where they logged at least two innings than saves where they pitched an inning or less.

Contrast their innings with those pitched by Eckersley, Rivera, and Hoffman. The great majority of their saves involved pitching one inning or less, with few appearances outside of the 9th inning. Look at it this way: from May 27 through July 4, 1984 (39 days), Sutter had more saves where he pitched at least two innings (nine) than Hoffman has in his whole career, and the same number as Rivera has in his career. Gossage did the same thing from August 15, 1980 through the end of that season, and Fingers accomplished it in a 53-day stretch in 1978. These pitchers acted as their own "set-up" men. They joined the fray in the 7th or 8th inning when the lead was threatened, put out the fire, and finished the job themselves."

Yeah, but here's what you forget. In today's era the pitchers have to deal with much bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not.

Wow, how quickly you're changing your tune. Five minutes ago you were worshipping Rivera for being an ironman who once in a while (GASP!!!) works two innings!! (All bow and genuflect to a pitcher who can record 6 outs). Now that you're presented with the proof of what REAL closers used to do as opposed to modern pansy closers you're suddenly factoring in steroids and ballpark sizes. SO FREAKING WHAT? The set-up men are dealing with the same thing. They're coming into the game when it's really on the line. They're facing men on base, narrow leads and the prospect of having to pitch 2 or 3 scoreless innings. They're pitching to "bigger stronger hitters, much smaller ballparks, juiced ball and what not" and they're getting guys out to protect the lead in the real heat of the battle. Then the almighty closer la-di-dahs himself out of the bullpen, does for one inning what the set-up man did for 2 or 3 and gets the save. So what is the save itself worth? NOTHING!

I never changed any tune, I still think Rivera is awesome. I do concede that you make some good points, but you didn't change my opinion. I think a closer is alot more important than you do. There is a reason some highly skilled pitchers are not successful in that role, it takes more than pitching ability, and there is a very small margin for error. Rivera saves games from the 8th inning with men on base very often, and has 1 run saves very often.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: rpbri2886

Mariano is one of the best relievers of all time.

no he isnt.