Confused- chipsets and MBs

krunt

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My last build was right when the wolfdale e8xxx came out. I put together an e8400 on a p35 Neo2 MB (the one that was a re-badged Platinum) with an 8800gt. Turns out it was an excellent build because it installed without a hickup and it still works just fine. I am not retiring this computer. Instead, i need a second computer for work and light gaming (Civ V comes to mind).

However, the nomenclature used by Intel leaves me wondering... I believe LGA1156 is the way to go, but maybe there is a compelling reason to do something else? If it is a 1156, do I want a P55, H55, H57?

What I do know:
This is going to be a low-cost (not budget, but close) build. No more than $150 for a motherboard.
I am going to pair it with a ~$120 i3-530 (as I do not run very many multi-thread apps) unless there is a good reason to go with something else.
I will probably still add in a discrete graphics card, the gtx 460, if not a lesser card, but definitely no need SLI or CF.
4gb of DDR3 for about $100

Raid would be nice, as would usb3.0 support. e-sata is also a nice bonus (less important if usb3.0 is a viable alternative in the next 6 months) Bluetooth and wifi are nice additions, or expansion slots to add them in.

I think I covered it all. It should be around a $600 build, then another 400 for Win7, peripherals, etc.... So, those in the know, which board fits this build, and is this build even a good idea (e.g. am I missing something here?)

Overclocking is not a concern with this build. I had the e8400 on a massive overclock for a while, it was fun, but this comp needs to be stable and quite with a low temps as it is being placed in a small office. No need for a space-heater here. stability is what I am after.

Thank you for the response.
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Thank you for the responses, especially the breakdown by Strangerguy.

Remember, my key requirements are not blistering performance or great gamming, just stability, low temps and low noise (the latter two being side effects of stability). As I said earlier, this would be a Win7 machine.

As for the graphics card- I want dual monitor support at 1900x1200 (if not higher) and light gaming. I only gave the 460 as an example of what the maximum graphics I would need would be, therefore, emphasizing my lack of need for SLI systems or even PCI-e 2.0x16.

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Let me say that thus far, everyone has been intelligent and helpful (always surprises me when the internet turns out that way). I will find a graphic card that will work, and I think the 4870 is a good option for ~$120. My concern is the MB North bridge chipset.

Based on everyone's response, I am looking at AMD now, but someone please give me an indication on how much of a hassle the AMD mobo drivers will be.
If I do go with AMD, I see no reason not to be with Socket AM3 and take advantage of all DDR3 has to offer. If it is AM3, then which North Bridge. I am hesitant to go back to nForce, though it has been many years since dealt with those issues. That leaves AMD, but there are still a lot of choices and I can't tell the difference except some of them have on board graphics (which probably won't be enough for my dual monitor Areo and light gaming needs).

Awaiting your input and thank you.
 
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StrangerGuy

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All these is from right on top of my head...

P55, H55, H57 all have the same performance and stability for all intents and purposes.

P55 doesn't support the onboard graphics of the Clarkdale i3/i5 CPUs. H55/57 do support them, but since the graphics unit is already on the CPU itself it doesn't affect the graphics performance.

P55 has multi-GPU support. H55/57 doesn't.

P55 is generally more expensive and in ATX form which means more expansion slots.

All three doesn't have native USB 3.0, the board has to use a add-on chip. Guess what, more expensive!
 

vailr

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An AMD video card may provide equivalent performance using less power than the gtx 460. Might want to research that aspect more.
But: why not use the on-CPU Intel graphics (requiring an H55/57 motherboard) and see whether that would be sufficient?
 

Sp12

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I would consider an athlon X4 build, it'd be cheaper and likely perform better.
 

Rifter

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For budget build AMD still offers better performance for the money, for less than $200, closer to $150 if you find a good combo deal or a cheap mobo you can get a Athlon II quad and a mobo.
 

Massive79

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That is well explained by StrangerGuy.
As for comparison for AMD its true that you can get lesser price with better performance with AMD proc, but if you're up to overlclocking, I believe every standard i750 proc is capable of doing 4Ghz, which is a large added performance than the default.

I personally would still choose Intel side right now due that overclocking feature, which I find less attractive on AMD since the X2 processor, and all intel chip mobo offer good range of asymmetric fsb:mem speed setting which help me a lot on maximizing my ram performance.
 

Massive79

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That is well explained by StrangerGuy.
As for comparison for AMD its true that you can get lesser price with better performance with AMD proc, but if you're up to overlclocking, I believe every standard i750 proc is capable of doing 4Ghz, which is a large added performance than the default.

I personally would still choose Intel side right now due that overclocking feature, which I find less attractive on AMD since the X2 processor, and all intel chip mobo offer good range of asymmetric fsb:mem speed setting which help me a lot on maximizing my ram performance.
 

Sp12

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Massive, no overclock is ever guaranteed, and frankly, if his goals are stability, overclocking is probably not the right direction to be taking. I don't think a Clarkdales IGP would be capable of delivering enjoyable gaming in Civ 5, it's basically designed to be able to run Aero without a dedicated GPU for OEM systems.

I've had no issues with either AMD or Intel builds in the past. 1gb 4850/4870s can be had for ~90/100$, and are the best bang/buck available above the value segment right now.

An AMD mobo with an 800 chipset and USB3, like the 870A-UD3 (very highly rated, Intel equivalent is the P55A-UD3) can be had for 106$.

For 100$ you can get a 2.9Ghz Athlon X4, while 140$ will get you a Phenom X4 945, which is higher clocked, has L3 cache, and is probably unnecessary for this build.
 

Pneumothorax

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If you live by a microcenter, I'd get the i5 750 quad core for only $50 more at $170. Or conversely they have the i3 530 for $99. The i5 750 has turbo if you don't want to overclock. I'd look at a ATI 5670 or 5570 for a roughly $100 vid card. Superior to the built in Intel HD on the i3 any day.
 

Sp12

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If you live by a microcenter, I'd get the i5 750 quad core for only $50 more at $170. Or conversely they have the i3 530 for $99. The i5 750 has turbo if you don't want to overclock. I'd look at a ATI 5670 or 5570 for a roughly $100 vid card. Superior to the built in Intel HD on the i3 any day.

There is little reason to get an i3 when you could get an AMD quad for the same price, as that'll be a more enjoyable desktop experience, and also a better game experience for civ 5 and most modern games. It also seems silly to get a low-end 5000 series card when last gen's 4870 can be had for so cheap. A 4870 outpaces a 5770 for at least 50$ less. It would smash a 5670 for the same price.
 

Sp12

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Based on everyone's response, I am looking at AMD now, but someone please give me an indication on how much of a hassle the AMD mobo drivers will be.
If I do go with AMD, I see no reason not to be with Socket AM3 and take advantage of all DDR3 has to offer. If it is AM3, then which North Bridge. I am hesitant to go back to nForce, though it has been many years since dealt with those issues. That leaves AMD, but there are still a lot of choices and I can't tell the difference except some of them have on board graphics (which probably won't be enough for my dual monitor Areo and light gaming needs).

AMD chipsets are fine, and will definitely be included in windows 7 by default. Nforce, on the otherhand, have a very bad rap for instability as of late. The last decent nforce chipset was the nforce2.

I would definitely grab an AM3/DDR3 unless you already have 4GB+ of DDR2 you could reuse. The chipsets should both be 800 series chipsets for lower power consumption and integrated sata3. NB870+SB850 seems to be the best combination for non-SLI setups.

I definitely don't think integrated would be able to handle your needs. I'll spec a build:

PSU: Corsair 400 30$ AR
Ram: 4GB ripjaws 97$
Hard disk: Samsung F3 (or other reputable, terabyte drive) 75$
DVD drive: Highly rated lightscribe model 20$
Athlon X4 635 (2.9GHz) 101$
870A-UD3 107$
Antec 900 (or other attractive, quiet case) 80$ AR
1GB, GDDR5 4870 (you can move up or down in price for a different cooling solution, or go used for even less) 90$ AR

600$ exact ^^. Should warn you that that includes 80$ in rebates though, so you're looking at that out of pocket until the MIR comes through.

You can save 20$ by getting a 500GB drive. As for peripherals, you can get a nice 22in full HD TN panel for as low as 160. If it'll be used for long periods or needs accurate color reproduction, then I would suggest investing in a more expensive, nicer IPS panel.
 
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krunt

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I went with:
Gigabyte 870a ($107)
Asus Radeon 4870 1gb ($90)
AMD X3 440 ($62)
Corsair 450vx ($50)
G.Skill Eco 4gb (2x2) DDR3 1600 ($105)
Spinpoint F3 1tb x 2 ($150) for Raid 1
DVD ($20)
Scythe Katana ($29)

=613. I have a p-150 case that currently has a 3200+ living in it. Time for it to go.
I also got a combo for Win7 out of the ram i think, saved an extra $10.

I am concerned about the fan on the 4870. Everything else in the system should be pretty silent, so we will have to listen for the card.

Thank you all who helped me put this together.
 

Sp12

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I went with:
Gigabyte 870a ($107)
Asus Radeon 4870 1gb ($90)
AMD X3 440 ($62)
Corsair 450vx ($50)
G.Skill Eco 4gb (2x2) DDR3 1600 ($105)
Spinpoint F3 1tb x 2 ($150) for Raid 1
DVD ($20)
Scythe Katana ($29)

=613. I have a p-150 case that currently has a 3200+ living in it. Time for it to go.
I also got a combo for Win7 out of the ram i think, saved an extra $10.

I am concerned about the fan on the 4870. Everything else in the system should be pretty silent, so we will have to listen for the card.

Thank you all who helped me put this together.

Looks good, definitely will be a nice system.

One point I'd like to make is that raid is for data availability, and not backup. In the event of a virus/power issue/data corruption/accidental deletion you're still out the data on both drives, so make sure you have some sort of remote backup!
 

krunt

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I put the system together and everything appears to be running well. Bit of a headache with the Raid install. It kept saying that Windows could not install to the primary partition but I worked that out.

On the upside, the x3 unlocked to an x4, so that's a nice bonus. The fan on the GPU is a bit loud, but not too bad at idle. By a bit loud I mean that I can hear it.
 

Sp12

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I put the system together and everything appears to be running well. Bit of a headache with the Raid install. It kept saying that Windows could not install to the primary partition but I worked that out.

On the upside, the x3 unlocked to an x4, so that's a nice bonus. The fan on the GPU is a bit loud, but not too bad at idle. By a bit loud I mean that I can hear it.

Glad you got the raid worked out.

Nice on the X3, run it through Linx/prime (with coretemp up so you can shut it if you're going to burn it) to make sure the X4 is stable.

Sorry to hear about the GPU fan, there's not a whole lot of options on replacing it, especially for cheap.
 

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I put the system together and everything appears to be running well. Bit of a headache with the Raid install. It kept saying that Windows could not install to the primary partition but I worked that out.

On the upside, the x3 unlocked to an x4, so that's a nice bonus. The fan on the GPU is a bit loud, but not too bad at idle. By a bit loud I mean that I can hear it.

Some of the video gurus may be able to help you with a third-party utility to regulate that fan speed if you feel like it is a problem.




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krunt

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Just an update, the video card was loud because the fan would never throttle below 50%. I do not require a PC to be quite all the time. If I am playing a game or making it work, it is allowed to make noise. But when I am responding to email, or typing this post, it should not be loud.
I used ATI Tray Tools and now the fan will change speeds depending on temperature. I do not know why the catalyst stuff does not do this, or if it does, I could not figure it out (you can set the fan speed to any one speed you want, it will not change based on temps though).

Now, idle GPU temp is in the 50s or 60c and fan speed is at 20%. At 20% it is at 1300rpm, which I think is more than 20%, but it is now spinning in the same range as my case and cpu fans. Now my comp is quite enough.

I am pleased with the system at the price and can recommend a similar build to others.