Confused about nForce2 boards...

StormRider

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I'm thinking of trying out an nForce2 board. In the past, I've owned Sis735 and Via KT400 based boards and now want to try an nForce2 board. But I'm confused about the sound. Do all nForce2 boards have SoundStorm? Or is it just the MCP-T based ones?

And what exactly is SoundStorm? I don't really care about Dolby Digital Encoding (my space doesn't allow me to have a receiver hook up -- I just want to hook up PC speakers to it) but I do want to have SoundStorm processing if you know what I mean. Do the non-MCP-T boards have SoundStorm processing but without the Dolby Encoding?

 

mechBgon

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The MCP-T southbridge has the fancy nVidia audio processors in it. They output a digital signal, which is converted to analog by a coder/decoder ("CODEC") and sent along to the analog jacks, or vice versa for incoming audio.

Soundstorm is an nVidia certification that specifies minimum audio-fidelity requirements and minimum connectivity requirements. So a board must have top-notch audio fidelity and also a digital S/PDIF-output jack to be Soundstorm-certified (and of course, it must have an MCP-T southbridge :D).

People use the term "Soundstorm" to mean that a board has the MCP-T's fancy sound processors, however, so you can't assume that a board claiming to have "Soundstorm" at an online retailer actually meets the nVidia certifications. They might be trying to say "it's got the southbridge with the full-on nVidia audio processors in it."
 

Techie333

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Originally posted by: mechBgon
The MCP-T southbridge has the fancy nVidia audio processors in it. They output a digital signal, which is converted to analog by a coder/decoder ("CODEC") and sent along to the analog jacks, or vice versa for incoming audio.

Soundstorm is an nVidia certification that specifies minimum audio-fidelity requirements and minimum connectivity requirements. So a board must have top-notch audio fidelity and also a digital S/PDIF-output jack to be Soundstorm-certified (and of course, it must have an MCP-T southbridge :D).

People use the term "Soundstorm" to mean that a board has the MCP-T's fancy sound processors, however, so you can't assume that a board claiming to have "Soundstorm" at an online retailer actually meets the nVidia certifications. They might be trying to say "it's got the southbridge with the full-on nVidia audio processors in it."
That just makes me more confused than what I already knew about soundstorm.....

 

mechBgon

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Soundstorm requires

  • the MCP-T southbridge for the audio processors
  • an S/PDIF-out jack supplied with the board, either onboard or on a PCI plate
  • a certain level of audio performance

Currently there are tons of boards with the full nVidia audio processor and analog jacks. Some also have the S/PDIF-out jacks included.

However, there are only four boards that have the third requirement at this time, and they are the ABIT NF7-S, the MSI K7N2G-ILSR, the Shuttle SN41G2 rev. 2, and the Shuttle SN-45G (from nVidia's list of all nForce, nForce2 and nForce3 Pro motherboards).
 

StormRider

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Basically I want SoundStorm without the S/PDIF-out jack since I won't be using it. I want SoundStorm processing (because I hate the idea of using the CPU for sound processing and want ultra low CPU utilization) but don't need the digital out jack -- analog is fine for me.

Is that possible?
 

DerwenArtos12

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ok soundsorm is just the nforce 2 dolby digital output. it has essentially the ac'97 for your standard speakers. ther will not be much of a difference between teh onboard and good soundcard on your old motherboards.
 

StormRider

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Does this mean the non-SoundStorm nForce2 boards will all have low CPU utilization even if they use the Cmedia or Realtek codecs?
 

KF

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Since we are on this subject, what is CPU utilization? What do they do; run a program that gives out CPU utilization numbers? How is it possible for a program to do that? Won't that program use the CPU? How do we know the program isn't reporting numbers that are caused by itself? Aren't some audio processing functions implemented in software and some in hardware, so wouldn't CPU utilization vary depending on what the audio sub-system was called on to do? Even if every audio processing function is 100% in hardware, don't apps such as games have to put together the appropriate sounds, and wouldn't that take up CPU time, possibly dwarfing the time the Audio Processing Unit expends? And since audio processing uses memory (for the sound data) and the various busses to transfer large, continuous quantities of data, would that not interfere and compete with the access the CPU requires, slowing everything else down, even though the APU might be doing all the audio work? Aren't some audio problems, such as "static", caused by the APU hogging the bus, and not due to CPU utilization at all, but to APU utilization? In that case, why is CPU utilization bad and APU utilization good? Maybe a $200 P4 can do it more efficiently than a $5 APU?

IAC, Anandtech has done CPU utilization tests with on-board audio, and found the numbers very low for sound chips such as the ones often used on VIA chipset mobos, and regardless of the numbers, caused no problems in games. The conclusion was that CPU utilization worries were a thing of the past, at least for games.

I tried out an nForce1 motherboard a while ago, the $65 ASUS AN266-VM, and I thought the sound was solid and clean, about all people would want for game explosions and such, and playing popular tunes on under $200 speakers. But I would not say it had that spooky, hi-fi sound, it you are familiar with expensive audio. Now I just got a DFI NFII LanParty, and it being on the expensive side, and using the CMedia codec that is often considered superior to the Realtek, so that I though it would be good enough for what I have, I am quite disappointed in the sound. Some favorite tunes that have exquisitely beautiful sections are distant, grainy and indistinct, and the bass flabby. Maybe the engineers chopped off the highs to get rid of computer noise or something, or maybe my expectations have changed with all this praising of the nForce sound everywhere. This sound is no competiton for the $40 Santa Cruz. But the nForce does behave better than the Santa Cruz in the game I tried. In comparison, the Santa Cruz has messed up the sound effects by randomly playing them normal and barely audible, or cutting off the end, although I have not yet tried it in this mobo. Some people have warned that the sound of motherboards is not the same just because the sound chip is the same. For one thing, computer engineering is not like sound engineering.
 

Vette73

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Just get a Abit NF7-S
It has the Soundstorm sound, firewire, ethernet, SATA ports, etc.....

This has all the bells that any other nForce2 boards will have.
 

mechBgon

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StormRider, it sounds like your needs would be met by a board with the MCP-T southbridge and just the analog-out jacks, such as an EPoX 8RDA+. Marlin1975 has a good suggestion though... the extra features won't hurt anything, and the ABIT seems to have earned a good reputation around here.

One of the perks of the nVidia audio processor, to my way of thinking, is that it lives in the southbridge, not on the PCI bus. I want my PCI bus as uncluttered as practical, at least for my work system (which has two PCI SCSI cards). Low CPU usage with zero PCI usage works for me :D I'm not an audiophile, however, and if I were an audiophile, I'd probably use my A7N266-VM's laser or coaxial S/PDIF-out to send the audio to a high-quality receiver in digital form, bypassing the CODEC completely.

Now here's the interesting thing: I had an A7N8X-X here for a couple days before sending it on to a friend. This board does not have the MCP-T southbridge or the full nVidia audio processors. Nevertheless, when I played UT2003 Demo with this board, it sounded like my A7N266-VM anyway (which has the same audio processors as the nForce2 MCP-T does). Maybe the CPU just has to do the work that the nVidia audio processor would've been doing for it. :confused:

Moral of the story: we might be making mountains out of molehills here ;) Anyway, hope that helps some :)