Conflict between ISP and LAN about IP for NIC (W98se)

[imported_Kiwi]

Following a severe software crash, I ended up wiping the boot drive partition and starting over with a fresh reinstall of Win98se. Until I get this much running clean, I haven't yet done the reinstall of W2K on its own partition for dual boot capability. One thing I did while trying to trouble-shoot the system was to remove a generic modem and replace it with a USR modem that is supposed to be a real one, with all modem processing performed on that board, not via software.

I still don't have the sound card back in its slot, but I had to pull it out before either modem, old or new, could be properly installed (SB Live 5.1). Eventually, I got the Internet going, downloaded the most recent security updates to Win98 (beyond those on the Security CD of a year ago), and started wondering why I couldn't get the LAN working. Eventually, the NIC's install would work, but not in the first PCI slot I tried it in.

The upshot of the LAN's reluctance to connect was its need for a named IP for the NIC; this entry, however, conflicts with the ISP, and as long as there is a number, my connection is a DEAD one. No working communication there. I did try to remove the IP number, but it didn't seem to affect the dumbing-down of the Inet connection, even if it did kill the LAN.

There are three computers on the LAN, and the Laptop never has been set up for the Internet. Previously, the PC I'm having trouble with was my primary eMail and www-surf vehicle; I'd like to get back to that. I use WT-Net, in Houston, and their setup didn't always require a blank IP in the TCP/IP settings. At some point last fall, they changed over to use another backbone service, and I had to edit one or both of the desktop PC's that are on the LAN.

I made the IP configuration "automatic" then, and the LAN was *unaffected*. Seemingly, there is more than one place for the LAN to pick up the IP it needs, and some way to edit things to have both Internet and Local Net. I can't manage to hold on long enough to reach WT-Net's techs; with the new backbone, they are offering more services, and expanding things, but without adding more techs.


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[imported_Kiwi]

🙁 I don't recall any prohibition outside the For-Sale forum about bumps to queries; this question has dropped off the bottom of page one without having been seen by someone familiar with Windows' LAN setup (I have had a lot more experience with Netware from Novell, when it was on business LANs I was dealing with, and not much at all with any kind of Peer to Peer Local Nets).

"What did I do wrong? Where does the manual IP go instead of where I put it?"


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[JackMDS]

I read your post, and I can guess how your system is set but I am not sure.

While you provided irrelevant information (like the stories about Win2000, and SB Live), you did not really describe your Network/Internet settings.

1. Is it a Regular DialUp? If Not what is it USR Robotic make a lot of Modems.

2. If it is Broadband how do you Route?

3. How the LAN is connected (Switch, Router, Wireless, Crossover)?

4. "WT-Net, in Houston" is not Verizon, or RoadRunner, etc. If it is not a regular Internet DialUp service it is unlikely that most of us would be familiar with it and what is the nature of the service that it provides

In regular DialUp setting there is no relation between ISP's Modem IP and LAN's private IPs, and thus they should not compete.

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[imported_Kiwi]

Originally posted by: Kiwi
Following a severe software crash, I ended up wiping the boot drive partition and starting over with a fresh reinstall of Win98se.

Subject: LAN vs. DUN/ISP Conflict, problem freshly stated:

Not too long ago, one of my older PC's suffered from some mysterious ailment and the best fix that I could come up with was to reformat the boot drive for Win98se. But now I can't seem to have both a working LAN and a connection to my ISP.

Initially, there were problems with the (56K) Modem. I got that PC a new one with the USR trademark, supposedly a hardware modem, not a Win-Modem, and with it finally set. the PC could be connected to the net, so I could get all of the W98 patches that aren't on the Security CD from a year ago.

I kept on trying to debug my LAN, since it remained unable to access my (Cat5 ethernet) network after the reinstall. Using a networking trouble-shooting guide that I located c/o some advice from AnandTech, I found that I was suppposed to have an IP entered for my NIC in the Device Manager's Advanced Settings.

But that creates a conflict with what my ISP wants to see for its TCP/IP configuration. With a manually entered IP, my LAN is working, but the Internet connection is faulty. My browser can't find anything. All pages, including my ISP's own home page, are beyond the browser's access. All I get is that there is no such URL, to recheck the address, and this is with zero bytes of data passing either way after the connection is established.

The ISP, WT-Net, is apparently a fairly typical regional internet provider, at least from what I can tell by comparing it to all of that type covered by an annual compilation from a longtime BBS-coverage publisher, whose magazines and books I've kept up with fairly frequently over the past 10-12 years, and whose company name was "Boardwatch".

I'm wondering if there is somewhere else in the network settings I can enter an IP number that will work specifically on the LAN, but not interfere with the Inet Connection?

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[JackMDS]

You have in your computer a 56K modem and a network card.

When the Modem and the NIC installed correctly there should be two Connections in the Control Panel / Network Connections.

One Icon for the Modem and one for the NIC each one has its own properties and TCP/IP entries.

So you configure the Modem TCP/IP with the ISP info, and your LAN with your private LAN settings.

Log to this page it has a lot of links to instructions to Windows Network Settings, and Sharing.

Link to: Windows Network - Installing & Sharing.

Once it works OK, configure Windows ICS for DialUp.

Link to: Windows XP Internet Connection Sharing.

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