**CONFIRMED** Hackers crack Xbox 360 for the first time

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A coder group called Team PI Coder claims to have extracted source files of 360 games as they are loaded on to the console.

Weeks after the release of the Xbox 360, hackers have cracked into the software that runs the console. A group called Team PI Coder have found a way to extract source files as they get loaded on to the console. This is the first step towards hacking the Microsoft device.

Team PI Coder has posted details on several games to the Web along with an "extractor tool" that could potentially be used to copy games, according to Xbox-scene.com.

Downloading such releases is illegal, and you can't do anything with them yet," Xbox-Scene.com said in a posting.

The copies are useless, at least for now, because further Xbox safeguards prevent playing of the copies, and the games also won't run on a PC. In a text file describing the extracted data for Sega's Condemned: Criminal Origins, Team PI Coder said that not much can be done with the files.

"You can't run these dumps yet, but you will be able to sooner or later," it wrote in the note. "So the first task is done. We hope this encourages all hackers, coders and crackers out there to take up the challenge."

Microsoft wouldn't comment on the hacking work by Team PI Coder, but a company representative said the recently launched Xbox 360 is well protected. "We have made improvements on both the hardware and software side to protect Xbox 360 against piracy and modding (modification of components)," the company said in a statement on Friday.

"With Xbox 360, we had the benefit of learning from our experiences on Xbox. This allowed us to identify points of weakness that were exploited by hackers in the first generation and to eliminate those vulnerabilities in Xbox 360," the Microsoft representative said.
 

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I was wondering when I'd see news about this topic.

As far as Microsoft eliminating vulnerabilities from the Xbox 360, it's just a matter of time before hackers exploit more points of weakness. IMO the whole issue is just a game where each side moves the ball down the field, back-and-forth. MS should hire those hackers to work for them. ;)
 

Runes911

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A human made it, it can be unmade. All it takes it time. Just like hacking, ANYTHING can be hacked all it takes is time.
 

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Originally posted by: Runes911
A human made it, it can be unmade. All it takes it time. Just like hacking, ANYTHING can be hacked all it takes is time.
Just be careful, or you could end up doing some "time" ;)

 

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Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Originally posted by: Runes911
A human made it, it can be unmade. All it takes it time. Just like hacking, ANYTHING can be hacked all it takes is time.
Just be careful, or you could end up doing some "time" ;)

True...True...Sooo True.. ;)
 

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Of course it can be "unmade," like you said, anything can be unmade. However, what is the cost of unmaking something? Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000? It really depends on how tough MS got with their anti piracy design. Someone mentioned that they should have hired the hackers of the origional xbox, which, oddly enough, had been rumored to have happened. Even if they didn't, MS does have some smart people working for them. I would guess that they probably have a version of every mod chip made for the origional xbox in house somewhere, and they probably know how they work.

Not that I think there's anything wrong with it... I have an X3 in my xbox...
 

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Spong is reporting that the first modchips should be available in about a month.
 

AnyMal

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woopdeedoo they captured some source files.. they havn't "cracked" anything yet.
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: djmihow
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woopdeedoo they captured some source files.. they havn't "cracked" anything yet.

Apparently they have if mod chips are coming out.

Let us know when they come out, then I'll give them well-deserved props.
 

Looney

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They didn't cracked anything... they just copied some files over, and who knows if it's even all the files, because NOBODY CAN RUN IT.
 

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The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?

The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.
 

warcrow

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Originally posted by: Atheus
The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?

The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.

You own the product, but not the code that MS developed to run the product. They developed that software and they have a right to protect their IP so it's encrypted -what's wrong with that? You can mode your console all you wish with faceplates, stickers, paint....whatever you wish externally (good luck on the resell). But when one tries to modify the machine's capabilities, something its restricting to do like play import games, then they have a right to stop that. For whatever reasons they have, usually its to control the released content in different regions. Why doesnt that make sense to you?
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Even if they didn't, MS does have some smart people working for them.


which is why windows genuine advantage lasted so long? please, it WILL be a cracked

not to call the people at MS dumb, but the crackers are just as smart
 

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The hackers have the advantage that they always get the ball last. They see what Microsoft does to protect their code, then they counter it.... so it'll always be a back and forth thing.. microsoft makes something that can't be cracked with current techniques and then the hackers create new techniques. It's really no different than any other software or copy protection. MS has very talented people working to stop the crackers and the crackers have very smart people working to defeat it. But like I said, the hackers always get to go last so they'll always get the final word on each new release.

 

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I would be willing to be that there will not be a modchip in another month. Not even 2 months. There is a lot of stuff that goes into a modchip and it has not been out long enough for anyone to get a good understanding of all the security mechanisms yet. As said above, they were only just able to indirectly see some code. That indicates that there is still a long ways to go.
 

Savarak

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i think a good way to thwart alotta modders is just for microsoft to spray the entire back and front of the motherboard with a thermal-proof sort of spray, or something, in such a way to block off a ton of possible solder points... but still allow enough thermal dissipation... or maybe just lots of superglue
 

Hacp

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IIRC, alot of things are onchip for microsoft, so modchipping won't be that easy.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: Atheus
The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?

The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.

You own the product, but not the code that MS developed to run the product. They developed that software and they have a right to protect their IP so it's encrypted -what's wrong with that? You can mode your console all you wish with faceplates, stickers, paint....whatever you wish externally (good luck on the resell). But when one tries to modify the machine's capabilities, something its restricting to do like play import games, then they have a right to stop that. For whatever reasons they have, usually its to control the released content in different regions. Why doesnt that make sense to you?

So i guess you're for Sony protecting their CDs and not allowing us to rip the music to our ipods or mp3 players? I guess you're not for people making backup of DVDs movies so their kids don't ruin the original. And i guess you don't like people unlocking pipes in a videocard or overclocking processors?
 

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: Atheus
The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?
The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.
You own the product, but not the code that MS developed to run the product. They developed that software and they have a right to protect their IP so it's encrypted -what's wrong with that? You can mode your console all you wish with faceplates, stickers, paint....whatever you wish externally (good luck on the resell). But when one tries to modify the machine's capabilities, something its restricting to do like play import games, then they have a right to stop that. For whatever reasons they have, usually its to control the released content in different regions. Why doesnt that make sense to you?
So i guess you're for Sony protecting their CDs and not allowing us to rip the music to our ipods or mp3 players? I guess you're not for people making backup of DVDs movies so their kids don't ruin the original. And i guess you don't like people unlocking pipes in a videocard or overclocking processors?
Those are VERY different things than hacking into intellectual property.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: Atheus
The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?
The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.
You own the product, but not the code that MS developed to run the product. They developed that software and they have a right to protect their IP so it's encrypted -what's wrong with that? You can mode your console all you wish with faceplates, stickers, paint....whatever you wish externally (good luck on the resell). But when one tries to modify the machine's capabilities, something its restricting to do like play import games, then they have a right to stop that. For whatever reasons they have, usually its to control the released content in different regions. Why doesnt that make sense to you?
So i guess you're for Sony protecting their CDs and not allowing us to rip the music to our ipods or mp3 players? I guess you're not for people making backup of DVDs movies so their kids don't ruin the original. And i guess you don't like people unlocking pipes in a videocard or overclocking processors?
Those are VERY different things than hacking into intellectual property.

How so?
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: Atheus
The whole concept that i'm not allowed to modify something I OWN is ridiculous. Imagine if it was criminal to put a new gearbox in your car, or rewire your house...

Good luck to the hackers working on this, I might even help when I get around to buying a unit.

Originally posted by: Wuzup101
Who will want to mod their xbox this time around if the reverse engineering needed to make chips leads to chips costing $5000 a piece? Would you buy a mod chip for $5000?
The reverse engineering only happens once, and mod chips are just FPGAs, they only cost a few bucks no matter what's on them.
You own the product, but not the code that MS developed to run the product. They developed that software and they have a right to protect their IP so it's encrypted -what's wrong with that? You can mode your console all you wish with faceplates, stickers, paint....whatever you wish externally (good luck on the resell). But when one tries to modify the machine's capabilities, something its restricting to do like play import games, then they have a right to stop that. For whatever reasons they have, usually its to control the released content in different regions. Why doesnt that make sense to you?
So i guess you're for Sony protecting their CDs and not allowing us to rip the music to our ipods or mp3 players? I guess you're not for people making backup of DVDs movies so their kids don't ruin the original. And i guess you don't like people unlocking pipes in a videocard or overclocking processors?
Those are VERY different things than hacking into intellectual property.
How so?
If you truly don't understand how hacking into someone's protected work is not the same as the ability to rip a CD... Then there's really nothing I can think of to say, to help you understand.