Confirmed for CeBIT 2011 : BULLDOZER

[Castiel]

Sucks CeBit won't be till march

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...it-2011-bulldozer-kommt-mainboards-bestaetigt

As we have learned from several corporate-related sources, the new bulldozer CPU and thus the associated boards will be presented at CeBIT 2011.

So several should we confirm known several bulldozer boards with the AM3 +-point socket. Here, we and our sources assume that several different boards with different chipsets and equipment at the exhibition will be seen. Nothing is known about the boards and the associated specifications, we inform you however.


Update from 26.1.11 13: 56: From nearby sources, we learned that the ASUS crosshair V formula AM3 +-base and 990FX-Chipsatz at CeBIT 2011 probably will be shown, which will be between May and June on the market. Because as we from corporate-related sources learn have examining AMD may presents the already finished boards for the bulldozer CPU of public or one opts for a presentation behind the doors where all manufacturers assume a public presentation.Specifications and pricing are still unknown. We keep you up-to-date.

 

[drizek]

If I can't buy the board until BD actually launches, It doesn't matter to me too much.

 

[Idontcare]

Sweet!

I so badly want Bulldozer to turn out to be like the K7 of its day. When those K7's launched at speeds up to 600MHz in mid-1999 and totally creamed the PIII it was an awesome time to be a DIY PC enthusiast.

So I hope they repeat that past success, not just for the sake of AMD but also for my sake...the CPU upgrade hobby has lost its luster for me after the release of Kentsfield in 2006 (IMO the last major jump in compute capability...and that was >4yrs ago!). I want that fire to be reignited.

Right now I am just so "meh" about the CPU performance delta between my Q6600 @ 3.3GHz and a 2600K @ 4.2GHz or an X6 @ 4GHz. My only hope for 2011 being another 2006 or another 1999 is if Bulldozer is all that.

 

[hamunaptra]

I have a feeling the actual per core performance of BD wont be THAT impressive, possibly a small gain over current thuban design. Clock for Clock it probably wont touch intels offerings in single threaded performance.
The actual goal in the design is a chip that clocks extremely high and maintains / surpasses current generation performance(from AMD).
Im excited for the fact its probably one of the most unique x86 designs ever to come to life. It departs in many ways from a traditional x86 uarch which is very cool of AMD to do.

Considering its AMD's 32nm design, highk w/ SOI...if the transistors are robust as AMD's current generation then under extreme cooling it might be the first chip we see 10ghz out of =)
Now thats something to be excited about!

 

[KingstonU]

Considering its AMD's 32nm design, highk w/ SOI...if the transistors are robust as AMD's current generation then under extreme cooling it might be the first chip we see 10ghz out of =)
Now thats something to be excited about!

I'd be really happy with routine 4.5 GHz overclocks, 5.0 would really blow away expectations, put real pressure on Intel and actually shake up the market to the benfit of us consumers.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I'm excited. I just bought a 2500K but I still hope BD outperforms Sandy Bridge. It doesn't seem likely, but you never know until the official numbers are in.

 

[bryanW1995]

Sweet!

I so badly want Bulldozer to turn out to be like the K7 of its day. When those K7's launched at speeds up to 600MHz in mid-1999 and totally creamed the PIII it was an awesome time to be a DIY PC enthusiast.

So I hope they repeat that past success, not just for the sake of AMD but also for my sake...the CPU upgrade hobby has lost its luster for me after the release of Kentsfield in 2006 (IMO the last major jump in compute capability...and that was >4yrs ago!). I want that fire to be reignited.

Right now I am just so "meh" about the CPU performance delta between my Q6600 @ 3.3GHz and a 2600K @ 4.2GHz or an X6 @ 4GHz. My only hope for 2011 being another 2006 or another 1999 is if Bulldozer is all that.

well put. those iterative upgrades are often too much work for the miniscule improvement they provide.

 

[SickBeast]

So it's only about a month until we know more about Bulldozer. I hope for AMD's sake that they have several of their motherboard partners with Bulldozer CPUs. They should also hopefully allow people to demo the systems on a wide variety of software.

AMD might as well take the wraps off of it early to build excitement so that people don't upgrade to Sandy Bridge instead.

Can you tell us more about it, JFAMD?

 

[JFAMD]

I have a feeling the actual per core performance of BD wont be THAT impressive, possibly a small gain over current thuban design.

Based on the new design and the new Turbo CORE per core performance will be better.

So it's only about a month until we know more about Bulldozer. I hope for AMD's sake that they have several of their motherboard partners with Bulldozer CPUs. They should also hopefully allow people to demo the systems on a wide variety of software.

AMD might as well take the wraps off of it early to build excitement so that people don't upgrade to Sandy Bridge instead.

Can you tell us more about it, JFAMD?

CeBIT would be run by a German office and there is rarely anything from a server perspective happening, so I am not involved. I will be in China that week and won't make it to Germany until later in march, so I am in the dark on what the plans are.

 

[VirtualLarry]

will we see PCI-E 3.0 yet on the chipsets?

 

[SickBeast]

Based on the new design and the new Turbo CORE per core performance will be better.




CeBIT would be run by a German office and there is rarely anything from a server perspective happening, so I am not involved. I will be in China that week and won't make it to Germany until later in march, so I am in the dark on what the plans are.

Will there not be server variants of Bulldozer? Will they strap two of them together similar to the current 12-core Opterons, to make a 16-core Bulldozer version?

 

[StinkyPinky]

I hope BD destroys Sandy Bridge. It would be great for the industry.

 

[drizek]

Will there not be server variants of Bulldozer? Will they strap two of them together similar to the current 12-core Opterons, to make a 16-core Bulldozer version?

There is, but they are coming later, and they won't be shown at CeBIT.

 

[Castiel]

I'm thinking BD will be 10% better then thuban. I just want it to overclock past 4.2ghz

 

[Wreckage]

I wonder if they will have an official launch date and prices?

 

[SickBeast]

I'm thinking BD will be 10% better then thuban. I just want it to overclock past 4.2ghz

It should be much faster than that if AMD's claims are true. You might be right when it comes to single threaded performance, but if that 80% performance boost is true, then that's what you'll be looking at under ideal circumstances.

 

[Idontcare]

I'm thinking BD will be 10% better then thuban. I just want it to overclock past 4.2ghz

C'mon dude, this is 32nm with HKMG...something have to be mad wrong for them to not hit 4.2GHz on air. You can almost do that with their 45nm doped-poly gate CMOS.

 

[Castiel]

C'mon dude, this is 32nm with HKMG...something have to be mad wrong for them to not hit 4.2GHz on air. You can almost do that with their 45nm doped-poly gate CMOS.

IDC... I'm hoping Amd surpasses my expectations in a big way. I was just trying to not get my hopes up :biggrin:

 

[bryanW1995]

Will there not be server variants of Bulldozer? Will they strap two of them together similar to the current 12-core Opterons, to make a 16-core Bulldozer version?

server is Q3, not Q2. consumer release is earlier this time. I asked him about this the other day, he said that their plan has always been to have consumer version first this time. hopefully this bodes well for desktop performance.

yes, they'll have a 16 core (8 module) version called interlagos for servers. technically they'll be strapping 8 of the modules together instead of 2 distinct dies like they did with the 12 core opterons, but it was designed to scale like this so it won't be the sort of patch job that they did with the 12 core stars-based cpus.

@Castiel: I understand not getting hopes up too high. however, I don't think that overclocks in the 4.5 + range are unreasonable to expect, my worry is more how they will perform clock/clock against SB. If BD is ~ nehalem clock/clock then 4.5 or so is fine b/c of the additional cores, but if it is more like a very slight improvement over ph2 then clocks need to be much higher than that.

 

[RyanGreener]

Here's my "hopeful" take on the situation. Nehalem and Sandy Bridge aren't too far apart in IPC from what it seems, and the performance boosts from Sandy Bridge are from higher clocks. If the IPC of Bulldozer is anywhere near Nehalem (hopefully the same/better), then that alone will have AMD catching up big time. But the thing is, AMD will have more cores and hopefully AMD will improve the ability to get higher clocks, which will in turn make it match the performance of Sandy Bridge, if not beat it.

I'm not an AMD Fan, as I've had both AMD/Intel CPUs, but I'm being hopeful for AMD to spark some competition and have more CPU advancements.

 

[nyker96]

Sweet!

I so badly want Bulldozer to turn out to be like the K7 of its day. When those K7's launched at speeds up to 600MHz in mid-1999 and totally creamed the PIII it was an awesome time to be a DIY PC enthusiast.

I share your enthusiasm of that time, when AMD actually managed to dominate Intel during the P4 era was something. However, I feel less enthusiasm towards DIY nowadays because both Intel/AMD keep changing platforms with every upgrade entails buying boards+cpu+memory which makes it feels like buying an entire new machine instead of the usual DIY upgrades.

 

[JFAMD]

I wonder if they will have an official launch date and prices?

At launch.

 

[bryanW1995]

I share your enthusiasm of that time, when AMD actually managed to dominate Intel during the P4 era was something. However, I feel less enthusiasm towards DIY nowadays because both Intel/AMD keep changing platforms with every upgrade entails buying boards+cpu+memory which makes it feels like buying an entire new machine instead of the usual DIY upgrades.

intel certainly does that, but it has been 4 years since amd forced a complete platform upgrade. they've kept backwards compatibility with am2+ for a very long time.

 

[Vesku]

Yes, please don't lump AMD in with Intel's platform switching (aka Chipset $$$). Here's to hoping the new socket gives us some nice new cpu features.

 

[Elixer]

Yes, please don't lump AMD in with Intel's platform switching (aka Chipset $$$). Here's to hoping the new socket gives us some nice new cpu features.

I am pretty sure that AMD must go the LGA route for desktop, as they have done on servers. They need higher pin density to add more features (PCIe lanes, HT..and so on) so, I don't see socket AM3+ being around that long.

Then again, maybe they will do low / high end. Who knows.