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Confirmed: AMD will delay BD launch again now to Oct. 2011

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gmaster456 said:
Your forgetting something. AMD literally did all they could, but Intel had tons of patents keeping AMD from doing anything more than what they did. Only recently have the doors been re opened and AMD is finally able to do something that can finally counter Intel which has been the $150+ CPU juggernaut for the last 5 years.
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My post merely outlined a historical timeline of what happened. I did not in any way shape or form comment on the financial merits of AMD vs. Intel or their management, etc.

My main point was to show that AMD lost its competitiveness in performance since 2006 and has since focused on giving us more cores at the same price / competing on price. This isn't a bad strategy to survive until you finally release a processor that can sell well in at least some markets (like servers and mobile). I don't expect BD to be a slam dunk in all 3 segments (mobile/servers/desktops). But Phenom I/II was a failure in all segments to be honest. 5 years of market share losses is mediocre performance. They only recently started to gain market share with Llano and Bobcat. But again, those are not the performance CPUs we care about in this discussion.
 
chihlidog said:
What I took it (hopefully) to mean, since I'm not aware of any benchmarks floating around that show it to be slower than PHII, is that even if not by much, it will be faster clock per clock. I could be reading way too much into it, but I feel like we're safe in thinking it's faster than the slowest faked benchmarks floating around. IF that's the case, the slowest benchmarks I've seen arent that bad, and I'm hoping for a win for AMD here.
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Yeah, I think we are saying the same here too, we are in agreement.
 
RussianSensation said:
My post merely outlined a historical timeline of what happened. I did not in any way shape or form comment on the financial merits of AMD vs. Intel or their management, etc.

My main point was to show that AMD lost its competitiveness in performance since 2006 and has since focused on giving us more cores at the same price / competing on price. This isn't a bad strategy to survive until you finally release a processor that can sell well in at least some markets (like servers and mobile). I don't expect BD to be a slam dunk in all 3 segments (mobile/servers/desktops). But Phenom I/II was a failure in all segments to be honest. 5 years of market share losses is mediocre performance. They only recently started to gain market share with Llano and Bobcat. But again, those are not the performance CPUs we care about in this discussion.
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The funny thing about the CPU business is that no matter how poor a performer a chip can be, they can still sell just by re-positioning them lower down in price vs the competition. BUT theres a limit, you can not sell at a loss. I fear thats the position AMD may one day find itself in.
 
amenx said:
The funny thing about the CPU business is that no matter how poor a performer a chip can be, they can still sell just by re-positioning them lower down in price vs the competition. BUT theres a limit, you can not sell at a loss. I fear thats the position AMD may one day find itself in.
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I'm not sure AMD could kill itself, no matter how hard it tried. It's in Intel's best interests to keep AMD relegated to the bottom 20% of the consumer market, which means if AMD starts flopping, Intel will simply withhold products until AMD catches up.
 
ViRGE said:
I'm not sure AMD could kill itself, no matter how hard it tried. It's in Intel's best interests to keep AMD relegated to the bottom 20% of the consumer market, which means if AMD starts flopping, Intel will simply withhold products until AMD catches up.
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Only if x86 is the *only* consumer cpu architecture. If Intel has another competitor (ARM) then it no longer needs to worry about keeping AMD on life support. It can't afford too either - the moment profits start to drop Intel will only be looking out for themselves.

Relying on the generosity of a competitor for survival isn't a good strategy.
 
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ViRGE said:
I'm not sure AMD could kill itself, no matter how hard it tried. It's in Intel's best interests to keep AMD relegated to the bottom 20% of the consumer market, which means if AMD starts flopping, Intel will simply withhold products until AMD catches up.
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If ARM ever gets its act together in performance for desktops, AMD will be the first casuality, as Intel won't have any choice in allowing AMD to survive on the crumbs Intel leaves behind for them.
 
Stuka87 said:
Out of curiosity, what are you doing that makes the 955 feel too slow for use? An SB i5 is certainly faster, but is it worth the cost? You could just OC the 955 and make it last longer. It wont be quite as fast as the i5 2400, but its about $350 cheaper than a new CPU/Mobo.

According to Anands post, the AM3+ part will ship before the end of the month. But that means we won't see until mid October. And most likely is smaller quantities. But I am looking forward to benches of the Opterons.
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I don't have a specific reason just get the urge to upgrade every so often lol 😉

My dual core phenom ii was quite noisy so getting a ie3 2120 was a good choice because it's fairly quiet, performs very well and was on sale. I also got a mates rate for the motherboard 🙂

I would be willing to wait for AMD providing there was more information about what I can expect from their new cpus. I do understand that not all information can be released before launch. Even though it's known to support AM3+ is that for all AM3+ motherboards or just some?
 
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AnandThenMan said:
Bulldozer can't flop if it's never released. :\
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It will probably do okay against nehalem b/c that was the original original original release target. Unfortunately, hitting aggressive launch targets on a shoestring budget with stuff this complex is well-nigh impossible, and they missed the goal by about 2 years. I honestly don't see any way that BD can compete with a 2600k overclocked, or even a stock 2700/2800/2900k. There is going to be moaning/complaining/whining/acceptance just like when phenom came out 4 + years ago.

I wish that somebody would buy AMD or somehow present us with a reasonable alternative to intel.
 
chihlidog said:
JF-AMD has made comments over on [H] that could seem to imply that it wont even release in October. He affirmed that it's a Q4 launch. Someone stated that fiscal Q4 is over in 7 weeks, and JF-AMD responded: "Where did the 7 weeks come from? Our fiscal quarters match calendar quarters."

So it looks as though it may well be past October. Take it as you will.
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He never comments on specifics of the consumer side, and he might not even know about it at all. I'll trust Anand lal Shimpi over some rumor for [H] forums.
 
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