Confession: For the first time I will be voting for a Democrat in governor race

[I'dluv2]

I have been a middle of the road voter for a long time (how many times have you guys accused me of #bothsides?). I have typically voted both sides of the ticket in every election. With that said, for governor races I typically vote GOP for various reasons. Not this year. We all have our top 3 issues we vote on (gun rights, abortion, whatever) but this year I have vowed to not vote for anyone who supports the claim Trump lost 2020 because the election was stolen. That is my hot button this year.

I dont agree with everything the D rep Katie Hobbs agenda, but Kari Lake (R) has aligned herself with the Stop The Steal movement, and has been quoted as saying if she loses in November, it would be due to rigged elections or voter fraud. FUCK THAT. That is my hot button. I vow not to vote for any candidate that is in this mindset.

Dont get me wrong. There are IMHO some good R candidates for local races, but for the most part they havent been swept up in this madness.

I've been a lurker for sometime now, reading this thread made me join. I'm from the same state as blackangst1 and pretty much everything he said in this thread I agree with. But would take it 1 step further on another candidate, Blake Masters. Being retired for sometime now SS is important to the wife and I. When he stated he would look into privatizing it, pushing it to Wall Street that was a big fuck him. Is there a chance it could increase , yes but also the chance it could dwindle away. And we know the people who usually always make money on the street are the brokers.

The other issue is abortion. I don't think it should be used as birth control, but that's not between myself and the woman. But to those who would even deny it in the event of rape, incest or the health of the mother that's another fuck off to Masters & Lake.

 

[Captante]

Dont get me wrong. There are IMHO some good R candidates for local races, but for the most part they havent been swept up in this madness.

The problem is the party they are beholden to HAS been "swept up in this madness" and at least indirectly supports it... thus if you vote GOP so are you.

Having said that congrats for at least coming partially around.

 

[kage69]

Good on ya, angst.

 

[dank69]

I've been a lurker for sometime now, reading this thread made me join. I'm from the same state as blackangst1 and pretty much everything he said in this thread I agree with. But would take it 1 step further on another candidate, Blake Masters. Being retired for sometime now SS is important to the wife and I. When he stated he would look into privatizing it, pushing it to Wall Street that was a big fuck him. Is there a chance it could increase , yes but also the chance it could dwindle away. And we know the people who usually always make money on the street are the brokers.

The other issue is abortion. I don't think it should be used as birth control, but that's not between myself and the woman. But to those who would even deny it in the event of rape, incest or the health of the mother that's another fuck off to Masters & Lake.

But what about the rights of every motherfucking wife-beater to get a gun anytime they want? What about our god-given right to harass trans "people" without getting canceled? What about Brandon taking our gas from $1.24/gal to $5.24/gal in less than 2 years? Aren't these issues more important than some hypothetical 10yo rape victim or something as nebulous as democracy? Welcome to the forum. OMG I forgot about the motherfuckin' CRT...

 

[blackangst1]

Lake is running an ad featuring Justin Erickson. Here are some of his quotes:

In a 2014 sermon, Erickson claimed that “50 percent of the homosexual LGBT-Now-Q community, 50 percent have AIDS.” Later he said, “80 percent of homosexuals have STDs and – how sad is this? – two percent, two percent of homosexuals in the LGBT community make it to the age of 65. The average lifespan for an average person in our world is 75. Those in the LGBT community, most of them don’t make it to 39.”
He also made up numbers about promiscuity: “The average homosexual has had in a lifetime over 500 sexual partners. Eighty percent admit that half of them are absolute total strangers. Thirty percent of those who commit homosexuality, 30 percent, have had over 1000 partners. Three hundred different people a year.” A 2013 survey found that the average number of sexual partners men who have sex with men had in the previous year was 2.3.


DISGUSTING.

 

[blackangst1]

Good on ya, angst.

Keep in mind I vote on both sides of the ballot. This is the first time Ive voted D for governor though.

 

[zinfamous]

Democrats have admitted to promoting, funding those election deniers in the runoffs, in hopes on election day more people will vote Democrat. Really not a bad strategy, hope it doesnt backfire on them. Problem with it though is like here, alot of people will judge all Republicans as being that way. But there are just as many far left crazies as far right ones (Still to this day HRC says she didnt loose), but i guess the crazy democrats get a pass

You should stop wasting time with this post and go right into accusing democrat voters of voting for crazy rightwing QNutters, because that's what matters in the end.

Who cast those votes for the lunatics? If you have a complaint to make, direct it towards the psychopaths that are so easily manipulated.

 

[zinfamous]

Lake is running an ad featuring Justin Erickson. Here are some of his quotes:

In a 2014 sermon, Erickson claimed that “50 percent of the homosexual LGBT-Now-Q community, 50 percent have AIDS.” Later he said, “80 percent of homosexuals have STDs and – how sad is this? – two percent, two percent of homosexuals in the LGBT community make it to the age of 65. The average lifespan for an average person in our world is 75. Those in the LGBT community, most of them don’t make it to 39.”
He also made up numbers about promiscuity: “The average homosexual has had in a lifetime over 500 sexual partners. Eighty percent admit that half of them are absolute total strangers. Thirty percent of those who commit homosexuality, 30 percent, have had over 1000 partners. Three hundred different people a year.” A 2013 survey found that the average number of sexual partners men who have sex with men had in the previous year was 2.3.


DISGUSTING.

agreed, it's more than disgusting though, it's absolute lies and it's pure evil. But it's important to remember that this shitstain "pastor" and the views he espouses aren't fringe within the GOP, they are the overwhelming base of the party. The entirety of the party--better than 90% who vote--absolutely believe this stuff.

it's important to remember that this is the GOP. They can not be allowed to win public offices in this country, and must be eradicated if democracy is going to survive.

 

[Indus]

Keep in mind I vote on both sides of the ballot. This is the first time Ive voted D for governor though.

BTW I too have limits on what I will and will not put up with.

I have been thinking of voting repub domestically in the city attorney general/ council seats for a bit to stop the no cash bail thing which seems to have been letting criminals out easier than before.

The progressives wanted us to vote for Tiffany Caban for District Attorney but I went with a safer choice in Melinda Katz.. she's a dem but she's more common sense.

So are all dems bad? No. I owe them a lot of thanks for trying to give me rights but they don't get a blank check either.

I actually liked Pataki as NY Governor too but it seems the only republicans left are the Trump QAnon crowd now. The others have reluctantly either moved to Arizona or become dems at least in my area.

 

[Jaskalas]

Just because you make claims, doesn’t mean it’s true.

You sure about that?
In all honesty, what people regard as the truth is almost entirely knowledge passed to us by other people. The primary distinction being, who we trust to tell us the truth.
Ergo, people largely act on "truths" that are merely a function of trust. Another word for trust is... faith. Or belief.

Practically speaking, the basis of people's "truth" is merely an instrument of their faith in others. It is fickle and ego stroking. It can easily be a pack of lies, but do not dare tell the person who knows them as the gospel.

What I am saying is... while there IS an objective reality and much of it can be discerned, each person rarely partakes in the observation or experiment to witness the proof of it. Instead, the truth (to people) is entirely what is "claimed". Making speech and propaganda EXTREMELY effective, more so than men of science would dare to believe. Too often they do the work and expect people to understand. To know what they know. But that is not how humans work. If they do not trust you.... then there is no truth except for their own. Science only reaches as far as we allow it to reach.

That is how the partisan barrier remains fixed and immovable. Small exceptions aside. That is how alternative facts and alt truths and an alt reality is born. Not of reality, but of what people BELIEVE reality is.

So yes, actually... claims alone are more than enough. Because what matters is not that 1+1=2. People will act on their faith, not objective fact.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol you went full moonbeam there

I get it, perception is reality. Of course that isn’t true but it’s a basic instinct that we have to acknowledge in order to progress. Those who don’t want to progress aren’t capable of questioning their reality.

 

[blackangst1]

agreed, it's more than disgusting though, it's absolute lies and it's pure evil. But it's important to remember that this shitstain "pastor" and the views he espouses aren't fringe within the GOP, they are the overwhelming base of the party. The entirety of the party--better than 90% who vote--absolutely believe this stuff.

it's important to remember that this is the GOP. They can not be allowed to win public offices in this country, and must be eradicated if democracy is going to survive.

I respectfully disagree. Its only the crazies we see in sound bytes so I understand why youre inclined to think this.

 

[blackangst1]

BTW I too have limits on what I will and will not put up with.

I have been thinking of voting repub domestically in the city attorney general/ council seats for a bit to stop the no cash bail thing which seems to have been letting criminals out easier than before.

The progressives wanted us to vote for Tiffany Caban for District Attorney but I went with a safer choice in Melinda Katz.. she's a dem but she's more common sense.

So are all dems bad? No. I owe them a lot of thanks for trying to give me rights but they don't get a blank check either.

I actually liked Pataki as NY Governor too but it seems the only republicans left are the Trump QAnon crowd now. The others have reluctantly either moved to Arizona or become dems at least in my area.

:thumbsup:

I tend to agree. And we all have our "red lines" and its our duty to vote accordingly. Locally I tend to vote Republican, as illegal immigration is a big issue for me here in AZ and most Democrats are a bit soft for my liking. There are obvious ouliers, like Finchem, who is a complete nutjob.

 

[ivwshane]

I respectfully disagree. Its only the crazies we see in sound bytes so I understand why youre inclined to think this.

Absolutely not. When a democrat politician says something crazy they are usually condemned or ostracized. When it republicans say something crazy they vote for them as president, ignore impeachable offenses, and/or make them heads committees.

 

[eelw]

I respectfully disagree. Its only the crazies we see in sound bytes so I understand why youre inclined to think this.

Yes the vocal minority can make it seem like the rest are crazy. But poll after poll proves over half of the Republicans polled are election deniers. Doubt they are polling the same nut jobs.

 

[blackangst1]

Yes the vocal minority can make it seem like the rest are crazy. But poll after poll proves over half of the Republicans polled are election deniers. Doubt they are polling the same nut jobs.

You know how polls work...right?

 

[WelshBloke]

You know how polls work...right?

There's definitely a sizable chunk of the Republican base that's properly crazy that doesn't exist on the Democratic side.
At least that's how it looks from this side of the ocean. There's GOP politicians that are crazy in ways that you don't see on the other side.

 

[K1052]

You know how polls work...right?

I think it's increasingly hard to argue GOP voters, a majority of them anyway, don't want the crazies if the crazies keep winning their primaries.

 

[blackangst1]

I think it's increasingly hard to argue GOP voters, a majority of them anyway, don't want the crazies if the crazies keep winning their primaries.

Agree.

 

[eelw]

You know how polls work...right?

Yup polls manage to ask that same small sample size each time to inflate how many crazies there really are. /s

edit scary how dense based on the reply I got, that I need to add a sarcasm tag.

 

[blackangst1]

Yup polls manage to ask that same small sample size each time to inflate how many crazies there really are.

Yep. Nevertheless, my red line is election deniers. That removes a few GOP in this election in AZ, but not all. The rest Im voting D.

 

[kage69]

Keep in mind I vote on both sides of the ballot. This is the first time Ive voted D for governor though.

Well, you really shouldn't this time. I'm uncomfortable with voting all for one party too, but this is different. GQP wants to 'play tennis without the net' from here on out, elections will be decided not by voters, but by partisan state legislatures. Democracy = over

Reason over treason, that's what it comes down to. I hope everyone keeps that in mind.

 

[kage69]

Yep. Nevertheless, my red line is election deniers. That removes a few GOP in this election in AZ, but not all. The rest Im voting D.

That could still support the cult thanks to gerrymandering, but at least you aren't drinking the insurrection Koolaid.

 

[vi edit]

Heh.

GOP airs ad with hate pastor who called LGBTQ people “child molesters”

He said most gay men die before age 39 because they have hundreds of sexual partners...

www.lgbtqnation.com

"Kari Puddles"

Also she can piss up a rope. Another shallow republican twat that wants to embrace some things privately (hired a drag queen) and then shit talk them publicly. Yet another do as I say not as I do vapid conservative.

 

[Bitek]

Lake is running an ad featuring Justin Erickson. Here are some of his quotes:

In a 2014 sermon, Erickson claimed that “50 percent of the homosexual LGBT-Now-Q community, 50 percent have AIDS.” Later he said, “80 percent of homosexuals have STDs and – how sad is this? – two percent, two percent of homosexuals in the LGBT community make it to the age of 65. The average lifespan for an average person in our world is 75. Those in the LGBT community, most of them don’t make it to 39.”
He also made up numbers about promiscuity: “The average homosexual has had in a lifetime over 500 sexual partners. Eighty percent admit that half of them are absolute total strangers. Thirty percent of those who commit homosexuality, 30 percent, have had over 1000 partners. Three hundred different people a year.” A 2013 survey found that the average number of sexual partners men who have sex with men had in the previous year was 2.3.


DISGUSTING.

Guy seems to have put a lot of thought into it.

Not so much the fact finding aspect, but more the " FOMO... but I'm a Christan... So let me redirect" kind of thinking.