Confederate Flag Waving Racist Gets Put To Sleep

[K7SN]

The only confederate flag I would ever consider flying would be Stan Waite's Battle Flag. The stars and bars battle flag was really corrupted beginning in 1948 by the Dixiecrats and now stands for something I don't respect or support.

The black land owners in the south (yes and some owned slaves) and the blacks that fought for the confederacy (before President Davis signed General Order 14) served in an integrated army while the north paid African Americans citizens half what they paid white Americans and required that they be segregated and commanded by a white officer. You forget that much of the confederacy was added to the USofA with the Louisiana Purchase and there were wealthy African French who were landowners there first and were considered to be members of polite society (highest status) in the south.

The confederate African Americans soldiers who proudly carried the Stars and Bars to Civil War reunions would take great umbrage at this current debate. Some 20 of General Bedford Forests elite guard were African American and damn proud of their service. Yes, the same Bedford Forest that was later instrumental in elevating the first Ku Klux Klan, offered freedom to any of this slaves who would fight with him in the army he was raising. He selected the best fighting men to be part of his elite guard.

The point is that the Civil War is much more complex than the "just so" story taught in High School today. Instance: Lincoln's emancipation procuration didn't immediately free anyone (just stirred up the confederacy) and it did nothing for the slaves in the northern slave states and District of Columbia.

There is much more to an official naval flag when the Confederate Navy was already decimated and used by some divisions of the Confederate Army as a battle flag. Sadly the "Stars and Bars" has been tarnished by the actions of few and now conveys an unpopular meaning to a majority of Americans including this Nevadan.

 

[wabbitslayer]

Everyone loves the First Amendment...


until somebody says something they disagree with.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's treasonous. It represents a group of people who wanted to break away from the United States and form their own county. If you want to fly it at your home, that's fine. But do NOT fly it at a government building.

We won the war. Southerners must use our flag.

Wow, that's plain bullsh*t. Since when do people just get to make up their rules of what is or isn't allowed? That's what laws are for. If it's not against the law, people are free to do it, whether you (or anyone else) agrees with it or not.

 

[PokerGuy]

Everyone loves the First Amendment...


until somebody says something they disagree with.

Yep. Plenty of idiots who claim to agree with free speech, but what they really mean is "free speech so long as I agree with what you're saying".

 

[SSSnail]

Everyone loves the First Amendment...


until somebody says something they disagree with.

And that's the beautiful thing about it, everyone disagrees with someone else on something. But, you have your RIGHTS to say it, and it's up to the offended party to do something about it. The recourse may or may not land you in jail, but you're also free to make that decision.

Take the Westboro Baptist Church idiots for instance. They say and do a lot of retarded and offensive things, but that is their right. Yes, they piss off a lot of people, and they're wrong on all of their accounts. Do you want to punch them in their mouths? Yes. And I bet no one would raise an eyebrow or bat an eyelash if you did. But, they're within their rights to do so. And, you in turn can say equally offensive things to them. See how that works?

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm white, born/raised in Tennessee, and still live in the Nashville area. Like I tell all of my Tennessee friends, if you're such a huge backer of the Confederate flag then why not vocalize your support by displaying one at your house? Or put a sticker on your car? Show your neighbors how much you support the cause!

They won't. Because like it or not we all know what people actually think of people who display that flag. We can kid ourselves about Southern Pride and all of that BS. But in the end we know that deep down when we see someone sporting that flag the first thing that pops into mind is 'likely a racist'.

 

[SP33Demon]

Lack of link(s) for those leads me to believe you made this shit up.

Example form you own quote


So I went to the FBI website to verify and found from 2013 hate crime stats...

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/december/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released

So you call bullshit because you can't do math? When you extrapolate those percentages out to the entire population, let's do the math:

Of the reported 3,407 single-bias hate crime offenses that were racially motivated, 66.4 were motivated by anti-black or African-American bias, and 21.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.

2263 vs 729.
315,000,000 X .13 = 40,950,000 blacks
40950000/729 = 1:56172 = 1 in 56,172 blacks committed a hate crime against whites.

315,000,000 X .63 = 198,450,000 whites
198450000/2263 = 1:87693 = 1 in 87,693 whites committed a hate crime against AA's.

Granted, it's not twice the rate like it was in the 00's (white pop has declined since then which alters %) but it changes every year; do this for any year and blacks will always have a higher hate crime incidence rate per person. While the FBI would love for you to only draw conclusions from cumulative statistics, we are smarter than that.

More proof:

...in 2012, the rate for blacks (34.2 per 1,000) was higher than the rates for whites (25.2 per 1,000) and Hispanics (24.5 per 1,000). ... Similar to 2011, the rate of serious violence in 2012 for blacks (11.3 per 1,000) was higher than the rate for whites (6.8 per 1,000).

We can keep looking up more stats if you'd like. This is the stuff that liberal media won't mention because... reasons.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What the hell does free speech have to do with any of this?

Nobody is saying he can't wave this idiotic flag. If you want to be a jackass and wave the confederate flag around then be prepared to deal with the consequences from people who don't appreciate your message. Was it right for the guy to attack the flag carrying asshole? Who cares... surely not me.

If state legislatures want to remove this flag from public buildings it still isn't a free speech issue. Good riddance I say. I wouldn't be caught dead displaying this flag or doing something as dumb as the guy in this video did.

 

[Mxylplyx]

I'm going to change the meaning of the nazi flag to mean love for jews!

We'll see how well that goes.

The Confederate Battle Flag was the symbol of a group of people fighting to maintain their right to keep slaves. Any one of these hicks that sits there claiming "Southern Pride" just isn't man, or woman, enough to just come out and either admit that a.) they are too stupid to grasp why the flag is offensive as hell. or b.) they are supremely racist.

"Well, my gran-pappy died fighting the northern invaders. So I gotsta waive this flag around to remember him." Your gran-pappy may have been caught up in the rich elite's war to maintain slavery, but that doesn't make him blameless.

You don't see young Germans running around waiving the Nazi flag to remember their ancestors who were just caught up fighting their government's war because they are embarrassed enough by it to know better.

I live in Birmingham, AL and can confirm this.

 

[Ackmed]

And that's the beautiful thing about it, everyone disagrees with someone else on something. But, you have your RIGHTS to say it, and it's up to the offended party to do something about it. The recourse may or may not land you in jail, but you're also free to make that decision.

Take the Westboro Baptist Church idiots for instance. They say and do a lot of retarded and offensive things, but that is their right. Yes, they piss off a lot of people, and they're wrong on all of their accounts. Do you want to punch them in their mouths? Yes. And I bet no one would raise an eyebrow or bat an eyelash if you did. But, they're within their rights to do so. And, you in turn can say equally offensive things to them. See how that works?

If any church deserves to burn, it's theirs. But that is also what they want, attention.

I'm white, born/raised in Tennessee, and still live in the Nashville area. Like I tell all of my Tennessee friends, if you're such a huge backer of the Confederate flag then why not vocalize your support by displaying one at your house? Or put a sticker on your car? Show your neighbors how much you support the cause!

They won't. Because like it or not we all know what people actually think of people who display that flag. We can kid ourselves about Southern Pride and all of that BS. But in the end we know that deep down when we see someone sporting that flag the first thing that pops into mind is 'likely a racist'.

Maybe for you it does, and others. Not everyone. Ever wonder why you think that? It's likely because media spread it around to be true.

 

[waggy]

Hopefully the guy that threw the punch gets thrown in jail for aggravated assault.

/this


while i don't have any sympathy for the guy getting hit. the hitter needs to be in jail.

 

[Murloc]

What the hell does free speech have to do with any of this?

Nobody is saying he can't wave this idiotic flag. If you want to be a jackass and wave the confederate flag around then be prepared to deal with the consequences from people who don't appreciate your message. Was it right for the guy to attack the flag carrying asshole? Who cares... surely not me.

If state legislatures want to remove this flag from public buildings it still isn't a free speech issue. Good riddance I say. I wouldn't be caught dead displaying this flag or doing something as dumb as the guy in this video did.

What the hell does free speech have to do with any of this?

Nobody is saying he can't draw a muhammad cartoon. If you want to be a jackass and exhibit the muhammad cartoons around then be prepared to deal with the consequences from people who don't appreciate your message. Was it right for the two islamists to attack the assholes who organized the exhibit? Who cares... surely not me.

I wouldn't be caught dead displaying this cartoon or doing something as dumb as the guys from the exhibit or the french and danish newspapers did.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What the hell does free speech have to do with any of this?

Nobody is saying he can't draw a muhammad cartoon. If you want to be a jackass and exhibit the muhammad cartoons around then be prepared to deal with the consequences from people who don't appreciate your message. Was it right for the two islamists to attack the assholes who organized the exhibit? Who cares... surely not me.

I wouldn't be caught dead displaying this cartoon or doing something as dumb as the guys from the exhibit or the french and danish newspapers did.

:thumbsup: You can throw neo-Nazis, KKK, or westboro Baptists in that scenario too. I don't give a fuck either way. The government didn't beat you up or shoot you. If you're promoting hate and get shot or beat the fuck up don't come crying to me about it complaining about your right to free speech.

 

[BoberFett]

What the hell does free speech have to do with any of this?

Nobody is saying he can't wave this idiotic flag. If you want to be a jackass and wave the confederate flag around then be prepared to deal with the consequences from people who don't appreciate your message. Was it right for the guy to attack the flag carrying asshole? Who cares... surely not me.

If state legislatures want to remove this flag from public buildings it still isn't a free speech issue. Good riddance I say. I wouldn't be caught dead displaying this flag or doing something as dumb as the guy in this video did.

I'm sure you've had the same sentiment for the black guys being gunned down by cops. Hey, if you want to be a jackass around a cop, be prepared to deal with the consequences, right?

You're a buffoon.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I'm sure you've had the same sentiment for the black guys being gunned down by cops. Hey, if you want to be a jackass around a cop, be prepared to deal with the consequences, right?

You're a buffoon.

Get fucked.

You're an asshole.

 

[BoberFett]

Get fucked.

You're an asshole.

Thanks for confirming that you're an idiot.

 

[HumblePie]

Oh man, this changing of history is annoying.

Things people have forgotten it seems are the following. The Civil War was not fought first most over slaves, although it was a large part of the reason, but of the encroachment of federal powers over the States and the right to succeed if a State chooses to do so.

Many who fought in the war for the Confederacy were not slave owners and didn't care for the practice. Robert Lee, a Virginian and Confederate General, never bought or really owned slaves on his own. The exception was a time when he inherited a plantation from his father in law that came with slaves he eventually freed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee

Abe Lincoln during the civil war actually told his military commanders not to free slaves after battles they won for fear of losing some of the union states over the issues of the civil war of which slavery wasn't quite paramount. Along with some other slave related info from Abe Lincoln that most people don't know.

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

There are also a lot of Confederate flags of which the stars and bars flag is the Virginia Battle Flag. Made mostly famous by Dukes of Hazard to commemorate General Lee's origin of Virginia. The "Southern Pride" it originally signified was the bravery of the south to stand up against the powers of the federal government and the willingness to die for such a cause.

Now have a bunch of idiots tried to conflate racism with that? Especially some racist red-necked yokels? Sure they have. The flag was made recognizable because of a TV show, and thus it now has taken on different symbolism meanings to different people.

Is the Virginia Battle Flag a symbol of racism? Guess it depends today upon who you ask. The problem is those that don't know the history of the flag will shout yes though.

 

[HumblePie]

The only confederate flag I would ever consider flying would be Stan Waite's Battle Flag. The stars and bars battle flag was really corrupted beginning in 1948 by the Dixiecrats and now stands for something I don't respect or support.

The black land owners in the south (yes and some owned slaves) and the blacks that fought for the confederacy (before President Davis signed General Order 14) served in an integrated army while the north paid African Americans citizens half what they paid white Americans and required that they be segregated and commanded by a white officer. You forget that much of the confederacy was added to the USofA with the Louisiana Purchase and there were wealthy African French who were landowners there first and were considered to be members of polite society (highest status) in the south.

The confederate African Americans soldiers who proudly carried the Stars and Bars to Civil War reunions would take great umbrage at this current debate. Some 20 of General Bedford Forests elite guard were African American and damn proud of their service. Yes, the same Bedford Forest that was later instrumental in elevating the first Ku Klux Klan, offered freedom to any of this slaves who would fight with him in the army he was raising. He selected the best fighting men to be part of his elite guard.

The point is that the Civil War is much more complex than the "just so" story taught in High School today. Instance: Lincoln's emancipation procuration didn't immediately free anyone (just stirred up the confederacy) and it did nothing for the slaves in the northern slave states and District of Columbia.

There is much more to an official naval flag when the Confederate Navy was already decimated and used by some divisions of the Confederate Army as a battle flag. Sadly the "Stars and Bars" has been tarnished by the actions of few and now conveys an unpopular meaning to a majority of Americans including this Nevadan.

Yay for another more informed soul of history on this board.

 

[1sikbITCH]

I don't think the urban youth in the video have the right to do that.
If someone is being openly racist, I think a fine is called for.
But he wasn't even doing that.


honestly that's not a very democratic way of thinking.
A federation should be free to join free to leave imho.

Oh I see, you are confused by thinking America is a democracy. It has a slight resemblance, sort of like a pile of shit slightly resembles chocolate pudding.

 

[Phoenix86]

There are also a lot of Confederate flags of which the stars and bars flag is the Virginia Battle Flag. Made mostly famous by Dukes of Hazard to commemorate General Lee's origin of Virginia. The "Southern Pride" it originally signified was the bravery of the south to stand up against the powers of the federal government and the willingness to die for such a cause.

I'm pretty sure you know this, but I'm surprised by how many don't. It was an element of a couple versions, but never a confederate state flag.

You call it stars and bars, which it isn't. The first confederate flag is the stars and bars flag, not the battle flag, which is a cross.

This is stars and bars.

The flag people are flying today STILL isn't the battle flag, it's square. Here's the real battle flag.

The rectangle version was used by the navy, but it was lighter blue.

OK, so in all that, where was the flag we see today flown? As you said, the Virginia army under Lee. One state, one army. It's amazing how that one flag is the one everyone identifies with.

 

[Svnla]

Wow, I can't believe that some of you are making excuses for violent.

Were that how Treyvon Martin and Michael Brown killed when they tried to punch the wrong people (armed)?

 

[Bird222]

http://m.snopes.com/2015/06/28/confederate-flag-history/

 

[Jeeebus]

umm - who gives a shit if the flag stands for racism or something else? In the context of the video (a white hick waving the flag in front of a bunch of black people), I think it's safe to assume he had racist purposes.

Shitty motives, however, do not give you the right to punch someone in the face. Guy had a right to his shitty speech and they had a right to express their own speech, though not with their fists.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Pretty hilarious that his GF grabbed the flag and ran off.

 

[highland145]

Pretty hilarious that his GF grabbed the flag and ran off.

The man goes down and the woman takes his shit.