Confederate Flag Waving Racist Gets Put To Sleep

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JMapleton

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I live I the south and to be honest from what I see the flag has taken on new meaning, it is not representative (by those who fly it now) of the Confederacy or the civil war, but rather a flag of southern pride. Sounds stupid, and I can see where people would be offended due to its history, but that is what I see that it currently stands for.

I don't fly it btw because I think it's stupid, and those that do fly it tend to be hicks.

It's treasonous. It represents a group of people who wanted to break away from the United States and form their own county. If you want to fly it at your home, that's fine. But do NOT fly it at a government building.

We won the war. Southerners must use our flag.
 

UglyCasanova

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It's treasonous. It represents a group of people who wanted to break away from the United States and form their own county. If you want to fly it at your home, that's fine. But do NOT fly it at a government building.

We won the war. Southerners must use our flag.

Lol, and I do agree with you btw. It should be removed from government buildings, why it was even there in the first place baffles me. And yeah here down south we do fly the U.S. flag, of course that's our flag and as far as I know Texas (which isn't part of the South!) is the only one constantly talking about sussesion. Doesn't change the fact that rednecks around here do use it as a way to identify themselves, and yeah there is such a thing as "southern pride" for a variety of reasons.
 

HamburgerBoy

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It's unfortunate the flag-waver didn't exercise his right to self-defense. Likely would have been legally justified if it happened in a Southern state.
 

Jeeebus

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Whether you agree with the guy's right to wave the flag or not, we live in a society of laws, and punching someone in the face because you don't like them is going to land you in jail.

Even if display of the flag was made illegal, you still don't have the right to just walk up to and punch someone in the face.

All that said, I empathize with the puncher as I am still waiting for the day where I can punch certain ATOT members through the computer.
 

edro

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By the look of the flag waiver, he probably deserved to get knocked out.
 

Murloc

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I don't think the urban youth in the video have the right to do that.
If someone is being openly racist, I think a fine is called for.
But he wasn't even doing that.

It's treasonous. It represents a group of people who wanted to break away from the United States and form their own county. If you want to fly it at your home, that's fine. But do NOT fly it at a government building.

We won the war. Southerners must use our flag.
honestly that's not a very democratic way of thinking.
A federation should be free to join free to leave imho.
 

unokitty

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Violence in support of political correctness.

How fabulous!

Constitutional rights for me and others that agree with me.

Violence, with no constitutional rights, for anyone that disagrees.

LOL

Uno
 
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Phoenix86

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I'm going to change the meaning of the nazi flag to mean love for jews!

We'll see how well that goes.

The Confederate Battle Flag was the symbol of a group of people fighting to maintain their right to keep slaves. Any one of these hicks that sits there claiming "Southern Pride" just isn't man, or woman, enough to just come out and either admit that a.) they are too stupid to grasp why the flag is offensive as hell. or b.) they are supremely racist.

"Well, my gran-pappy died fighting the northern invaders. So I gotsta waive this flag around to remember him." Your gran-pappy may have been caught up in the rich elite's war to maintain slavery, but that doesn't make him blameless.

You don't see young Germans running around waiving the Nazi flag to remember their ancestors who were just caught up fighting their government's war because they are embarrassed enough by it to know better.

Interesting thing about that... Symbols can change. I'm sure you know the nazis usurped the swastika right? How it had a completely different meaning in the past, before it was adopted by the nazis.

If you didn't go look it up.

Anyways, those young Germans can't wave the nazi flag around because it's banned from speech in Germany. They "froze" it's meaning in culture by removing the ability to speak about it.

Now, I don't think it's easy to change a powerful icon but it can be done.
 

SP33Demon

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By the look of the flag waiver, he probably deserved to get knocked out.

Yep, not smart at all. Especially considering the fact that blacks are committing 90% of interracial crime in the United States. I wouldn't be tempting the statistics if I were him, just let them kill each other (and not you), it's not worth it to provoke the issue.

FBI statistics show that blacks commit 90% of interracial crime*

1. African -Americans commit 90% of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence that occur in the United States every year, and are more than 50 times more likely to commit violent crime against whites than vice versa.

Major Findings

1. Blacks commit violent crimes four to eight times the white rate. Hispanic commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.

2. Blacks are as much more violent than whites (four to eight times) as men are more violent than women.

3. Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are 50 times more likely than whites to commit individual acts of interracial violence. They are up to 250 times more likely than whites to engage in multiple-offender or group interracial violence.

4. There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime. Fifty-six percent of violent crimes committed by blacks have white victims. Only two to three percent of violent crimes committed by whites have black victims.

5. Blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes.

*Sources

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Crime in the United States

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal Victimization

Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice

Federal Bureau of Investigation, Hate Crime Statistics
 

QueBert

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Not saying the punch was justified, it wasn't. But I bet prior to what we see on the video the guy waving the flag was doing more than just waving it around peacefully. I know a few people around here who proudly display the flag. And they're racist pieces of shit who don't have any problem what so even proclaiming their racism. That doesn't make the punch okay, but 99% this guy was provoking shit. Sad part is I bet he learned absolutely nothing here.
 

Phoenix86

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Not saying the punch was justified, it wasn't. But...

So you're not going to justify it, then you do.

You know what? You're probably right. He probably did do and say things that justified it. Now if he was simply standing there with a flag and sign "Southern Pride" or something not completely racist, sure he didn't deserve a thing.

I just want to point out that you are racially profiling the white guy.
 

QueBert

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So you're not going to justify it, then you do.

You know what? You're probably right. He probably did do and say things that justified it. Now if he was simply standing there with a flag and sign "Southern Pride" or something not completely racist, sure he didn't deserve a thing.

I just want to point out that you are racially profiling the white guy.

Nope, I'm racially profiling a guy waving a confederate flag around a group of black people. Don't really have to do any profiling to know what kind of person he is. And I didn't justify it, I said it wasn't right, but at the same time the flag waving idiot had to know what could happen in that situation. 2 wrongs don't make a right, but I can't feel much sympathy for him since he went out of his way to stir up shit.
 

edro

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I wish more people would attack the Westboro Baptist Church during their events.

Ask for trouble, get trouble. Congrats.
 

DAGTA

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I'm going to change the meaning of the nazi flag to mean love for jews!

We'll see how well that goes.

That is EXACTLY what the Nazis did. They took an ancient symbol long used for prosperity and put it on their flag. Now people associate that symbol with Nazis and tend to think of it as evil.
 

JulesMaximus

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That is EXACTLY what the Nazis did. They took an ancient symbol long used for prosperity and put it on their flag. Now people associate that symbol with Nazis and tend to think of it as evil.

And then they proceeded to commit horrific atrocities against millions of Jewish people in the name of that flag and the regime it represented.

No shit they associate it with evil... and rightly so.
 

edro

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That is EXACTLY what the Nazis did. They took an ancient symbol long used for prosperity and put it on their flag. Now people associate that symbol with Nazis and tend to think of it as evil.
Meanings change.
When you start a world war and wipe out a tens of millions of people, the symbol tends to take on a new meaning.

The Confederate Flag's meaning has shifted.
 

HomerJS

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Yep, not smart at all. Especially considering the fact that blacks are committing 90% of interracial crime in the United States. I wouldn't be tempting the statistics if I were him, just let them kill each other (and not you), it's not worth it to provoke the issue.

Lack of link(s) for those leads me to believe you made this shit up.

Example form you own quote
5. Blacks are twice as likely to commit hate crimes.

So I went to the FBI website to verify and found from 2013 hate crime stats...
Of the reported 3,407 single-bias hate crime offenses that were racially motivated, 66.4 were motivated by anti-black or African-American bias, and 21.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/december/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released
 

Phoenix86

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May 21, 2003
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The Confederate Flag's meaning has shifted.

:thumbsup:

And really it's not a massive shift, it's not like the south was fighting for equal protection and shit. However, it did shift. If Southern Pride and maintaining history was important to the south, they shouldn't have let groups like the KKK own it. But let's not kid ourselves, the KKK came from the south, they could have stopped it's use if they wanted to.