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Condoleezza Rice presenting her case
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Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Thanks for the oath update. I was being quite serious when I said I was not certain about it. You do make an assumption that "details will be released" One of the problems of private testimonies is that it often includes material classified by the Executive branch, therefore the details will be whatever they choose to release. In public proceedings we do not have the filtering of testimony.
I cannot speak for others, but personally I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to the administration, and would have to be convinced otherwise. That does not mean I rule anything out or in. It does make me suspicious when people in any administration act as if they have something to hide. Be out with it, then we can move on. THis 9/11 incident is a festering wound, and the sooner we can treat it, the better off we will be.
Chadder007
Diamond Member
BWUAHAHAH... .Condi blew the dems away.
Chadder007
Diamond Member
Mentioning a name != taking action.
9/11 had to happen. If we had killed Bin Laden when we had the chance years ago there would have been just as much controvery. The US can't just go around assasinating people it deems as a threat.
If we had thwarted the plans of the hijackers people would be saying that it was based on faulty intelligence and the current administration would be accused of exxggerating the dangers. People would also say the hijackers were being held without cause due to the lack of intelligence on the matter.
If we would have shot the planes out of the sky the government would have been accused of killing Americans based on sketchy intelligence.
Its sad to say but it had to happen. It is a reality check.
If we had thwarted the plans of the hijackers people would be saying that it was based on faulty intelligence and the current administration would be accused of exxggerating the dangers. People would also say the hijackers were being held without cause due to the lack of intelligence on the matter.
If we would have shot the planes out of the sky the government would have been accused of killing Americans based on sketchy intelligence.
Its sad to say but it had to happen. It is a reality check.
KarenMarie
Elite Member
the dems want to make the current admin look bad and the current admin wants to say they did all they could. end of story.
what does jump up about all of this is the dems attempt to make it look like rice has something to hide. rice testified in private, numerous times, yet the dems wanted more. while bush was trying to hammer out the details to protect exec privilege, they accused her of having something to hide. The dems tried to accuse her of that, time and again while bush was working on the promise that this would not be used as precedent. the dems pulled obscure parts of classified documents for ther to answer and when she tried to answer but not reveal too much from a classified document, they pressed her to declassify it. While this may seem like a good idea, it starts a slippery slope on all future classified info and there is a real threat to the relationship between the president and his advisors.
the dems were petty and tacky and the repubs treated her with kid gloves and candy canes. nothing new there.
what does strike me, however, is that on all the mainstream new channels .... they all talk about Richard Clarke making accusations against this admin, yet none of them mention that he did it just as he released his book. nor do they mention the interviews, documents, letters written by Clarke that are the exact opposite of what he is claiming now.
All in all this entire commission falls right along party lines.
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edit: my spelling was atrocious!
what does jump up about all of this is the dems attempt to make it look like rice has something to hide. rice testified in private, numerous times, yet the dems wanted more. while bush was trying to hammer out the details to protect exec privilege, they accused her of having something to hide. The dems tried to accuse her of that, time and again while bush was working on the promise that this would not be used as precedent. the dems pulled obscure parts of classified documents for ther to answer and when she tried to answer but not reveal too much from a classified document, they pressed her to declassify it. While this may seem like a good idea, it starts a slippery slope on all future classified info and there is a real threat to the relationship between the president and his advisors.
the dems were petty and tacky and the repubs treated her with kid gloves and candy canes. nothing new there.
what does strike me, however, is that on all the mainstream new channels .... they all talk about Richard Clarke making accusations against this admin, yet none of them mention that he did it just as he released his book. nor do they mention the interviews, documents, letters written by Clarke that are the exact opposite of what he is claiming now.
All in all this entire commission falls right along party lines.
🙂
edit: my spelling was atrocious!
NogginBoink
Diamond Member
I heard something like that, too. Apparently al-Qaida was mentioned zero times in the document. Lemme see if I can find it...
This is all I could find, but I think it's about the documents we mean to be talking about: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040407-111334-9689r.htm
Pretty damning for democrats who think this is all Bush's fault.
Warthog912
Golden Member
I wish I had something more intelligent to say, but everything has already been said.
That being said, I watched/listened to the whole deal on cnn and I believe that she answered the questions to the best of her ability without releasing/declassifying any material that she was told not to (with regards to national security). The panel was in a "declassifying mood" and just letting sh!t that shouldn't probably shouldn't have been said on national tv out. I think they should let the highly intelligent lady answer the questions, instead of asking a question and then thwarting her with bull before she could get the answer out. They treated her with little to no respect at all.
That being said, I watched/listened to the whole deal on cnn and I believe that she answered the questions to the best of her ability without releasing/declassifying any material that she was told not to (with regards to national security). The panel was in a "declassifying mood" and just letting sh!t that shouldn't probably shouldn't have been said on national tv out. I think they should let the highly intelligent lady answer the questions, instead of asking a question and then thwarting her with bull before she could get the answer out. They treated her with little to no respect at all.
On the contrary, Rice's testimony was a model of non-partisan professionalism, as was George Tenet's, in stark contrast to Clark's reprehensible partisan hand-wringing and thinly-veiled appeal to populism.
Although Clark couldn't seem to find a single critical paragraph, sentence, or word for the Clinton Administration in either his testimony or book, the 911 Commission will not be so kind in its final report.
phantom309
Platinum Member
When he did attempt to take action, the Republicans immediately accused him of a "Wag the Dog" scenario - an attempt to draw attention away from the staggeringly important Monica Lewinski affair.
KarenMarie
Elite Member
When clarke first came out with the BUSH DID NOTHING, CLINTON IS GREAT mantra, Jim Angle from FoxNews came out with a taped interview that he had of clarke saying the exact opposite. And clarke went on and on about how Bush got into office and immediately started making huge changes and getting the the core of the problems.
Kerry (the commission one, not the dem hopeful) scolded FoxNews for broadcasting it and said they should have kept it quiet! Ha! Clarke said of the interview (and the wonderful letter of resignation he gave Bush, and memos to condi), that he was lying at the time.
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