Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.
We already are talking about what Obama and his adminstration are doing . You're just pissed because, at least so far, most of what they ARE doing is having a positive effect, and what he AREN'T doing is committing treason, murder, torture or other war crimes.
It's far too late for your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang to un-commit the crimes they commited, and they no longer have control of the machine that kept much of the evidence hidden. Their crimes will NOT go away until they are tried in public court of law.
A couple of other things Obama is doing well include leaving the decision whether and for what crimes to prosecute them for their crimes and avoiding saying anything from his position as President that could later be construed as prejudicial to the case against them.
I know it's not within your skill set, but they seem to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.
PROOF of Bush's crimes or you are a
LIAR.
No, it is you who is both a lair and a fool. You keep posting that same dumbass reply, again and again, and you're' too easy to refute with one or more of my "macros" listing their crimes, including names, dates and facts. Sadly, you're too stupid to remember the answers, let alone how to use the forum search engine so here's just a couple of the charges. :roll:
MURDER
Under Federal and most state statutes, one definition of murder is committing an act in callous, reckless or wanton disregard or depraved indifference for the safety of others that, in fact, causes the death of another. One foreseeable consequence of war is death... in fact, many deaths. As of 5/2/09, 4,284 American troops (and growing) and left tens of thousands more wounded, scarred and disabled for life in the war of LIES started by your EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal in Iraq.
All of those American casualties did not occur in one cataclysmic event. They happened over the years we since the Bushwhackos started their illegal war. If you question whether their actions constitute callous, reckless or wanton disregard or depraved indifference for the safety of others, it begs the question of how many times, and over what period, can one consider excusing those ongoing, repeated acts that continue to raise the number of dead and wounded Americans on a daily basis. At what point does it shock the conscience sufficiently to cross the threshold from being 4,124 cases of mere
negligent homicide, which is another criminal offense? :shocked:
The charge of murder would also be supported under the "felony-murder" rule. In case you didn't know it,
LYING TO CONGRESS[/b] is a felony even if it is not done under oath. There is no question that the Bushwhackos lied to Congress and to the American people to gain support for his plans to invade Iraq. If you challenge that, I'll be glad to repost another "macro" the size of Montana documenting their lies, including names, dates and quotes.
Under 18 USC 1001, lying to Congress,
lying to Congress is a felony, regardless of whether or not the lie(s) were made under oath.
- United States Code
[*]TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
[*]PART I - CRIMES
[*]CHAPTER 47 - FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS
U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 1001. Statements or entries generally
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or
judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully -
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.
(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to -
(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or
(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.
Contemporary cases in most jurisdictions have limited the rule by requiring that the felony must be a dangerous one or that the killing is foreseeable, or both. As with the first example, death is a foreseeable consequense of the dangerous act of starting a war.
If you AGAIN want to challenge whether the Bushwhackos lied to Congress, I'll refer you to the lists I've been posting for years
in threads like this one. mac see my macros in year. I've got more if you need 'em.
TORTURE
I'm not going to repost all of the text and links to all of the documentation and all of the legal authorities listed in
this thread, or
this one or
this one or any of the others with the same information proving that your EX-Traitor In Cheif and his criminal gang directed the CIA to commit
TORTURE in violation of U.S. and international laws. You repeatedly lied and denied the evidence in those threads. I have no doubt that's what you'll do, here. :thumbsdown:
I like though how you spin Obama's lack of comments on these crimes as a positive thing.
As President, Obama's in a unique position that precludes him from taking a declarative stance regarding any prosecutions of the Bush admin. If he states the obvious before it runs through the legal system, right wingnuts like you would attack him for abusing his office to speak to an issue that has not yet been adjudicated in the courts.be all over him for injecting bias into the justicial process.
He has already stated that torture is illegal, which is a fact, and that he believes waterboarding constitutes torture, which is the position of every respected legal authority with respect to both U.S. and international law. Beyond that, it's illegal for the White House to have more than very limited contact with the DOJ about matters of business in the DOJ's domain. In fact, that's one of the other areas of possible criminal charges involving Bush, Gonzales, Rove, etc.
In other words, you're demanding that Obama should commit another of the same crimes committed by your EX-Traitor In Cheif and his criminal gang. :roll:
He wont' comment on them because he is likely doing a lot of the same things Bush did, and he wants to continue doing them. If Bush were to be tried, so would he.
< Fear No Evil voice >
PROOF of Obama's crimes or you are a
LIAR.
< /Fear No Evil voice >
:laugh:
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