Condi Rice lies about torture and may have admitted to a crime in front of Stanford students

[Phokus]

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2009/05/hbc-90004883

1st video up top is the interview. 2nd video down below gives us some analysis by Richard Nixon's counsel John Dean. In between, we have some analysis of some of the lies she spewed by scott horton.

What i find telling about the condi video is that she is VERY aggressive and agitated at the questioning, which was asked in a very respectful way. I think it shows a guilty conscience and shows that she is damned scared about what may happen if any prosecutions start proceeding. That, plus the fact that she lied multiple times does not bode well for her.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Condi should have kept her yapper shut. Her handler tried to move her around 3:20 but she had to *finish*, copped a 'tude and started waving that finger around.

That ""do your homework"" 'authoritarian' comment was way outa line, too. She was most definitely playing fast and loose with the facts and trying to intimidate that guy.

I used to think that she was a pawn in the machine (albeit an obfuscating long-winded bag of gas) and was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt - but after seeing that video I'm left to think she was marching in lock-step with the 'Crime Cabal' .....

 

[Lemon law]

Condi Rice was thick as thieves with the Cheney Rumsfeld cabal and had a principle role in lying our way into a disastrous war in Iraq.

If the USA or the international comm unity does opt to put some of our international war criminals on trial, Condi Rice would be very high up on my list of people that should spend the rest of their lives in jail.

If I were Condi Rice right now, I would be peeing my pants over being jailed. And very ashamed of what was accomplished, she should have stuck to the piano.

 

[theflyingpig]

Nothing will come of this. People in power will ignore it. Everyone knows this.

 

[Pens1566]

"It's not illegal because the president says so" .... yeah, ok ghost of Nixon.

 

[Lemon law]

If the USA does nothing, I would not be surprised if some international courts start issuing indictments targeting Condi Rice among others. The USA may try to ignore them, but when certain US policies are held hostage by honoring them, the choice may not be as easy as the theflyingpig thinks.

What was unthinkable a year ago has already changed, and we do not even know a small fraction of all the mischief Condi was up yo YET.

The truth is going to come up, its still a trickle now, but its going to get much uglier in the next six months or so. And much much uglier six months after that.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Nothing will come of this. People in power will ignore it. Everyone knows this.

Only if you are the only one in the group labelled "everyone."

 

[Red Dawn]

Condi's a brilliant mind and under the proper circumstances she would have been a real asset to this country. Unfortunately she got mixed up with Bush, Cheney, Turd Blossom and Rummy.

 

[wwswimming]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Condi Rice was thick as thieves with the Cheney Rumsfeld cabal and had a principle role in lying our way into a disastrous war in Iraq.

If the USA or the international comm unity does opt to put some of our international war criminals on trial, Condi Rice would be very high up on my list of people that should spend the rest of their lives in jail.

If I were Condi Rice right now, I would be peeing my pants over being jailed. And very ashamed of what was accomplished, she should have stuck to the piano.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Condi's a brilliant mind and under the proper circumstances she would have been a real asset to this country. Unfortunately she got mixed up with Bush, Cheney, Turd Blossom and Rummy.

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While I have to admit Condi has a brilliant mind, she was still stupid to embrace morally bankrupt as the price of power. In the end, the fault is still on Rice.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If you notice, about halfway through the video, a handler tries to shut down the dialogue, but Condi allows the student to finish his statement.

Some of you complain about the so called "right wing" talking points, but this student threw a few anti-Bush allegations from the left wing script, with nothing to back them up...Condi chose not to dodge them, but rather addressed the student's questions.

What i find telling about the condi video is that she is VERY aggressive and agitated at the questioning, which was asked in a very respectful way. I think it shows a guilty conscience and shows that she is damned scared about what may happen if any prosecutions start proceeding. That, plus the fact that she lied multiple times does not bode well for her.

Interesting how both sides will perceive this video...I thought Condi remained composed and professional, and it was the student who showed disrespect by interrupting her mid sentence, and became obviously agitated that Condi asserted control of the discussion.

Notice the other students in the room...everyone stopped their respective conversations and listened to what was being said, but no one else chose to engage.

And what exactly did she lie about? Her comments are consistent with everything we know thus far.

It is unfortunate that Powell and Condi were tainted by the Bush Administration...they are both quite capable.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Condi's a brilliant mind and under the proper circumstances she would have been a real asset to this country. Unfortunately she got mixed up with Bush, Cheney, Turd Blossom and Rummy.

I don't believe that. I think she was an affirmative action appointee. A woman and a minority- Republican, who rare is that? Clarence Thomas in a dress.

She may have been smart, but she was focused on Iraq like the rest of the neocons, and ignored the real threat of terrorism she was warned specifically about. Complete failure.

 

[Lemon law]

Condi Rice was simply a lying sack of shit.

We have to remember it was she who said " those aluminum tubes could only be used for a nuclear weapons development. Something the CIA had long ago discarded as an explanation, they were in fact used for barrage rockets applications, as the Iraqi occupation later conformed.

Credit someone in the CIA code named Joe who knew a thing or two about high speed centrifuge design to say those tubes had certain resemblances to other centrifuge designs, but it simply did not fit the facts because the tubes were analogized and the wall thicknesses were all wrong.

Something long before known, and known well before before Condi said they could ONLY be used in a nuclear program.

Condi Rice is and remains a lying sack of shit. She had to know she was telling a bald faced lie when she said it, but there is no denying the fact that she told the lie to all the American people on numerous tape recorded news programs.

 

[NoStateofMind]

What? Did I hear that wrong? It's legal if the president says so? Did I miss the part about a democratic society where kings were elected?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Nothing will come of this. People in power will ignore it. Everyone knows this.

Only if you are the only one in the group labelled "everyone."

Let's hope they don't ignore it, but I'm willing to bet you a shiny nickle nothing is done in the way of bringing them (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld & company) up on charges of torture. Obama can make statements which bring about a trial, or start a committee to investigate possible crimes committed by the Bush administration. But they won't. Bet?

 

[microbial]

Establish a special commission investigation (perhaps made up of former Supreme Court Judges). Totally independent of congress...with full powers to prosecute if warranted.

Our country can only benefit from a full accounting of the truth and the rule of law.

 

[Harvey]

Keith Olbermann and John Dean shed some light on Condoleeza's admissions.

She may have publicly admitted she part of the conspiracy to torture.

She "didn't authorize anything." She "conveyed the authorization of administration to the agency (CIA)."

She spewed the Nixon defense that it was legal because the President said it was legal.

 

[Fear No Evil]

At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

But, this is typical for the Democrat Party.. destroy any opposition.. especially if they are black and a woman.. then DOUBLE destroy them.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

But, this is typical for the Democrat Party.. destroy any opposition.. especially if they are black and a woman.. then DOUBLE destroy them.

Your partisan politics are exactly why no one takes your argument seriously.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

We already are talking about what Obama and his adminstration are doing. You're just pissed because, at least so far, most of what they ARE doing is having a positive effect, and what he AREN'T doing is committing treason, murder, torture or other war crimes.

It's far too late for your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang to un-commit the crimes they commited, and they no longer have control of the machine that kept much of the evidence hidden. Their crimes will NOT go away until they are tried in public court of law.

A couple of other things Obama is doing well include leaving the decision whether and for what crimes to prosecute them for their crimes and avoiding saying anything from his position as President that could later be construed as prejudicial to the case against them.

I know it's not within your skill set, but they seem to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

But, this is typical for the Democrat Party.. destroy any opposition.. especially if they are black and a woman.. then DOUBLE destroy them.

Hmmm, yes, trying to prosecute a president for a blowjob isn't trying to 'destroy' them, but trying to prosecute a war criminal for torture is trying to 'destroy' them.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY, republicans have jumped the shark yet again.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Hmmm, yes, trying to prosecute a president for a blowjob isn't trying to 'destroy' them, but trying to prosecute a war criminal for torture is trying to 'destroy' them.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY, republicans have jumped the shark yet again.

He wasn't prosecuted for a blow job, he was prosecuted for lying under oath a crime which has sent quite a few people to jail.

If he had been Bill Clinton CEO instead of President Clinton there is a good chance he would have found himself in jail on a contempt charge.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

But, this is typical for the Democrat Party.. destroy any opposition.. especially if they are black and a woman.. then DOUBLE destroy them.

Hmmm, yes, trying to prosecute a president for a blowjob isn't trying to 'destroy' them, but trying to prosecute a war criminal for torture is trying to 'destroy' them.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY, republicans have jumped the shark yet again.

Sorry he was tried for lying under oath.. MUCH different. Try again though.. you might come up with something that makes sense.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

At what point do you guys start talking about your own Administration? Besides the fact that its doing many of the same things Bush's did.. its not 100 days in and you still can't stop talking about the previous one.

We already are talking about what Obama and his adminstration are doing . You're just pissed because, at least so far, most of what they ARE doing is having a positive effect, and what he AREN'T doing is committing treason, murder, torture or other war crimes.

It's far too late for your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang to un-commit the crimes they commited, and they no longer have control of the machine that kept much of the evidence hidden. Their crimes will NOT go away until they are tried in public court of law.

A couple of other things Obama is doing well include leaving the decision whether and for what crimes to prosecute them for their crimes and avoiding saying anything from his position as President that could later be construed as prejudicial to the case against them.

I know it's not within your skill set, but they seem to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

PROOF of Bush's crimes or you are a LIAR.

I like though how you spin Obama's lack of comments on these crimes as a positive thing. He wont' comment on them because he is likely doing a lot of the same things Bush did, and he wants to continue doing them. If Bush were to be tried, so would he.

And what are the positive things you refer to? The massively inflating debt, budget, and bailouts? The FAILED bailouts of the auto industry? Apologizing to the world? (I guess thats a positive to YOU.) Bowing to foreign kings? A stock market that is completely stagnant still.. Job loss all over.. (Oh wait, he saved 2 million jobs before we lost 10).. The SAME Iraq and Afghanistan policy as the Bush Administration?

Where's the PROOF of anything positive from this President other than you getting a woodie every time he speaks?

 

[Double Trouble]

I've always been very critical of some of the "the end justifies the means" mentality of the previous admin, but I'd be very very surprised if anything significant actually comes of it for the top officials. Not because they didn't do anything wrong, but because every administration knows that if you go after the previous admin, you're opening the door for people to come after you when you leave office. That's why in the past administrations have never really gone after the "big fish" from the previous admin, they've been content to go after the little ones. I expect to see the same thing happen -- some of the small fish will get nailed, but you will NEVER see anything significant happen to Bush, Cheney, Rove, Condi, Rummy etc.