Condi gives thumbs up to Bush's Statesmanship

[Bowmaster]

With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

 

[Red Dawn]

She's actually giving herself high marks because what he does is what she tells him to do.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

:roll:

You really need to give it a rest.

 

[Fencer128]

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

Hi,

Well, I don't know about everything else - but I really don't see the statement in bold happening now or in 4 years time. I see no precedent or evidence to suggest that this will happen in Iraq anytime soon (and by soon I mean in the next decade or so). In fact, everything I can see points to either another dictatorship coming about, a theocracy or a civil war/division - maybe some combination of the above.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

:roll:

You really need to give it a rest.

Actually that was a fairly thoughtful reply. I don't believe that the success of the Iraq situation will depend on whether Bush is re-elected as I see Kerry as a pragmatist who realizes that now that we've jumped the shark we need to do what we can to salvage this situation.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Fencer128

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

Hi,

Well, I don't know about everything else - but I really don't see the statement in bold happening now or in 4 years time. I see no precedent or evidence to suggest that this will happen in Iraq anytime soon (and by soon I mean in the next decade or so). In fact, everything I can see points to either another dictatorship coming about, a theocracy or a civil war/division - maybe some combination of the above.

Cheers,

Andy

Yeah, no way in 4 years. More like decades to come, like in 50 years. But 4 years is enough time to turn it around and make more progress in Iraq. Progress is made everyday. Look, the CPA is dissolved and top cleric Al-Sistani gives approval to the new interim govt. This is a MAJOR boost to the new Iraq. Progress is being made and its going to take time. :thumbsup:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Something quite different, I'd venture to guess. Scty Powell has been fairly obviously bristling under President Bush for quite some time, and he can't be happy with the credibility hit he took by being appointed to drag the whole WMD dog-and-pony show before the UN.

If Scty Powell felt President Bush were one of history's great statesmen, he presumably would not have been saying that he doesn't plan on serving a second term since the fall of 2002. Powell has never seemed comfortable in his job, and frankly I think his public image has taken such a beating over the last two years or so that I imagine he rues the day he accepted the job. He was once one of the most admired men in America, and now he looks like a shill - 'tis a shame.

 

[Fencer128]

Hi,

Well, I don't know about everything else - but I really don't see the statement in bold happening now or in 4 years time. I see no precedent or evidence to suggest that this will happen in Iraq anytime soon (and by soon I mean in the next decade or so). In fact, everything I can see points to either another dictatorship coming about, a theocracy or a civil war/division - maybe some combination of the above.

Cheers,

Andy

Yeah, no way in 4 years. More like decades to come, like in 50 years. But 4 years is enough time to turn it around and make more progress in Iraq. Progress is made everyday. Look, the CPA is dissolved and top cleric Al-Sistani gives approval to the new interim govt. This is a MAJOR boost to the new Iraq. Progress is being made and its going to take time. :thumbsup:

Hi,

Well the I guess it comes down to how you perceive Iraq to be progressing. Around here there seem to be roughly 2 camps. The "media lies and exaggerates" camp and the "listen to this guy who's serving and says something else" camp. I'm sure the "truth" lies somewhere in between. First hand evidence is hard to come by (since most of us haven't visited recently!) so I can only go on the heresay mentioned around here, newspapers, etc. I have so say - on balance - I'm more pessimistic than optimistic right now.

Cheers,

Andy

 

[GrGr]

Heh.

To quote Robert Fisk from the interview thread:

"It?s easy for governments to say ?yes we are fighting the war on terror?. Bush said at one point that it might be unending. This is preposterous. They all make out like it?s the Second World War. Nassar was the Mussilini of Cairo, Saddam was the Hitler of Baghdad, and Blair is Churchill. This is ridiculous, it is not the Second World War. Governments and news agencies are trying to frighten people it is not World War Three. We shouldn?t allow people to say that 9/11 changed the world, it has not.

So now Bush is Roosevelt.

:laugh:

 

[Bowmaster]

But 4 years is enough time to turn it around and make more progress in Iraq. Progress is made everyday. Look, the CPA is dissolved and top cleric Al-Sistani gives approval to the new interim govt.

4 years x 50 is more like it. Of course Al-Sistani approves of the new interim govt - it is NOT the one we wanted, and will try to get back to a Theocracy as fast as possible. There goes the democracy.

I firmly believe our only hope is in getting Iran to change from the inside - get the kids on the internet and get some technical knowledge, instead of trying to put a bullet in their head to make them change.

 

[DealMonkey]

This administration seems eerily obsessed with how history will view their actions. Presupposing how history will judge you seems a bit on the egomaniacal side to me. Frankly, the administration would be better served focusing on the here and now and forgetting for the moment about their legacies and larger-than-life comparisons to historical figures.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

To turn what thing around? hmmmm?

 

[gcy]

I just wonder how many sevicemen will have to die to make Bush a great man.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Bowmaster, You should work on more provocative thread titles, you know, the ones some members here are famous for?

"Condi gives thumbs up to Bush" is a far more "must click" title :laugh:

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

I agree. Bush will be remembered as a petulant recovering alcoholic (Churchill) and for saddling future American generations with incredible debt (FDR).

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

Should it really count if you can't pronouce Roosevelt and Churchill ??

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

:roll:

You really need to give it a rest.

Libs need to give the 'All conservatives are trolls' line a rest..

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

I agree. Bush will be remembered as a petulant recovering alcoholic (Churchill) and for saddling future American generations with incredible debt (FDR).

LOL - in all fairness, I don't think Churchill was making many efforts to reform his alcoholism (unless he was enrolled in the Hair Of the Dog Rehab Program).

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Bowmaster
With Condi's track record, she is the LAST person who should be passing judgements on her boss' statesmanship. I wonder what Powell (someone who I actually RESPECT) thinks...

Bush will rank high, Rice says

Security chief believes he will be compared with Roosevelt and Churchill

By Bob Deans, Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- As President Bush begins a week of foreign diplomacy, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insists that he will one day rank alongside such towering pillars of 20th century statecraft as President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
"Statesmanship has to be judged first and foremost by whether you recognize historic opportunities and seize them," Rice said in an interview with Cox Newspapers.

Tri-valley Herald Online

I agree. 50 years from now, Bush will be compared to Churchill and FDR. Iraq will be a democratic beckon of the Middle East. That is if he is allowed 4 more years to turn this thing around. Nothing is easy at first, but over time, this CAN work out. If Kerry wins, it will be a shame on GW and he will go down as a failure.

BUSH/CHENEY 2004!

:roll:

You really need to give it a rest.

Libs need to give the 'All conservatives are trolls' line a rest..

Wow Crimson, yet again pot calling kettle black. How many times have you called libs trolls? And are you EVER going to actually contribute to a thread, or are you just going to poke your head in with your absurdly stupid statements? I would guess no, since you don't seem to have a brain cell to your name.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Libs need to give the 'All conservatives are trolls' line a rest..

I tend to agree, but it seems to me you are fanning the flames yourself with the use of the word "libs," and the categorical assertion that ALL liberals beat this particular drum.

Unfortunately, it's hard to seriously argue that some conservative posters here (Passions and Edge3D are the most glaring examples) are not trolls, since the overwhelming majority of their posts are silly, petty efforts to aggravate people on the other side of the political spectrum.

All this brand of trolling does is create chaff that makes it hard to winnow out actual, reasoned points. 'Tis a shame.

 

[chess9]

No telling what future historians will have to say about Bush. You never know what will happen in Iraq. It could become a BEACON (the new spelling champ didn't come from this bunch) of democracy, leading the way for the autocratic regimes of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, and Israel.

But, if I was forced to bet I'd bet Bush will be widely considered by historians as having been a very weak leader with limited skills. He certainly doesn't have Clinton's intellect, Reagan's charm, or Roosevelt's political savvy. He'll be the Rodney Dangerfield of Presidents, and for many good reasons.

-Robert

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

I agree. Bush will be remembered as a petulant recovering alcoholic (Churchill) and for saddling future American generations with incredible debt (FDR).

LOL - in all fairness, I don't think Churchill was making many efforts to reform his alcoholism (unless he was enrolled in the Hair Of the Dog Rehab Program).

Admittedly, it does appear Bush (to his credit) has kicked the habit so comparing him to Churchill is specious at best. I stand by the FDR comparison, though. When it comes to intergenerational transfers of wealth, Bush is doing his best to pass the buck well into the future.

 

[GrGr]

You can add giving Nixon a match for neuroticism and LBJ for saddling the US with a needless war.

 

[Perknose]

The only things separating George Bush from Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt are depth, erudition, wisdom, vision, intellect, statesmanship, and oratorical skills.

Other than that, it's a wash . . . except for the sorry record of Bush's administration.

George Bush is Warren Gamaliel Harding without the charisma or moral fiber, Calvin Coolidge without the easy wit and charm, Richard Nixon without the frank honesty.

Condi Rice is blind to her pretend husband's faults.