Concerns about Fiance/ Marriage Visa Process in wake of So. Cal Terrorist Attack

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-killing-spurs-concerns-fiance-visa-program-35594617

The woman who carried out the San Bernardino massacre with her husband came to the U.S. last year on a special visa for fiances of U.S. citizens, raising questions about whether the process can adequately vet people who may sympathize with terrorist groups.

Authorities said Friday that Pakistani citizen Tashfeen Malik, 29, pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group and its leader under an alias account on Facebook just moments before she and her husband, Syed Farook, opened fire on a holiday banquet for his co-workers, killing 14. They later died in a gunbattle with police Wednesday.

Malik, who had been living in Pakistan and visiting family in Saudi Arabia, had passed several government background checks and entered the U.S. in July 2014 on a K-1 visa, which allowed her to travel to the U.S. and get married within 90 days of arrival.

Malik was subjected to a vetting process the U.S. government describes as vigorous — including in-person interviews, fingerprints, checks against U.S. terrorists watch lists and reviews of her family members, travel history and places where she lived and worked. The process was began when she applied for a visa to move to the United States and marry Farook, a 28-year-old Pakistani-American restaurant health inspector for the county who was raised in Southern California.

Foreigners applying from countries recognized as home to Islamic extremists, such as Pakistan, undergo additional scrutiny before the State Department and Homeland Security Department approve permission for a K-1 visa.

It was not immediately clear what information Malik provided as a part of the background check by the State Department and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services or when she became radicalized.

"This is not a visa that someone would use because it is easy to get into the US, because there are more background checks on this type of visa than just about anything else," said Palma Yanni, a Washington-based attorney who has processed dozens of K-1 visas. "But fingerprints and biometrics and names aren't going to tell you what is in somebody's head unless they somewhere have taken some action."

The government's apparent failure to detect Malik's alleged sympathies before the shootings will likely have implications on the debate over the Obama administration's plans to accept Syrian refugees. Attorneys representing Farook's family deny that he or his wife had extremist views.

On Friday, ABC News reported that the address in her Pakistani hometown that Malik listed on her visa application does not exist. In response to a question about the ABC report, State Department spokesman Mark Toner said: "We are actively reviewing all of the information provided in the visa application and sharing it with our interagency partners as it relates to the investigation."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/li...-marriage-isis-al-qaida/2015/12/04/id/704610/

The shootings in San Bernardino not only point to terrorism, GOP presidential candidate Sen. Lindsey Graham said Friday, but to fears that al-Qaida or ISIS could be arranging marriages to send terrorists into the United States.

"For about a year now, people have been telling me one way to penetrate America is to do arranged marriages," the South Carolina Republican told reporter Andrea Mitchell on her noon MSNBC program. "You find somebody in the United States you can convert, and take a terrorist sympathizer and basically an al-Qaida/ISIL arranged marriage, and this may be one of the first ones we've seen."

I think this is a legitimate concern for America's safety and it's being noticed by security officials. It's worth looking at and scrutinizing along with the Visa Waiver Program..

What do you think?
 
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JSt0rm

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what isis doesn't realize is we kill ourselves at levels they wish they could.
 

senseamp

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There is still background check, I wonder why they didn't pick up on anything.
 

Balt

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There is still background check, I wonder why they didn't pick up on anything.

It's not a background check in the sense that someone individually looks through a person's detailed life history. It's more like a database check that just automatically makes sure someone isn't on any kind of watchlist. It's a bit more complicated than that and there are exceptions, but that's the gist of it.

The check is only as good as the information in the system, and some countries are much more open than others when it comes to sharing information on their troublesome citizens.
 

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I'm about at the Boberfett level of tolerance for some of your posts.

And that is saying a lot, as Bober and I usually do not see eye to eye.

What I think is you're starting to annoy everyone.

Just my two cents.
 

Jhhnn

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What do you think?

I think Repubs want America in another pointless war as much as they want to go to Heaven, maybe more.

Anybody else remember when there was no Taliban prior to us arming, training & indoctrinating them to fight the Soviets? When Al Qaeda was just a gleam in Osama's eye, before we sullied sacred Saudi soil in GW1? Before we cut off promised aid to the Taliban govt? How there was no ISIL caliphate prior to the invasion of Iraq & destabilization of Syria?

Maybe there's some sort of cause & effect involved in all this...
 
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What's that? A liberal is worried about immigrants entering this country? Say it isn't so!

Oh god this is fucking juicy. I'm already foaming at the mouth from the hypocrisy of this liberal nutjob OP.
 

Indus

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I'm about at the Boberfett level of tolerance for some of your posts.

And that is saying a lot, as Bober and I usually do not see eye to eye.

What I think is you're starting to annoy everyone.

Just my two cents.

If you're talking about me, I didn't expect that from you. Maybe I didn't phrase my original post correctly.

I'm a liberal but I do kinda have a preserve America from foreign extremists.

I just thought about this, how did the 1993 wtc bombers/ 2001 wtc attackers, shoe bomber, underwear bomber, time square bomber and now this female terrorist in san bernadino gain access to the USA or USA bound airlines? Were they born here? No.

Can we do a bit more with than we are currently with background checks when giving visas? I think so.

That said I'm not by any means joining hands with Trump's extremism of "they have to go".

If you still think I'm annoying.. well I'm sorry to disappoint you but we just don't see eye to eye on this issue I guess.
 
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Indus

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What's that? A liberal is worried about immigrants entering this country? Say it isn't so!

Oh god this is fucking juicy. I'm already foaming at the mouth from the hypocrisy of this liberal nutjob OP.

You don't even understand being a liberal means ability to think, deduce and reason, not just spout blind hate like a parrot.

“An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. ”


― Jef Mallett

And I'm not concerned about immigrants entering this country. I'm concerned about those who want to come here for one purpose and one purpose only.. kill as many people as they can.
 
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I'm about at the Boberfett level of tolerance for some of your posts.

And that is saying a lot, as Bober and I usually do not see eye to eye.

What I think is you're starting to annoy everyone.

Just my two cents.

"starting"? Really? He was "starting" at his first post.
 
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As far as I'm concerned you usually shouldn't post at all.

Period.

But it's an open forum, ya know.

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You don't even understand being a liberal means ability to think, deduce and reason, not just spout blind hate like a parrot.

“An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it. ”


― Jef Mallett

And I'm not concerned about immigrants entering this country. I'm concerned about those who want to come here for one purpose and one purpose only.. kill as many people as they can.

It's pretty unlikely that these 2 came here with that sole thought in mind. Possible yes, but unlikely. I base that on the fact they had a 6 month old daughter, and had been here for a year.

If we ignore the fact this was a Muslim with a background that placed her geographically in two countries that are known for sourcing terrorists - Pakistan and Saudi Arabia - then what she was is a young immigrant with a degree and no criminal background who was marrying a US citizen.

Normal documented immigration with intent to become a US citizen does not bother me. In fact, I would go so far as to say it does not bother the majority of conservatives and a vast majority of independents.

What does bother me, and based on your concern about 'vetting' immigrants should bother you too, is when people can and do simply walk across the border, take a false identity, then start living and working here. "illegal" immigration by any other phrase.

Let's be real for a moment.

Why would a liberal be talking about 'screening' visas and immigrants more closely, while the left agenda largely includes and supports concepts like mass amnesty for illegals already in the country and lacks concepts like enforcing the integrity of our geographical borders?

If ISIS is truly as capable as the fearmongering media would like us to believe, you can bet they already have hundreds if not thousands of people in this country. And many of them are undocumented entirely, just like these guys that just mowed my neighbors lawn.

But personally, I don't think ISIS is as dangerous as people would have us believe. I also think Russia is going to knock them out, very simply by cutting their income and sources of weapons off.
 
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If ISIS is truly as capable as the fearmongering media would like us to believe, you can bet they already have hundreds if not thousands of people in this country. And many of them are undocumented entirely, just like these guys that just mowed my neighbors lawn.
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Shrug, I think that we should secure our borders but with that being said you know who really really doesn't want some nutcase terrorist crossing the border? Mexicans that's who because one terrorist gets across the southern border and we WILL shut that shit down. Mexicans are probably better than friggen border patrol at keeping terrorists from crossing our southern border.
 

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I think this is a legitimate concern
What is the concern? Potential arranged marriages?
The fact that people can marry folks from abroad?
The fact that people from "elswhere" can enter the US?
The fact that people in the US can marry someone abroad and "bring them here"?
The fact that folks can enter the US in general?

From that PoV, pretty much anything could be a concern.

Totally pointless "concern" because terrorists could always find some way to get in, entirely shutting off the US, closing all borders permanently and forbidding anyone entering, last time I checked, wasn't exactly realistic.
 

1prophet

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Ban all heterosexual arranged marriages, only allow gay arranged marriage partners to be allowed into the USA, you definitely don't have to worry about ISIS then.:D
 

Jaskalas

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I think Repubs want America in another pointless war as much as they want to go to Heaven, maybe more.

Anybody else remember when there was no Taliban prior to us arming, training & indoctrinating them to fight the Soviets? When Al Qaeda was just a gleam in Osama's eye, before we sullied sacred Saudi soil in GW1? Before we cut off promised aid to the Taliban govt? How there was no ISIL caliphate prior to the invasion of Iraq & destabilization of Syria?

Maybe there's some sort of cause & effect involved in all this...

Good thing your nominating Hillary to ensure this Neocon policy continues.
You wouldn't want to actually do something proper now, would you?
 
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Wait so is the fear that one US Citizen could be a Jihadi then marry an OG Jehadi from the middle east and now become two US Citizen Jehadi's?

Or

Some innocent dork orders a ISIS sponsored mail order bride then becomes radicalized?
 

Jaskalas

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Troops on the ground isn't how Clinton and Obama destroyed Libya. It's not how they acted to destroy Syria. You want to talk Neocon policy, start with your current leaders.

They're literally using terrorists like ISIS to "democratize" the Middle East in their glorious Arab Spring. Their only failure was in the Egyptian military overpowering the Muslim Brotherhood. I'm sure Huma was very disappointed in that one.
 

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Given that even western muslims number well into the double digits in sympathy of terrorism I'd say that the US needs to take an even stricter view on allowing immigration from predominantly muslim countries. Those countries hold a multitude of views antithetical to western culture and should be held under very close scrutiny.
 

Jhhnn

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Troops on the ground isn't how Clinton and Obama destroyed Libya. It's not how they acted to destroy Syria. You want to talk Neocon policy, start with your current leaders.

They're literally using terrorists like ISIS to "democratize" the Middle East in their glorious Arab Spring. Their only failure was in the Egyptian military overpowering the Muslim Brotherhood. I'm sure Huma was very disappointed in that one.

If you can't appreciate the difference between what Graham says & what Hillary says you're suffering from motivated reasoning of the "they're just as bad!" kind.

"Terrorists like ISIS"? What's that supposed to mean other than to serve as a convenient smear?

I'm pretty sure that the Egyptian military had the Obama Admin's approval for their actions prior to ousting the disastrous & inept Muslim Brotherhood govt. Policy was seamless across that event.
 

Jhhnn

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Given that even western muslims number well into the double digits in sympathy of terrorism I'd say that the US needs to take an even stricter view on allowing immigration from predominantly muslim countries. Those countries hold a multitude of views antithetical to western culture and should be held under very close scrutiny.

Given that you offer no source for that assertion I'll assume it's bullshit.